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Jasper - 22 Oct 2007 16:03 GMT
Hi,

I have a new website:

http://fotojasper.myphotos.cc

If you want, I'd be pleased if you give critics on photo's and layout.

Thanks in advance,

Jasper
http://fotojasper.myphotos.cc
The One - 23 Oct 2007 11:16 GMT
> Hi,
>
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> Jasper
> http://fotojasper.myphotos.cc

Hi I have a cat called Jasper and he can take better photos. Your pics are
about average for a snap shooter nothing more.
Robert Coe - 24 Oct 2007 01:50 GMT
: > Hi,
: >
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
: Hi I have a cat called Jasper and he can take better photos. Your pics are
: about average for a snap shooter nothing more.

And yours are a lot better, right? So why don't I remember seeing them?
Ah!! I know! Because I haven't even the least idea who you are. For all I
know, you could be the OP, trying to create some buzz about your pix. But if,
as seems likely, you're just another sniveling a.shole, why don't you just
mosey on?

Bob
David - 24 Oct 2007 06:21 GMT
>: > Hi,
>: >
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>: > Jasper
>: > http://fotojasper.myphotos.cc
garbage snipped

>And yours are a lot better, right? So why don't I remember seeing them?
>Ah!! I know! Because I haven't even the least idea who you are. For all I
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Bob

Why should he mosey on Bob? He's looking for stooges that will waste
their time and effort to acknowledge his existence.

Newsgroup users hate two things Bob. Trolls and the stooges who give
them reason to hang around. I'm pretty sure most of the folks who read
this group have the trolls killfiled and never see their posts unless
a stooge does the troll's posting by responding. The remedy for that
is to killfile the stooge as well.

I can't say that I've read any of your posts until this one but you're
being ticked by what the troll posted indicates that you may be an
alright kind of guy who reads this group because you have an interest
in photography you'd like to share. My guess is, you wouldn't want to
be killfiled. Would you Bob?
Robert Coe - 27 Oct 2007 01:53 GMT
: >: > Hi,
: >: >
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
: in photography you'd like to share. My guess is, you wouldn't want to
: be killfiled. Would you Bob?

Quite frankly, David, I don't give a Good God Damn whether you killfile me or
not.

Bob
The One - 25 Oct 2007 09:55 GMT
> : > Hi,
> : >
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>
> Bob

I once set up my tripod (low level) and set up a shot, my cat was making a
noise next to me, he jumped up to give affection and inivertantly landed on
the shutter giving a burst of 6 shots, I processed the shots for him
(minimal effort needed) as he couldn't control the mouse with his paw. The
result was a number of shots better than the ones in the website given
above. honest but true... deal with it.
UC - 26 Oct 2007 14:53 GMT
> > : > Hi,
> > : >
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> result was a number of shots better than the ones in the website given
> above. honest but true... deal with it.

Yup. I once passed a large turd that was better looking ...
ggomezphoto - 26 Oct 2007 16:44 GMT
> > "Robert Coe" <b...@1776.COM> wrote in message
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

Yes, we know.  You have passed several turds.  We have seen your work.
UC - 23 Oct 2007 19:03 GMT
> Hi,
>
> I have a new website:

You do? Why tell us?
Robert Coe - 24 Oct 2007 01:55 GMT
: > Hi,
: >
: > I have a new website:
:
: You do? Why tell us?

Good old Unicorn Cadaver! If he doesn't have an expressible opinion (because
he hasn't actually looked at the pictures), he just belches out a few snide
words on general principle.

For the record, Unic, I like his work a lot better than yours.

Bob
Jasper - 24 Oct 2007 08:46 GMT
> : > Hi,
> : >
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Bob

Thanks Bob. I'm just an amateur photographer, trying to get some
critics to improve my work.. :)

Jasper
cooverknight - 24 Oct 2007 21:39 GMT
> > : > Hi,
> > : >
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Jasper

It sure is outrageous that someone would provide a link to his or her
photo website on the internet.  Why, I bet it's never been done
before.  This is probably a first, and will go down in cyberspace
history as a turning point in web content.  I can understand why 'THE
ONE' would be so infuriated by this demonstration of improper web
etiquette.  I mean what is to compare to such a travesty?  The 30,000
children who die of starvation every day? the tyrants of the world who
enslave a good part of it?  These are but inconsequential when
compared to the egregious audacity of Jasper to announce his website!
I am sure that he is repenting at this very moment.
The One - 25 Oct 2007 09:59 GMT
> > > : > Hi,
> > > : >
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> compared to the egregious audacity of Jasper to announce his website!
> I am sure that he is repenting at this very moment.

Infuriated, hmmm, not really. When I see a bad website I tend to say to,
rather than telling someone false information, which seems to go on a lot
lately, yes and you are a victim also.
Robert Coe - 27 Oct 2007 02:01 GMT
: > > > On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:03:56 -0000, UC <uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com>
: wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
: rather than telling someone false information, which seems to go on a lot
: lately, yes and you are a victim also.

Is English your native language, T1? I'm having a bit of difficulty parsing
that rejoinder. Is it worth my while to ask you what you were trying to say?

Bob
The One - 25 Oct 2007 09:58 GMT
> > : > Hi,
> > : >
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Jasper

Yes and i've done just that.

Ok ill say your pics are the best i've seen for a long time, thats what you
want to hear right, or you wouldn't post on here.

The major thing about digital photography is that any herbert can buy a
digital camera and pertend to be the best, the real and unfortunate truth is
that you are not and you pictures at present aren't very good and need
work.... next..
Rob Morley - 25 Oct 2007 11:05 GMT

> Ok ill say your pics are the best i've seen for a long time, thats what you
> want to hear right, or you wouldn't post on here.

I guess you don't appreciate the worth of constructive criticism,
presumably because you never listen to other people because they're all
wrong and you're always right.
The One - 25 Oct 2007 12:21 GMT
> > Ok ill say your pics are the best i've seen for a long time, thats what you
> > want to hear right, or you wouldn't post on here.
> >
> I guess you don't appreciate the worth of constructive criticism,
> presumably because you never listen to other people because they're all
> wrong and you're always right.

Some of us had to learn the hard way without listening to novice idiots
thinking they are a god at it.
Rob Morley - 25 Oct 2007 14:44 GMT
> > > Ok ill say your pics are the best i've seen for a long time, thats what
> you
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Some of us had to learn the hard way without listening to novice idiots
> thinking they are a god at it.

Some people struggle to learn because they won't ask for or accept
advice, because they're unable to distinguish between good and bad
advice, or because nobody wants to give them the benefit of advice
(perhaps because the person seeking advice is incredibly annoying or
offensive, or the person being asked is selfish, insecure or not as
clever as he thinks).
The One - 26 Oct 2007 08:33 GMT
> > > > Ok ill say your pics are the best i've seen for a long time, thats what
> > you
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> offensive, or the person being asked is selfish, insecure or not as
> clever as he thinks).

Some, err, most people these days need a boot up the arse, to know thier
place rather than cheating everyone including themselves. Moley....
Rob Morley - 26 Oct 2007 09:35 GMT
> Some, err, most people these days need a boot up the arse, to know thier
> place rather than cheating everyone including themselves.

It must be like I said, that you're right and everyone else is wrong.  
Surely you feel some responsibility to help these lesser mortals improve
themselves, if only so they annoy you less?  Unfortunately their limited
intellects are unable to extract helpful meaning from phrases like
"that's crap", "you're an idiot", despite the divine wisdom which they
surely contain.

> Moley....

That would be Holey Moley, right?
The One - 26 Oct 2007 14:11 GMT
> > Some, err, most people these days need a boot up the arse, to know thier
> > place rather than cheating everyone including themselves.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> "that's crap", "you're an idiot", despite the divine wisdom which they
> surely contain.

So someone who posts "Look at my web gallery and tell me what you think",
what should I do other than tell them what I think?
Rob Morley - 26 Oct 2007 14:54 GMT
> So someone who posts "Look at my web gallery and tell me what you think",
> what should I do other than tell them what I think?

Shut the f.ck up unless you have something constructive to contribute.
That could include telling them /why/ you think it's crap, and backing
it up with suggestions for improvement, but that would be straining your
brain cell a bit much, wouldn't it?
The One - 26 Oct 2007 15:33 GMT
> > So someone who posts "Look at my web gallery and tell me what you think",
> > what should I do other than tell them what I think?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> it up with suggestions for improvement, but that would be straining your
> brain cell a bit much, wouldn't it?

Im yet to see a constructive comment from you, at least I give comments
albeit honest ones at that. I see you have offered information to someone
hoping to become a professional. I though you were a big headed twat, now I
know you are a big headed twat.
UC - 26 Oct 2007 16:45 GMT
> > In article <4721e78...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, The One
> > n...@here.com says...
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> hoping to become a professional. I though you were a big headed twat, now I
> know you are a big headed twat.

THIS is not the place for such criticism. There are OTHER places for
that. Try http://www.photographyboard.net.
Rob Morley - 27 Oct 2007 06:34 GMT
> Im yet to see a constructive comment from you, at least I give comments
> albeit honest ones at that.

You seem to think that posting anything is better than posting nothing -
you are wrong.

> I see you have offered information to someone
> hoping to become a professional. I though you were a big headed twat, now I
> know you are a big headed twat.

So mentioning basic business principles makes me a big headed twat?  OK.
The One - 27 Oct 2007 09:47 GMT
> > Im yet to see a constructive comment from you, at least I give comments
> > albeit honest ones at that.
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> >
> So mentioning basic business principles makes me a big headed twat?  OK.

Especially when you know nothing about it, yes!
Robert Coe - 27 Oct 2007 02:06 GMT
: > > Some, err, most people these days need a boot up the arse, to know thier
: > > place rather than cheating everyone including themselves.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
: So someone who posts "Look at my web gallery and tell me what you think",
: what should I do other than tell them what I think?

The operative word is "think". And you didn't.
The One - 27 Oct 2007 09:47 GMT
> : > > Some, err, most people these days need a boot up the arse, to know thier
> : > > place rather than cheating everyone including themselves.
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>
> The operative word is "think". And you didn't.

Much like your work behind a camera.
Robert Coe - 27 Oct 2007 13:41 GMT
: > : > > Some, err, most people these days need a boot up the arse, to know
: > : > > thier place rather than cheating everyone including themselves.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
:
: Much like your work behind a camera.

I'm surprised that you're qualified to comment on that. Except for one picture
that made the finals of Wayne Coshall's monthly contest, I haven't posted any
of my work.

Bob
The One - 28 Oct 2007 11:48 GMT
> : > : > > Some, err, most people these days need a boot up the arse, to know
> : > : > > thier place rather than cheating everyone including themselves.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Bob

Keep in mind 99.9% of all work of any kind is trash these days, I can odds
on yours is in that proportion. Dick head.
Jasper - 25 Oct 2007 11:31 GMT
> > > On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:03:56 -0000, UC <uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> Ok ill say your pics are the best i've seen for a long time, thats what you
> want to hear right, or you wouldn't post on here.

No. That's useless information. I want to know how I can improve my
photo's (I'm just an amateur, I know they're not the best shots ever).

> The major thing about digital photography is that any herbert can buy a
> digital camera and pertend to be the best, the real and unfortunate truth is
> that you are not and you pictures at present aren't very good and need
> work.... next..-
Ok, so, how can I improve?
The One - 25 Oct 2007 12:26 GMT
> > > > On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:03:56 -0000, UC <uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> > work.... next..-
> Ok, so, how can I improve?

Leave you camera (Nikon I expect) at home for once, instead of snapping
whatever is put in front of you, instead plan, plan, plan, plan, plan,
scout, scout, scout, scout. Wait for the right conditions and wait some more
and more and more think about composition. What works and what doesn't. More
importantly learn the histogram.

Photography is 90% preparation and 10% sheer hard drudgery, no image will
jump at you.
cooverknight - 25 Oct 2007 14:36 GMT
> Photography is 90% preparation and 10% sheer hard drudgery, no image will
> jump at you.

I prefer Woody Allen's quote: "90% of work is showing up."
The One - 26 Oct 2007 08:34 GMT
> > Photography is 90% preparation and 10% sheer hard drudgery, no image will
> > jump at you.
>
> I prefer Woody Allen's quote: "90% of work is showing up."

Right, I'll show up at a location and do the preparation there shall I,
might be a wasted journey.........
Jasper - 25 Oct 2007 18:11 GMT
> > > "Jasper" <jasper.zonder...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
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>
> Leave you camera (Nikon I expect) at home for once, instead of snapping
Did you even bother to look at the pics? You would have learned from
the exif info I have a Canon 400D (Rebel Xi that is I think).

> whatever is put in front of you, instead plan, plan, plan, plan, plan,
> scout, scout, scout, scout. Wait for the right conditions and wait some more
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Photography is 90% preparation and 10% sheer hard drudgery, no image will
> jump at you.
I'll take that into advice, thank you.

Jasper
UC - 26 Oct 2007 14:56 GMT
> > > "Jasper" <jasper.zonder...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
> Photography is 90% preparation and 10% sheer hard drudgery, no image will
> jump at you.

Right. Many of the photographs I don't take are better than the ones
other people do take. By that I mean I 'pass' on something.
Rob Morley - 26 Oct 2007 15:00 GMT
> Right. Many of the photographs I don't take are better than the ones
> other people do take. By that I mean I 'pass' on something.

But the ones you don't take are your best work.
UC - 26 Oct 2007 15:08 GMT
> In article <1193406994.085592.92...@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>, UC
> uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com says...
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> But the ones you don't take are your best work.

Better than yours, to be sure...
ggomezphoto - 26 Oct 2007 16:47 GMT
> > In article <1193406994.085592.92...@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>, UC
> > uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com says...
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Better than yours, to be sure...

Oh show us again, please.
UC - 26 Oct 2007 17:33 GMT
> > > In article <1193406994.085592.92...@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>, UC
> > > uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com says...
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Oh show us again, please.

Yeah, like your stupid blurry fishbowl shot. Now there's one for
eternity....
ggomezphoto - 26 Oct 2007 17:38 GMT
> > > > In article <1193406994.085592.92...@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>, UC
> > > > uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com says...
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Yeah, like your stupid blurry fishbowl shot. Now there's one for
> eternity....

Like all of yours, heads cut off, poles out of heads, ugly women.  You
should talk.  Actually, that is all you do, is talk.  You are all
talk.

Why don't you put your used pimp (Armani) outfit on, and move to L.A.
and work on getting that blow job from Paris.  I think you need it.
And it would give us a break from you posting things here.
UC - 26 Oct 2007 17:58 GMT
> > > > > In article <1193406994.085592.92...@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>, UC
> > > > > uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com says...
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Like all of yours, heads cut off,

Nope. Show me ONE subject whose head was cut off.

> poles out of heads, ugly women.

Ugly women? That's a laugh!

You're beneath contempt. Actually, about four floors below...
ggomezphoto - 26 Oct 2007 22:06 GMT
> > > > > > In article <1193406994.085592.92...@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>, UC
> > > > > > uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com says...
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>
> - Show quoted text -

Your rugby shots.  On one of them, you have the bottom third of the
picture of grass, resulting in heads being cut off at the top.  It is
because you couldn't handle that long lens you are supposedly an
expert at using.  For those particular images, I think NOT cutting the
heads off would be better.

Yes, ugly, skanky women.  Clearly, if you want a BJ from Paris Hilton,
we know where your tastes run.  Not too mention the pimp clothes you
purchase on eBay

In terms of contempt, if you review the feedback you have received
here I think you rank at the top of the contempt chart (although there
are a couple in this thread who are following close in your foot
steps).

No more excuses or explantions please, we all know you can dish it but
you can't take it.  But I know you will come back with your ususal
excuses and abusive language.  You can't help it.  You have a
psychiatric disorder.
UC - 27 Oct 2007 01:04 GMT
> > > > > > > In article <1193406994.085592.92...@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>, UC
> > > > > > > uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com says...
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>
> - Show quoted text -

There are no heads cut off in the rugby shots of the subjects, the
players in focus. You're a liar. It is impossible to get tight on a
group of players and not have some part of the group cut off. No-one
in focus is cut off. same with the soccer players. You're a f.ck-faced
baboon. Go take some more blurry photos of a fish bowl, or of a wall
with people sitting on park benches staring at you (you have no
ability to 'disappear').
ggomezphoto - 27 Oct 2007 01:21 GMT
> > > > > > > > In article <1193406994.085592.92...@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>, UC
> > > > > > > > uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com says...
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
> with people sitting on park benches staring at you (you have no
> ability to 'disappear').

More excuses.  More abuse.  You are a broken record.

Anyone can look at my blog and make their assessment:

http://gerrygomez.blogspot.com/

Or go to your posts and see what I am talking about:

http://www.photographyboard.net/index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=userProfil
e&user=7770


The difference is that you go on and on about your excellent
photography, your great skills, and the photos show otherwise.

Let anyone who is interested look and decide.

You can't handle it that you are average, or below average (that is
why you are so angry).  For me, I don't make any claim to be
otherwise.

I am no Paris Hilton, so please don't call me f.ck face.  If you are
looking for a guy who might meet your Paris fantasy, here are some
pictures for you:

http://usuarios.lycos.es/hardrockbuenosaires/caratulas_cds/caratulas_cds/poison_
lookwhatthecatdraggedin_front.jpg

UC - 27 Oct 2007 01:34 GMT
> > > > > > > > > In article <1193406994.085592.92...@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>, UC
> > > > > > > > > uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com says...
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>
> - Show quoted text -

You're a waste of carbon atoms. You have delusions of adequacy. You're
unfit to taste my dog's sh.t, and I don't have a dog.

Have a nice day.
ggomezphoto - 27 Oct 2007 01:38 GMT
> > > > > > > > > > In article <1193406994.085592.92...@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>, UC
> > > > > > > > > > uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com says...
[quoted text clipped - 84 lines]
>
> Have a nice day.

Ping....................
Robert Coe - 27 Oct 2007 17:11 GMT
: > No more excuses or explantions please, we all know you can dish it but
: > you can't take it.  But I know you will come back with your ususal
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
: with people sitting on park benches staring at you (you have no
: ability to 'disappear').

Well, Unicorn, one thing Gerry *is* good at is getting your goat. He's playing
you like a bass fiddle, and you don't even seem to notice.  ;^)
UC - 27 Oct 2007 20:58 GMT
> : > No more excuses or explantions please, we all know you can dish it but
> : > you can't take it.  But I know you will come back with your ususal
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Well, Unicorn, one thing Gerry *is* good at is getting your goat. He's playing
> you like a bass fiddle, and you don't even seem to notice.  ;^)

Oh, I know he's just being an idiot. I go along just for the hell of
it.
ggomezphoto - 27 Oct 2007 21:30 GMT
> > : > No more excuses or explantions please, we all know you can dish it but
> > : > you can't take it.  But I know you will come back with your ususal
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Oh, I know he's just being an idiot. I go along just for the hell of
> it.

After reading what you say, and then looking at your photos, everyone
knows who the idiot is.
ggomezphoto - 27 Oct 2007 22:06 GMT
> : > No more excuses or explantions please, we all know you can dish it but
> : > you can't take it.  But I know you will come back with your ususal
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Well, Unicorn, one thing Gerry *is* good at is getting your goat. He's playing
> you like a bass fiddle, and you don't even seem to notice.  ;^)

I have dealt with many a.sholes like eunuch-corn.  Classrooms,
newsrooms, locker rooms are full of people like him.

All dicks, but no balls.  All talk, but then when you see what they
do, you know.
Rob Morley - 27 Oct 2007 06:06 GMT
> > In article <1193406994.085592.92...@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>, UC
> > uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com says...
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Better than yours, to be sure...

Some of the photos I don't take are world class.
Robert Coe - 27 Oct 2007 17:19 GMT
: > > In article <1193406994.085592.92...@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>, UC
: > > uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com says...
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
: >
: Some of the photos I don't take are world class.

The best thing about not taking world class photos is that you don't actually
have to be there to not take them. One of the pictures I didn't take of the
Eiffel Tower was possibly the best ever not taken of that structure. And I've
never even been to France!

Bob
UC - 27 Oct 2007 21:01 GMT
> : In article <1193407698.233485.324...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, UC
> : uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com says...
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Bob

Right. Some of the photos I didn't take of the Berlin Olympics are
some of the best ever. Leni even failed to tell me that! Hitler was
very pleased, too, at the lack of missing photos of him. Jesse Owens
would not stop talking about how much he liked the ones I didn't take
off him!
ggomezphoto - 27 Oct 2007 21:37 GMT
> > : In article <1193407698.233485.324...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, UC
> > : uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com says...
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> would not stop talking about how much he liked the ones I didn't take
> off him!

Knowing you, you would have cut Owens' head off, and one foot, and
then blamed him, or you would use the excuse that the lens you were
using was so long, and so difficult to use.

Or you would call him an a.s clown for not running as fast as you
would have liked, and dismiss his achievement out of hand.

That is just the way you are.  That is the way of the narcissist.
UC - 28 Oct 2007 17:29 GMT
> > > : In article <1193407698.233485.324...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, UC
> > > : uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com says...
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
> That is just the way you are.  That is the way of the narcissist.-

No, in the photos of Owens that I didn't take, I didn't cut his head
off. But in one that I didn't take of him in the broad jump, I missed
the focus just a bit.
UC - 27 Oct 2007 20:57 GMT
> In article <1193407698.233485.324...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, UC
> uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com says...> On Oct 26, 10:00 am, Rob Morley <nos...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Some of the photos I don't take are world class.

Some of the wine I don't drink is, too.
ggomezphoto - 26 Oct 2007 16:47 GMT
> > "Jasper" <jasper.zonder...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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You are now repeating yourself.  After seeing your work, you should
have passed on more.
Robert Coe - 27 Oct 2007 02:09 GMT
: > > > > On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:03:56 -0000, UC <uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com>
: > > wrote:
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: Photography is 90% preparation and 10% sheer hard drudgery, no image will
: jump at you.

Every word of that is bullshit.
David - 25 Oct 2007 18:33 GMT
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>Ok, so, how can I improve?

Hi Jasper!

Here's some suggestions on how to improve your photography.

There are many photo sites on the internet that would welcome you into
their fold. Many of them are free to join and will even give you a
token amount (10meg or so) of space to post your efforts.

The skills of their membership (on a good site) usually range from
beginner to pro. They usually have a great sense of community and
will, if you ask, critique your work or answer any questions you might
have. You can also pick up a lot just from reading the forums. Some
sites even offer mini-courses. Most have competitions for their
members.

A couple that immediately come to mind are the Photograhy-cafe and the
Digital-Darkroom. Discussion is moderated so you won't have to deal
with the likes of some of the ass-holes that post in this newsgroup.
I'd venture to say that once you find such a site you'll likely never
bother with this group again. The ass-holes that post here get as much
or more attention than the subject of photography does. That's why
I'll be unsubscribing from this group after I post this reply to your
query so I won't be around for any follow-up questions you might have
or the pointless remarks of the trolls.

You can also find out a lot by simply googling for the various tools
you'll find in your image editor. Don't be put off by the fact that
most explanations will be for Photoshop as all tools, regardless of
the name of the editor, employ the same principles. Or, you could try
support groups for your camera and/or image editor.

And last but not least, look at a lot of photography. 'Published'
photography is usually the best example of what you might want to try
to achieve. Or not, depending on your level of interest.

Hope this helps.

Dave
cooverknight - 25 Oct 2007 19:24 GMT
> Hi Jasper!
>
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> photography is usually the best example of what you might want to try
> to achieve. Or not, depending on your level of interest.

Jasper, now all of what is stated here is good advice!   You can also
think of taking a photography course if you get some recommendations
from former students.  That doesn't mean you have to take a course to
become competent or even that you will become competent, and lots of
photographers who are rewarded for their work either monetarily or
through exhibitions, praise, etc., never took a course.  However, with
a teacher and other students--i.e., real live people, they can't or
won't make derogatory remarks to you since you are face-to-face with
them, and not in an anonymous cyber-reality where anyone can say
anything without much fear of retribution.  That's why you will find
many disaffected, cowardly people responding the way they do in this
forum--they don't fear retribution.  Where I grew up, if you made
statements "in person" the way many do in this disembodied means of
communication, you'd get your a.s kicked--and at times, if a foot was
not adjudged sufficient, it would be a baseball bat.  I joined this
group yesterday, and I'm quitting today. I don't have time to waste on
this nonesense, and neither should you.
ggomezphoto - 25 Oct 2007 22:27 GMT
> > Hi Jasper!
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My experience here has been the same.  You might learn some things
here, but mostly it is a waste of time if you respond or interact with
the jerks.  When you see the work of some of the jerks here, you
realize how deluded they are.

Gerry
Not4wood - 26 Oct 2007 03:33 GMT
Cooverknight,

Just ignore the trolls.  There comments are not worth getting frustrated or
angry over.
You just found this newsgroup, there are a lot of knowledgeable people here
that are willing to help.  But like real life there are people who dont do
anything else but sit and post drivel.

There not worth it.

Not4wood

>> Hi Jasper!
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> group yesterday, and I'm quitting today. I don't have time to waste on
> this nonesense, and neither should you.
The One - 26 Oct 2007 08:41 GMT
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>
> Dave

Jasper ignore this, he is a Photoshopper and not a Photographer there is a
huge difference. It is vitally important to get a scene right in camera or
as right as can be, Photoshop should be used sparingly to do minor tweaks.
Preserve the original scene and don't add the typical PS get outs. Learn the
histogram this will be your most expensive tool. Digital has become an
excuse to become sloppy these days "I'll sort it out later in Photoshop
brigade." When in reality it gives you the tools to become 100% maticolous
behind the lens. Afterall you would have to be maticolous when using film to
get the scene right, digital gives you the tools to go up and over what film
offers. Perfect scenes should be 2 a penny these days, but im not seeing it.
People have gotten very, very sloppy indeed. Don't be like the rest keep
photography real and keep it pure and most importantly keep it simple. The
more processing you do out of the camera will degrade the image no end.
Not4wood - 26 Oct 2007 11:47 GMT
The One,

You are actually giving good advice for a change.  From what I do see of
your comments, this is a rare post for you but impressive.

I know somebody who instead of learning composition and lighting spent most
of his time playing with Photoshop and looking to edit out whole areas and
or rebuild it to look completely different.  When his results didn't bring
in rave comments or worthy of hanging on a wall he got angry and huffy and
now he barely picks up his camera because he thought "If I pick up a camera,
it looks easy I can be the worlds best Photographer".  I never heard him
once asking or trying to get better.  (When I mentioned composition and or
lighting he just brushed me off and went back to Photoshop like it was the
end to all means).He just put his camera down and never looked backed.  He
is just not as angry as I've seen others get at either Photography itself or
the world for not recognizing his skill.  I've seen that several times and
to me all the anger doesn't make sense.  I've tried speaking to him, and I
cant get him to pick up his camera again no matter what I suggest.  Oh well.
Its a waste but what can you do?  He has an Olympus Advanced P&S, really
nice camera but I wouldn't want it.

Not4wood

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>> >Ok, so, how can I improve?
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> photography real and keep it pure and most importantly keep it simple. The
> more processing you do out of the camera will degrade the image no end.
The One - 26 Oct 2007 14:15 GMT
> The One,
>
> You are actually giving good advice for a change.  From what I do see of
> your comments, this is a rare post for you but impressive.

My best advice for 99.9% of DSLR owners would be to bury them in cement,
like a hammer the tool is useless in the wrong hands.
UC - 26 Oct 2007 14:55 GMT
> > "Jasper" <jasper.zonder...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
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>
> Ok, so, how can I improve?

Then pay someone to teach you. Everybody on the planet who has bought
a digital camera wants to "get better". So what? Everybody wants to
get a blow job from Paris Hilton too. That doesn't mean they're going
to get it.
ggomezphoto - 26 Oct 2007 16:46 GMT
> > > "Jasper" <jasper.zonder...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Everybody wants a blow job from Paris Hilton?  I don't think so.  You
mean you want one.
UC - 26 Oct 2007 14:52 GMT
> > : > Hi,
> > : >
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>
> Jasper

Then go to a site such as www.photosig.com. That's what they do there.
UC - 26 Oct 2007 14:51 GMT
> : > Hi,
> : >
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>
> Good old Unicorn Cadaver!

Uh...Clem.

> If he doesn't have an expressible opinion (because
> he hasn't actually looked at the pictures), he just belches out a few snide
> words on general principle.
>
> For the record, Unic, I like his work a lot better than yours.

Your opinion is of no importance to me.

> Bob
Jasper - 24 Oct 2007 08:46 GMT
> > Hi,
>
> > I have a new website:
>
> You do? Why tell us?

I already told you WHY:
If you want, I'd be pleased if you give critics on photo's and layout.

So please read before you answer :)

Jasper
richbar1978 - 28 Oct 2007 21:08 GMT
> I have a new website:

Nice work Jasper.  I like the simple layout, and there's some great
images on there.  I'll definitely be checking it out regularly.

Richard.
UC - 28 Oct 2007 22:53 GMT
> Hi,
>
> I have a new website:

No you don't. Quit lying!
 
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