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Photo Forum / General Photo Topics / General Topics / October 2007Ways I can start and promote a photography business successful?
How can I as a individual who have no experience in the field of photography, start a photography business and also ways to promote successful. You can call me a "Beginner freelance photographer" who is trying to learn the ways of the business. ANY ADVISE! Very basically, to be successful, you must find a niche that is different than your competition. If you can find a need and fill it you are half way to success. Spend time figuring, planning or investigating what that need might be for your local area and focus in on it. > How can I as a individual who have no experience in the field of > photography, start a photography business and also ways to promote > successful. You can call me a "Beginner freelance photographer" who > is > trying to learn the ways of the business. ANY ADVISE! > Very basically, to be successful, you must find a niche that is different > than your competition. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> successful. You can call me a "Beginner freelance photographer" who is >> trying to learn the ways of the business. ANY ADVISE! Two things, reputation and clientele. Neither come quickly or easily. Create a buzz and make sure people can see our work. Be patient, if you are good and offer something unique, they will come. > How can I as a individual who have no experience in the field of > photography, start a photography business and also ways to promote > successful. You can call me a "Beginner freelance photographer" who is > trying to learn the ways of the business. ANY ADVISE! Well, I guess the first thing you need to start is being good at what you do (photography), and when you are good then you can start to find someone to hire you, or do some free work for some pro to learn and boost yourself up. And how well your business will depend on how well you market your product. > How can I as a individual who have no experience in the field of > photography, start a photography business and also ways to promote > successful. You can call me a "Beginner freelance photographer" who is > trying to learn the ways of the business. ANY ADVISE! Lemme see if I got this: you want to be successful at something you know nothing about? >> How can I as a individual who have no experience in the field of >> photography, start a photography business and also ways to promote [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Lemme see if I got this: you want to be successful at something you > know nothing about? He has a good chance of being successful because he is doing somerthing right- he is asking for other people's ideas. Honing the skills to accomplish something comes with education and effort but you need direction first. > > In article <1188332314.161380.64...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > accomplish something comes with education and effort but you need > direction first. He's asking the wrong people though - as suggested by one earlier poster, he needs to find out what the market niche that's not being filled is. Then he needs to work out if he can charge enough to make a living out of it, and next what skills he needs to fill it, including marketing and so on. Somewhere along the line he might need to make a business plan and get some finance. >> How can I as a individual who have no experience in the field of >> photography, start a photography business and also ways to promote [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Lemme see if I got this: you want to be successful at something you > know nothing about? Let me ask you a question. Do you drive? Would you say you are successfull as a driver? If the answer to those questions is "yes", then please answer one further question. Did you know anythnig about it before you started? Everyone was a beginner at some stage in their lives. Even you. No-one pops out of their mothers womb carrying a camera, snapping artistic and technically brilliant photos of the midwife. > >> How can I as a individual who have no experience in the field of > >> photography, start a photography business and also ways to promote [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > question. > Did you know anythnig about it before you started? I think "did you set up in business as a chauffeur before you could drive?" is a more appropriate question in this situation, don't you? >>>> How can I as a individual who have no experience in the field of >>>> photography, start a photography business and also ways to promote [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I think "did you set up in business as a chauffeur before you could > drive?" is a more appropriate question in this situation, don't you? On reflection, you are quite correct. > No-one pops out of their mothers womb carrying a camera, snapping artistic > and technically brilliant photos of the midwife. But unfortunately people choose photography as a career when they have no idea what's going on. >> No-one pops out of their mothers womb carrying a camera, snapping artistic >> and technically brilliant photos of the midwife. > >But unfortunately people choose photography as a career when they have >no idea what's going on. That would invariably be true of those who end up being the *most* successful. If they "knew what's going on", they'd do it the "right" way... and end up being just like everyone else at best. It's the ones with *smarts*, not knowledge, who do new things in new ways and are the most successful. Of course it is obvious why Randall Ainsworth is not comfortable with creative people like that around...  SignatureFloyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com > >> No-one pops out of their mothers womb carrying a camera, snapping artistic > >> and technically brilliant photos of the midwife. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It's the ones with *smarts*, not knowledge, who do new > things in new ways and are the most successful. ... Hmmmm it seems like my brain been tickling as I am trying to figure out how one can be "smart" without some "knowledge" of being smart???? ...unless you mean "no knowledge of photography" but "smart in marketing" then it's another story. > Of course it is obvious why Randall Ainsworth is not > comfortable with creative people like that around... >> >> No-one pops out of their mothers womb carrying a camera, snapping artistic >> >> and technically brilliant photos of the midwife. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > ... Hmmmm it seems like my brain been tickling as I am trying to figure >out how one can be "smart" without some "knowledge" of being smart???? A "drone" can work at a photography business for 30 years and make a decent living while never do anything until someone else thinks of it and shows that it works. Said "drone" may not have much smarts, but after 30 years will definitely have experience and knowledge (all of it about what worked _yesterday_, and none of it useful to a startup). A person with smarts but virtually *no* knowledge of either the technology or the business of photography might look at a given market and immediately see an unfilled niche. Exploiting the previously unknown niches is what makes one business wildly successful while others go bankrupt. It certainly is *not* knowledge and experience in the business! Keep in mind that half the photography sold is necessarily below average, but it sells anyway. > ...unless you mean "no knowledge of photography" but "smart in marketing" >then it's another story. That was the topic... :-) Smart enough to *learn*... whatever part of photography it takes to provide a product for the "smart marketing". You know, if you have a photography business that is viable, you can hire all the photographers you need, because they are a dime a dozen. SignatureFloyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com > >> >> No-one pops out of their mothers womb carrying a camera, snapping artistic > >> >> and technically brilliant photos of the midwife. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > of it about what worked _yesterday_, and none of it > useful to a startup). It's very interesting! interesting! it's way to late for me to start all over, but if I was smart as a "drome" then I wouldn't care less for knowledge, but spend the rest of my 71 years to be smart <bg> Now I have some knowledge but feel kinda dumb for not being smart <bg> > A person with smarts but virtually *no* knowledge of > either the technology or the business of photography > might look at a given market and immediately see an > unfilled niche. Ohhhh.. like a medical insurance agent who is smart enough to sell of of insurance but have no knowledge of medical? Well, if it's so then with my limited knowledge I would chose to continue to be dumb instead of smart but no knowledge ... and I make this choice from knowledge <bg> > Exploiting the previously unknown niches is what makes > one business wildly successful while others go bankrupt. > It certainly is *not* knowledge and experience in the > business! Keep in mind that half the photography sold > is necessarily below average, but it sells anyway. That is marketing knowledge not photography or backer smart, and I still can't figure out how some one can be smart without knowledge .. or I always thought knowledge is father of smart. Or how can you give a smart answer without some knowledge???? or how can you tell between good.bad without knowledge???? Hmmm you make me feel like a happy dumber <bg> > > ...unless you mean "no knowledge of photography" but "smart in marketing" > >then it's another story. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Smart enough to *learn*... whatever part of photography > it takes to provide a product for the "smart marketing". A nature talent to learn, a knowledge for creative. When I was young, I was born with a nature talent that I can read a whole long chapter about twice and I can rewrite the whole chapter without missing a single word (or up to 99.x%). But that nature talent later be part of my problem, because I didn't learn the knowledge of learning like most normal people. So when I get older, life get rougher, and especially have to adapt another language (English) as main language (at the age 39) then I wish I have more learning knowledge. And it helps some because English is the 4th language I know (I forgot most ot other 2 but 2 left, and English will probably be gone when I am near death <bg>) Hahahaha it's so funny and I drove my parents banana when I was always the top 5 student, but I never opened a book to study at home. And I only need few minutes to read through the whole chaper before test. And I came from the country there we have to rewrite a whole long chapter, and we got score by number of correct/incorrect word. Of course the teach can't read the tests of whole class (50-60+ students) but - We pass the test to the whole class (we check each other test) - Someone READ the chapter, and we marked/counted the errors - Gave the tests back to the teacher and s/he gave the test score. > You know, if you have a photography business that is > viable, you can hire all the photographers you need, > because they are a dime a dozen. That's my knowledge! if I want to expand the photography business then I would hire other to make money for me. > You know, if you have a photography business that is > viable, you can hire all the photographers you need, > because they are a dime a dozen. Not good ones. Good ones are scarce. Good ones that have people smarts are even scarcer. Good ones who have people smarts and don't dress like bums are close to non-existent. If you find one of the latter, he won't stick around long because he'll start working for himself. SignaturedadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico >> You know, if you have a photography business that is >> viable, you can hire all the photographers you need, >> because they are a dime a dozen. > >Not good ones. Good ones are scarce. Good enough, are a dime a dozen. A photography business can be based on *great* photography, but it does not have to be and indeed might even be a lot better (as in easier and more profitable) if it isn't. What it requires is great *marketing*. And that is true no matter how good the photographers might be. >Good ones that have people >smarts are even scarcer. Good ones who have people smarts and don't >dress like bums are close to non-existent. If you find one of the >latter, he won't stick around long because he'll start working for >himself. Who cares what they dress like. Sheeesh. SignatureFloyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com >>> You know, if you have a photography business that is >>> viable, you can hire all the photographers you need, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Good enough, are a dime a dozen. Ever hired any? _______________ >> Good ones that have people >> smarts are even scarcer. Good ones who have people smarts and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Who cares what they dress like. Sheeesh. The customers. SignaturedadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico >>> Good ones that have people >>> smarts are even scarcer. Good ones who have people smarts and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >The customers. I agree. I have seen several "pro" photographers at events recently. Some dressed most inappropriately for the event. They won't be used again. It does depend on the event of course. Jeans and tee shirt are good for a rock concert but not a night at the opera. Some events if you are not in a suite and tie you don't get in. Press pass or not. Smart "professional" dress is usually an advantage. Looking clean and presentable no matter how casual is a must. Obviously the dress should be suitable for the location and culture. Southern California tee shirt and shorts but if you are in Saudi long trousers and shirt sleeves are a must. It does matter. It does not make any difference to the picture it does make a difference to getting in the right place to take the photo. Imaging going to church/mosque/synagogue etc and the man who steps up to take the service is dressed in a thong, boots and a tee shirt that says spank my monkey........ Dress and how you are perceived by those around you does matter. Signature\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ /\/\/ chris@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ <snip> > >Good ones that have people > >smarts are even scarcer. Good ones who have people smarts and don't [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Who cares what they dress like. Sheeesh. Some of the clients might. If they do, it matters. > That would invariably be true of those who end up being > the *most* successful. If they "knew what's going on", [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Of course it is obvious why Randall Ainsworth is not > comfortable with creative people like that around... OK Floyd...let us know when you learn to create a decent image with the camera off "P." > > That would invariably be true of those who end up being > > the *most* successful. If they "knew what's going on", [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > OK Floyd...let us know when you learn to create a decent image with the > camera off "P." Hahaha Floyd is probably too smart to show to us (that is from my personal KNOWLEDGE) <bg> >> That would invariably be true of those who end up being >> the *most* successful. If they "knew what's going on", [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >OK Floyd...let us know when you learn to create a decent image with the >camera off "P." My cameras are all stuck on "M". Let us know if you ever take a picture that isn't boring. SignatureFloyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com > How can I as a individual who have no experience in the field of > photography, start a photography business and also ways to promote > successful. You can call me a "Beginner freelance photographer" who is > trying to learn the ways of the business. ANY ADVISE! Don't go out and try to sell any particular service. Ask around and find out what people are NOT getting. Then fill that niche. Steve good info... thanks kk >> How can I as a individual who have no experience in the field of >> photography, start a photography business and also ways to promote [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Steve In article <1188332314.161380.64590@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Cornelius imperator.com@mail.com says... > How can I as a individual who have no experience in the field of > photography, start a photography business and also ways to promote > successful. You can't. Go away, get some technical skills (photographic theory, lighting theory ...) some experience (portaiture, photo-journalism, technical photography ...) and some business skills (marketing, finance ...) then come back and ask again. >In article <1188332314.161380.64590@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, >Cornelius [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >technical photography ...) and some business skills (marketing, finance >...) then come back and ask again. Hopefully, by the time he has got all that, he shouldn't need to come back and ask. > >In article <1188332314.161380.64590@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > >Cornelius [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Hopefully, by the time he has got all that, he shouldn't need to come > back and ask. I'm pretty sure there are people who did all that and still didn't make a successful business of it - that's where the /extra special advice/ comes in handy (although I'm not sure that here is the place to find it). :-) > How can I as a individual who have no experience in the field of > photography, start a photography business and also ways to promote > successful. You can call me a "Beginner freelance photographer" who is > trying to learn the ways of the business. ANY ADVISE! Well to start, you should buy a camera. Cornelius enlightened us with: > How can I as a individual who have no experience in the field of > photography, start a photography business and also ways to promote > successful. You can call me a "Beginner freelance photographer" who > is trying to learn the ways of the business. ANY ADVISE! Step one: become a good photographer Koekje > How can I as a individual who have no experience in the field of > photography, start a photography business and also ways to promote > successful. You can call me a "Beginner freelance photographer" who is > trying to learn the ways of the business. ANY ADVISE! Thanks > How can I as a individual who have no experience in the field of > photography, start a photography business and also ways to promote > successful. You can call me a "Beginner freelance photographer" who is > trying to learn the ways of the business. ANY ADVISE! Would you patronize someone who had no experience? Why wouldanyone else? The photographic profession is filled with fuckheads like you and doesn't need any more of your kind. f.ck off, moron a.shole dipshit! > > How can I as a individual who have no experience in the field of > > photography, start a photography business and also ways to promote [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > and doesn't need any more of your kind. f.ck off, moron a.shole > dipshit! That's not very intelligent to say! > How can I as a individual who have no experience in the field of > photography, start a photography business and also ways to promote > successful. You can call me a "Beginner freelance photographer" who is > trying to learn the ways of the business. ANY ADVISE! Based on what you have written here my advice would be to take a remedial course in English. Learn how to write. You will find it helpful in business. Next take photography courses at your local technical school. Some small business courses would also be helpful. If you excel in school then find yourself a job as a professional photographer's assistant. This would be your graduate work so to speak. Pay attention, work hard, and learn everything you can about the business. Work on your own portfolio and when you believe it is as good as those who are your competitors consider going out on you own. It takes time and hard work. Good luck. > How can I as a individual who have no experience in the field of > photography, " just get yourself girls who want to be models but have no $ to pay a pro. Hot babes always want some topless, nude, bikini shots. Escorts, call girls also want photos to put up on the net. >> How can I as a individual who have no experience in the field of >> photography, " [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Hot babes always want some topless, nude, bikini shots. Escorts, call >girls also want photos to put up on the net. Remember to do suitable model releases so you can both use the photos. Also remember this is (photo) business. Not a a pick up opportunity. Word will spread around the models if you try anything. It might be worth trying a session at the local studio. Most do group sessions etc so you can get a feel for it (?:-) and see how it works before you are one on one and wondering what to do next or if you have accidentally crossed a line. Also plan it all out in advance with the module over coffee etc a few days before. That way she has the right clothes and you have the right gear and there are no embarrassing situations or misunderstandings Signature\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ /\/\/ chris@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ > How can I as a individual who have no experience in the field ofphotography, start aphotographybusiness and also ways to promote > successful. You can call me a "Beginner freelance photographer" who is > trying to learn the ways of the business. ANY ADVISE! i think get a camera get to know ur camera find what works for u if that mean shooting in auto makin sure that all ur going to do and ur happy in a shopping centre with lights and doing portraits i.e mother and babys u will make money or why not go to collage and learn a bit first see if u like it and take it for there > How can I as a individual who have no experience in the field ofphotography, start aphotographybusiness and also ways to promote > successful. You can call me a "Beginner freelance photographer" who is > trying to learn the ways of the business. ANY ADVISE! Very interesting topic, I have also wondered this. Sorry if my reply is not helpful but I am researching for a college project and have to reply to a post! thanks, Vicky With no experience you wont have much luck. Because of the myth of everyone who picks up a camera is a Photographer still holds true. You should take some Photo Classes at the Local Camera Club or Community College. The Problem with this is the Creativity does Suffer. Look in your area Yellow Pages and look to see how many or whats going on with the Local Photo Studios. Go in and talk to them, see if they need any apprentices, or maybe they can give you advice on where to go to learn. The Principles are still the same, and having Digital over old Film doesn't mean the mind set changes either. You still have to PreVisualize your image before you work it. Or, if you have real money. Put in an ad for an experienced Photo Studio Manager and set them up in business. They will run it and you will be the owner and take the Profits. LOL Not4wood >> How can I as a individual who have no experience in the field >> ofphotography, start aphotographybusiness and also ways to promote [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > reply to a post! > thanks, Vicky >How can I as a individual who have no experience in the field of >photography, start a photography business and also ways to promote >successful. You can call me a "Beginner freelance photographer" who is >trying to learn the ways of the business. ANY ADVISE! 1 ALWAYS carry a camera. You never know when a good photo will turn up I have had 2 front pages (one full page) and 8 inside photos in local and regional newspapers by being in the right place at the right time. In one case the Police would not give out any information to the local press who knew "something" was happening due the number of police sirens going off. I was by chance the only person with a camera at the scene. 2 Even if you know the market you want to specialise in take other photos if the chance arises. (Don't be blinkered) I took a photo of something I though looked good that was completely unrelated to a military parade in town. Dozens of other photographers would have seen the same view I did. They just did not recognise the potential as they were focused on something else. The photo got used somewhere else. 3 Enter competitions. You will hopefully get feedback that will help and get your name known. I entered a "photo of the week" comp on a whim and won. Also got automatically entered in a national comp which I also won. (Surprised me too as I did not think the photo was THAT good) However you should get feedback to let you know if you are on the right track. 4 Do photography as a side line whilst you build up your contacts, market and reputation (other wise you are going to starve). If you are any good at it you will find that you are making enough money from your "hobby" to cut back (or cut out) your day job. It also means that if you are not that good (or lucky) or the market is just not there you are not sunk but can still enjoy a good and hopefully profitable hobby. 5 Notwithstanding the comments above a hobby is not a business. They don't run the same way. I have had some newspaper front pages and competition wins but my day job makes more in a week than I have earned from photography..... A hobby can be fun even if it costs you money. A business HAS to pay the rent and then there is all the legal and financial paperwork. Often hobbies are best left as that. If they make money that is a bonus. Look at any good book on starting up your own business and they will tell you a hobby is fun because that is what it is. Your hobby. When a hobby becomes a business it is often no longer fun and can destroy the enjoyment you once had for an un-pressured fun hobby. Signature\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ /\/\/ chris@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ |
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