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Photo Forum / General Photo Topics / General Topics / November 2007DSLR with wide dynamic range - Fuji S5 Pro only?
Once I queried in these newsgroups about HDR feature that is directly built in a digital camera. One response indicated that HDR technique needs more computing memory and time to process, and therefore not efficient to be included as a process in the camera. Hence the availability of softwares such as Photomatix, PS CS2, etc to create such images. However, I recently heard about a Fuji Finepix S5 Pro DSLR which has became the wedding photographer's first choice camera, because of its wide dynamic range feature. I heard that you can adjust the dynamic range of the photos in 6 ranges from narrow to wide, or automatically choosing it for you. Is the technique similar to producing HDR images, and built into the camera? Or is this a different kind of dynamic range technique and images? Can anyone who own a S5 Pro share their experience here? Is Fuji S5 Pro the only one that has such a feature, or are other professional SLRs such as Nikon D1, Canon 1D or others also has such a feature? Thanks for info. > However, I recently heard about a Fuji Finepix S5 Pro DSLR which has > became the wedding photographer's first choice camera, because of its > wide dynamic range feature. I heard that you can adjust the dynamic > range of the photos in 6 ranges from narrow to wide, or automatically > choosing it for you. Is the technique similar to producing HDR images, > and built into the camera? It's built into the camera, and sort of like a 2-image HDR. Each pixel consists of two pixels, a big one and a small one, and the small one is used to for bright parts of the image that would have blown out the big pixel. This means that the big pixels are somewhat smaller than what you'd get on a generic 6MP dSLR, so there's a cost. And no one who is technically competent has analysed that cost to my satisfaction. (That I've seen.) I have seen some images that looked as though it worked, though. Note that to use it, you have to shoot in raw, and record two values for each pixel, meaning that raw files are twice as large. > Is Fuji S5 Pro the only one that has such a feature? Yes. It's unique to Fuji. They make the sensor. David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan >> However, I recently heard about a Fuji Finepix S5 Pro DSLR which has >> became the wedding photographer's first choice camera, because of its [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > David J. Littleboy > Tokyo, Japan The Fuji sensors pixels are Hexagonal and the smaller ones fit in the spacebetween the botem left and right of 2 and top left and right of the lower two http://www.ephotozine.com/article/Fuji-Super-CCD-SR--HR-FAQ-1  SignatureTrev You can always tell a Yorkshire man, But you can't tell him much. >>> However, I recently heard about a Fuji Finepix S5 Pro DSLR which has >>> became the wedding photographer's first choice camera, because of [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > The Fuji sensors pixels are Hexagonal I thought they were Octagonal. Hence the design of Fuji's SuperCCD logo. >>>> However, I recently heard about a Fuji Finepix S5 Pro DSLR which >>>> has became the wedding photographer's first choice camera, because [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > I thought they were Octagonal. > Hence the design of Fuji's SuperCCD logo. YEP thats the word shape ect Excuse me for being an Idiot. I have not used it on my 9600 yet as the interpolarated 19mb raw put me off SignatureTrev You can always tell a Yorkshire man, But you can't tell him much. >>>>> However, I recently heard about a Fuji Finepix S5 Pro DSLR which >>>>> has became the wedding photographer's first choice camera, because [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > I have not used it on my 9600 yet as the interpolarated 19mb raw put > me off I don't think I have it on my 5600. It has the SuperCCD, but I don't think it has the Wide Dynamic Range feature. The S5200 and the European 5600 both use the fifth generation CCD-HR, with the 45 degree shifted sensors. The CCD-SR II / CCD-SR Pro seperates the light sensor from the color sensor and has much wider dynamic range. http://www.ephotozine.com/article/Fuji-Super-CCD-SR--HR-FAQ-1 http://www.dpreview.com/news/0301/03012202fujisuperccdsr.asp > I don't think I have it on my 5600. > It has the SuperCCD, but I don't think it has the Wide Dynamic Range > feature. > The S5200 and the European 5600 both use the fifth generation CCD-HR, > with the 45 degree shifted sensors. The CCD-SR II / CCD-SR Pro > seperates the light sensor from the color sensor and has much wider > dynamic range. > http://www.ephotozine.com/article/Fuji-Super-CCD-SR--HR-FAQ-1 > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0301/03012202fujisuperccdsr.asp Ah, I see. So it has a wider dynamic range by default. I thought it was a setting which had to be activated. Thanks. > >>>> However, I recently heard about a Fuji Finepix S5 Pro DSLR which > >>>> has became the wedding photographer's first choice camera, because [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > YEP thats the word shape ect Excuse me for being an Idiot. > I have not used it on my 9600 yet as the interpolarated 19mb raw put me off Yes and within that 19Mb RAW file you won't get as much detail as you expect. Gimmick it is. >> However, I recently heard about a Fuji Finepix S5 Pro DSLR which has >> became the wedding photographer's first choice camera, because of its [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Yes. It's unique to Fuji. They make the sensor. If you have shutter speed bracketing, and a "main" exposure of 1/250, you should be able to get three shots (+- 1 EV) off in around 1/80 second. Post processing does the rest, expanding your potential camera candidates. BugBear > If you have shutter speed bracketing, and a "main" exposure of > 1/250, you should be able to get three shots (+- 1 EV) off in around 1/80 > second. > > Post processing does the rest, expanding your potential camera > candidates. It's a good thing big CF cards are getting cheaper<g>. But you'd only need two exposures, +1 and -1, or even +2 and -2, I'd think. The only problem would be the time to read out and reset the sensor. I'd think that'd be more like 1/10 second than the essentially zero you are figuring. This might be something for Sony's new parallel A/D converter sensor. David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan >> If you have shutter speed bracketing, and a "main" exposure of >> 1/250, you should be able to get three shots (+- 1 EV) off in around 1/80 [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > figuring. This might be something for Sony's new parallel A/D converter > sensor. A good point (sadly...) BugBear > Once I queried in these newsgroups about HDR feature that is directly > built in a digital camera. One response indicated that HDR technique [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > or are other professional SLRs such as Nikon D1, Canon 1D or others > also has such a feature? Thanks for info. This feature has it drawbacks. You will lose more detail than you will gain by using the in camera HDR feature. This camera is fundamentally flawed and isn't necessarily a good choice for weddings, write speeds is too much of an issue for any professional wedding photographer as it is too slow. Overall image quality scores average on the numerous of tests and reviews out there, get the D200 which is the same body and is cheaper, and gives better results too. On Nov 6, 1:58 am, anira...@gmail.com wrote: > Once I queried in these newsgroups about HDR feature that is directly > built in a digital camera. One response indicated that HDR technique [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > or are other professional SLRs such as Nikon D1, Canon 1D or others > also has such a feature? Thanks for info. Because the HDR process needs a LOT of user input, I just do not think it would be practical to use it IN the camera. Besides, the appearance of HDR prints is weird, very flat, and look more like a painting than a photograph. Remember, printing paper only has a dynamic range of about 50:1, or between 5 and six stops. So any image with more range than that must be either reduced in contrast or printed with either shadow or highlight details lost. HDR processing uses the former scheme, and REALLY cranks down the contrast. > On Nov 6, 1:58 am, anira...@gmail.com wrote: > > Once I queried in these newsgroups about HDR feature that is directly [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > highlight details lost. HDR processing uses the former scheme, and > REALLY cranks down the contrast. Hence the reason the S5 only scores average on image quality in most reviews. Its a gimmick which really doesn't work that well. > > On Nov 6, 1:58 am, anira...@gmail.com wrote: > > > Once I queried in these newsgroups about HDR feature that is directly [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Hence the reason theS5only scores average on image quality in most > reviews. Its a gimmick which really doesn't work that well. Someone asked about the source of my statement that Fujifilm is popular with for wedding photographer. I got the information from a recent magazine (Popular Photography & Imaging) in the newstand - 2008 Buyers guide (www.popphoto.com). There is a review article by Dan Richards about Fujifilm Pro S5. However, I also found numerous statements from camera reviews in the various websites. Here are some links: http://reviews.washingtonpost.com/product/Fuji/FinePix-S5-Pro.htm http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/content/Fujifilm-FinePix-S5-Pro-Digital-Camera- Review.htm http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews_fujifilm_s5_pro.php http://www.onlineweddings.co.uk/weddingdirectory/module/news/article.php?storyid=260 If any of the above links is broken, just google and search for "Fujifilm Pro S5 for wedding photography. Some photographers enjoy the razor sharp pictures produced by Nikon and Canon cameras and their lenses. In particular, there appears to be very strong enthusiasts and followers who believe razor sharp pictures are the best in photography. I must agree in some cases, as I like to see sharp quality images. However, perhaps sharpness may not always be a good criteria for wedding photography. Perhaps they are looking for softness and high dynamic range photos.... hence their support for the S5. Can't all wedding photographers around the world be wrong? They must have found something which is dearly missed in other professional cameras. Could the supper CCD in Fujifilm digital camera be the answer? As a follow up, I seem to notice that a number of other cameras also have (or probably already have done so for a while - I do not follow things like this frequently) similar options/settings in the camera's feature for high dynamic range images. I noticed that the Sony A-100 DSLR has the D-range optimizer function, the new Canon 40D has the Highlight Tone Priority, and the new Nikon D300 has the D-lighting extender. So, after all Fujifilm may be in the right direction after all. My original question was whether Nikon and Canon's top of the line professional cameras - the D1 and 1D have already had this feature. Perhaps someone who uses this camera can provide this info. Thanks. > Some photographers enjoy the razor sharp pictures produced by Nikon > and Canon cameras and their lenses. In particular, there appears to be [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > cameras. Could the supper CCD in Fujifilm digital camera be the > answer? Probably not. It's only a 6MP camera, and quality wedding work has traditionally been done in medium format. Even with soft focus effects, there's still a lot of underlying detail with MF that 6MP simply isn't able to capture. (6MP is a tad shy of 35mm in detail capture.) Of course, there are a lot of couples that don't understand or don't care about image quality, and there are a lot of wedding pros who use 35mm to cater to that clientelle. But if the client wants quality formals, the S5 won't hack it. Which brings up the other wedding camera: the 5D. With 8 or 9 stops* of dynamic range even at ISO 400, there really isn't a problem. And the image quality is comparable to 645. *: Count them yourself. http://www.pbase.com/davidjl/image/76131098/original http://www.pbase.com/davidjl/image/76131302/original David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan > > Some photographers enjoy the razor sharp pictures produced by Nikon > > and Canon cameras and their lenses. In particular, there appears to be [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > David J. Littleboy > Tokyo, Japan That old chessnut, you don't want sharp images, what if you DO. At least if you have sharp images you will always have sharp images and anything else in the way of effects can be done in PS. |
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