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Filters, what are the best?
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Manuel Marino - 24 Oct 2007 09:11 GMT Do you use filters? what are the best?
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Rob Morley - 24 Oct 2007 09:20 GMT > Do you use filters? Yes.
> what are the best? For what?
The One - 24 Oct 2007 13:00 GMT > > Do you use filters? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > For what? Cock!
The One - 25 Oct 2007 09:45 GMT > > Do you use filters? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > For what? Typical numbnut reply. Big headed idiot.
Rob Morley - 25 Oct 2007 11:05 GMT > > > Do you use filters? > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Typical numbnut reply. Big headed idiot. So you know what sort of camera he's using, what sort of photography he does, what sort of effects he's looking for and his budget?
The One - 25 Oct 2007 12:35 GMT > > > > Do you use filters? > > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > So you know what sort of camera he's using, what sort of photography he > does, what sort of effects he's looking for and his budget? Ask him not me.
Rob Morley - 25 Oct 2007 14:44 GMT > > > > > Do you use filters? > > > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Ask him not me. What do you think "For what?" means? Do you think at all, or just post brain-dead comments in reply to random posts?
The One - 26 Oct 2007 15:28 GMT > > > > > > Do you use filters? > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > What do you think "For what?" means? Do you think at all, or just post > brain-dead comments in reply to random posts? You no brainer reply implied arrogance. Like you are some sort of wizard or something. You are a big headed know-it-all idiot.
Rob Morley - 27 Oct 2007 06:34 GMT > You no brainer reply implied arrogance. Like you are some sort of wizard or > something. You are a big headed know-it-all idiot. You sound like a kid with an inferiority complex.
The One - 27 Oct 2007 09:43 GMT > > You no brainer reply implied arrogance. Like you are some sort of wizard or > > something. You are a big headed know-it-all idiot. > > > You sound like a kid with an inferiority complex. No, I just say it as it is.
Joel - 24 Oct 2007 09:37 GMT > Do you use filters? I don't
>what are the best? I don't think there is any "the best" but probably the most expensive one with multi-coating (my best guess).
But be aware that some can cost 1/4-1/6 of your new camera <bg>
(not quite so) Fat Sam - 24 Oct 2007 10:48 GMT >> Do you use filters? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > But be aware that some can cost 1/4-1/6 of your new camera <bg> LOL, That depends on what camera you use. There are filters on the market now which cost 2 or 3 times as much as both of my main cameras combined. I can't afford expensive cameras ;-)
Joel - 24 Oct 2007 16:56 GMT "\(not quite so\) Fat Sam" <samandjanet@knox.orangehome.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Do you use filters? > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > of my main cameras combined. > I can't afford expensive cameras ;-) In that case you are right, some of the best filter may cost 2-3+ times more than some camera itself <bg>. Or some lens-hood costs 1/3 to 1/2 of an expensive lens too. I don't remember the exact cost but somewhere in either $600 or $800+ (I posted the price here once some months ago)
The One - 24 Oct 2007 13:01 GMT > > Do you use filters? > > I don't f.cking numnut...
(not quite so) Fat Sam - 24 Oct 2007 10:30 GMT > Do you use filters? what are the best? It's a very vague question, but if you mean which are our favourites, then I'd have to declare the polariser and neutral density filters as my favourites.
Pat - 24 Oct 2007 13:08 GMT On Oct 24, 4:11 am, Manuel Marino <manuelmar...@marinosounds.com> wrote:
> Do you use filters? what are the best? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > My Weblog / Music, Arts, People, Ideas > http://www.manuelmarino.com I have a bunch of filters such as polarizing and star filters, but my favorite filter is a charcoal filter. Hook it up to your water line and it'll make almost any water taste great. I am also quite fond of the HEPA air filter inside the glove box of my van that filters all of the cabin air. At first I thought it was a pretty useless thing but then I found it does a noticeable job of keeping the dust down.
SteveB - 24 Oct 2007 15:43 GMT > Do you use filters? what are the best? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > My Weblog / Music, Arts, People, Ideas > http://www.manuelmarino.com No, I quit smoking quite a few years ago. You should too.
Steve
Mr. Strat - 24 Oct 2007 17:35 GMT > Do you use filters? what are the best? With digital, I don't use any...not even a stupid UV on the front of the lens.
Back in my film days, I sometimes used red, yellow, or green for B&W - an occasional polarizer for color. And I was also known to use a star filter or Softar on occasion. I always stayed away from the graduated filters. Fake sunsets suck.
(not quite so) Fat Sam - 24 Oct 2007 17:41 GMT >> Do you use filters? what are the best? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > filter or Softar on occasion. I always stayed away from the graduated > filters. Fake sunsets suck. I use a flat non-grad ND filter to get slow exposures during daylight. It's about the only time I use filters to be honest.
Manuel Marino - 24 Oct 2007 21:17 GMT >> Do you use filters? what are the best? > >With digital, I don't use any...not even a stupid UV on the front of >the lens. Ok, I have a Nikon D40x... you think that using filters with digitals would be useless, or you just don't care about filters?
-- Manuel Marino
My Weblog / Music, Arts, People, Ideas http://www.manuelmarino.com
Mr. Strat - 24 Oct 2007 21:37 GMT > Ok, I have a Nikon D40x... you think that using filters with digitals > would be useless, or you just don't care about filters? I have never been a fan of leaving a UV or skylight filter on all the time. The old B&W colored filters would serve no useful purpose with digital. The only filter that I can see of value would be the occasional use of a polarizer. I just haven't gotten around to buying one yet. And I hate the graduated things for making phony sunsets.
Joel - 24 Oct 2007 22:23 GMT > >> Do you use filters? what are the best? > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Ok, I have a Nikon D40x... you think that using filters with digitals > would be useless, or you just don't care about filters? You can use if you wish, and you can buy the most expensive filter to protect the cheapest lens if you feel like. So it's up to you.
*But* if you are some kind of wifelife photographer who spend lot of time in the wood, lake, or deal with lot of mud then filter may be a good choice. Not to protect your lens but easier to clean off the mud.
Ken Hart - 24 Oct 2007 23:19 GMT >>> Do you use filters? what are the best? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Ok, I have a Nikon D40x... you think that using filters with digitals > would be useless, or you just don't care about filters? Standard film-type filters only affect analog light and have no value on a digital camera, which only 'sees' the digital portion of the light spectrum. For your digital camera, you must use special digital filters to have any effect on the pictures. Check your local camera store, but be aware that many stores are having difficulty selling their old analog filters, and offer the salespeople special bonuses for pawning off the analog filters. They may tell you that there is no such thing as a digital filter, but that's only so they can move the analog ones. Insist on the digital filter version.
Hinkle - 24 Oct 2007 23:30 GMT I routinely keep a UV or Skylight filter on all of my lenses and have for the last 40+ years. I don't get the most expensive filters. When the photos count most, I remove the filters. I like what a polarizing filter does for reflections from water and other surfaces.
The best, most expert, photographers don't use filters. This tells you in which category I belong.
The One - 25 Oct 2007 12:40 GMT > I routinely keep a UV or Skylight filter on all of my lenses and have for > the last 40+ years. I don't get the most expensive filters. When the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > The best, most expert, photographers don't use filters. This tells you in > which category I belong. Expert landscape photographers swear by them. And they use the most expensive because the photos DO count. Why would they remove them to take a special photo if you don't need one at all.
For someone who claims to have been involved for 40 years+ is talking nonsense.
The One - 25 Oct 2007 12:41 GMT Fake sunsets suck.
For once I agree.
Koekje - 25 Oct 2007 12:51 GMT Mr. Strat enlightened us with:
> With digital, I don't use any...not even a stupid UV on the front of > the lens. I've seen cases where people were very happy they did have a protective filter on their lens, because it otherwise would have become a very expensive replacement.
Another reason to use filters is that your front lens element has a optically very useful coating that could rub off if you clean it often. Rubbing your lens also makes it more likely to become statically charged, attracting more dust, completing the circle.
> Back in my film days, I sometimes used red, yellow, or green for B&W > - an occasional polarizer for color. Well, you can tweak a lot on a computer, but the glare-removing effect of a polarizer can't be done after the shot has been taken.
Koekje
Mr. Strat - 25 Oct 2007 17:08 GMT > I've seen cases where people were very happy they did have a > protective filter on their lens, because it otherwise would have > become a very expensive replacement. Paying attention and having a clue go a long ways. In 41 years of doing photography, I've never scratched a lens surface.
> Another reason to use filters is that your front lens element has a > optically very useful coating that could rub off if you clean it > often. Rubbing your lens also makes it more likely to become > statically charged, attracting more dust, completing the circle. Again, no substitute for having a clue.
Joel - 25 Oct 2007 17:50 GMT > Mr. Strat enlightened us with: > > With digital, I don't use any...not even a stupid UV on the front of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > protective filter on their lens, because it otherwise would have > become a very expensive replacement. Accident can happen to anyone anything at anytime, but scratching glass is pretty rare, so breaking the glass is even rarer (it does happen but kinda rare). And I think HEARING sound more reasonal than seeing (especially seeing more than once). Cuz
- The most accident is dropping either lens only or with camera, and the chance for the GLASS to hit small sharp object head-on to break is very rare. So even with internet we can hear story from millions of people around the world, we may hear some and still pretty rare.
- Most if not all newer lens have HOOD (few doesn't come with hood and buyer will have to pay extra) which not only protect the glass from bright light, it also act as glass protection.
> Another reason to use filters is that your front lens element has a > optically very useful coating that could rub off if you clean it > often. Rubbing your lens also makes it more likely to become > statically charged, attracting more dust, completing the circle. I have never heard this story, but if you are going this route then I think it may give some reason (?).
> > Back in my film days, I sometimes used red, yellow, or green for B&W > > - an occasional polarizer for color. > > Well, you can tweak a lot on a computer, but the glare-removing effect > of a polarizer can't be done after the shot has been taken. I haven't tried to remove glare effect of polarizer to know for sure, but I sure can even remove the HEAD of some BODY and lot more like fixing glare not just on eye-glass but even the eye of some portrait.
> Koekje Frank Arthur - 24 Oct 2007 22:36 GMT Buy the most expensive B&W or Heliopan filters you can. If you spend really big bucks you are likely to show extreme care and keeping the filter scrupulously clean as you would any of the optics you use on your camera.
> Do you use filters? what are the best? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > My Weblog / Music, Arts, People, Ideas > http://www.manuelmarino.com Pat - 24 Oct 2007 22:40 GMT > Buy the most expensive B&W or Heliopan filters you can. If you spend > really big bucks you are [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > My Weblog / Music, Arts, People, Ideas > > http://www.manuelmarino.com Some are so expensive you should put a cheaper filter over them to protect the filter.
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