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How to get started in a photography busniess
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cowboy - 24 Jul 2007 04:58 GMT I have been told I am a very good photographer. My aunt asked me to do her wedding. I was nervous but I did it anyway. The pictures turned out great. I shot 100ISO Fuji slides, and I was wanting to start a busniess and a webb page. HELP PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!
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Bushong
>I have been told I am a very good photographer. My aunt asked me to do > her wedding. I was nervous but I did it anyway. The pictures turned > out great. I shot 100ISO Fuji slides, and I was wanting to start a > busniess and a webb page. HELP PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! Adrian Boliston - 24 Jul 2007 19:01 GMT > Take a look on my website. I just built it and on my links page is a > banner for Dot 5 Hosting. I used them and they have a website builder > that is included. It was pretty easy. Check it out. > http://www.bushongphotography.com If you have built your site using their "website builder" is it still possible to move your whole website to a new hosting company? Web hosting companies sometimes go bust, so that would be something to consider.
cheers adrian www.boliston.co.uk
Rob Morley - 24 Jul 2007 05:25 GMT In article <1185249507.932434.277130@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>, cowboy motorcyclecowboy11@yahoo.com says...
> I have been told I am a very good photographer. My aunt asked me to do > her wedding. I was nervous but I did it anyway. The pictures turned > out great. I shot 100ISO Fuji slides, and I was wanting to start a > busniess and a webb page. HELP PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! Sounds to me that you want advice on setting up a business, finance, marketing etc. rather than photography.
Pat - 24 Jul 2007 06:27 GMT > I have been told I am a very good photographer. My aunt asked me to do > her wedding. I was nervous but I did it anyway. The pictures turned > out great. I shot 100ISO Fuji slides, and I was wanting to start a > busniess and a webb page. HELP PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! Oh, so many comments, so little time.
1. You shot slides. Seriously, what'd you shoot.
2. Being a very good photographer really isn't enough. You need to be better than that. And you need people and tech skills. If you need help setting up your web site (which is a web site, not a webb site), then you need to study for a while.
3. I'm glad you aunt likes the pictures. Just out of curiosity, what was you plan if they didn't turn out "great".
4. Your aunt is biased.
5. Come on, seriously, what did you shoot. No one shoots slides at a wedding ... for SO many reasons.
6. Randall Ainsworth is a royal PITA but he occasionally makes some valid points. In this case, being nervous and hoping that they turn out isn't good enough. You need more skill and more confidence. Only when you get the confidence to shoot anything under any conditions should you think about it. You need to have the skill to know what to do when the sh*t hits the fan.
Randall Ainsworth - 24 Jul 2007 13:13 GMT > 6. Randall Ainsworth is a royal PITA but he occasionally makes some > valid points. In this case, being nervous and hoping that they turn > out isn't good enough. You need more skill and more confidence. Only > when you get the confidence to shoot anything under any conditions > should you think about it. You need to have the skill to know what to > do when the sh*t hits the fan. The world is full of idiots...and for some strange weddings they all want to shoot weddings.
Richard Polhill - 24 Jul 2007 13:44 GMT >> 6. Randall Ainsworth is a royal PITA but he occasionally makes some >> valid points. In this case, being nervous and hoping that they turn [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The world is full of idiots...and for some strange weddings they all > want to shoot weddings. "Strange weddings"? I presume you meant reasons? ;-)
Why is it that so many idiots think they can be wedding photographers? I think that being a good wedding photographer is probably one of the hardest fields for a photographer to operate in. The stakes are higher and the risk of failure is far greater than almost any other field.
theclyde - 24 Jul 2007 14:17 GMT > Why is it that so many idiots think they can be wedding photographers? Because the technology is available. Same reason that so many people think they can buy protools and be a producer, or install IIS and start their own web hosting company.
Richard Polhill - 24 Jul 2007 14:38 GMT >> Why is it that so many idiots think they can be wedding photographers? > > Because the technology is available. Same reason that so many people > think they can buy protools and be a producer, or install IIS and > start their own web hosting company. Frontpage and web developer. Ugh!
Randall Ainsworth - 24 Jul 2007 14:35 GMT > "Strange weddings"? I presume you meant reasons? ;-) Clumsy fingers early in the morning.
> Why is it that so many idiots think they can be wedding photographers? I > think > that being a good wedding photographer is probably one of the hardest fields > for a photographer to operate in. The stakes are higher and the risk of > failure is far greater than almost any other field. There are lots of opportunities to photograph weddings. They're happening all the time. And there's money to be made. But I certainly had my fill of spending Saturday nights at somebody else's parties. I miss creating the images, but don't miss the rest of it.
SteveB - 24 Jul 2007 16:46 GMT >>> 6. Randall Ainsworth is a royal PITA but he occasionally makes some >>> valid points. In this case, being nervous and hoping that they turn [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > "Strange weddings"? I presume you meant reasons? ;-) Is it a coincidence these weddings and receptions are held in houses with wheels, and anyone who has a functional camera is looked upon as a "good photographer" and asked to do the deed? Maybe it's just me.
You might be a redneck if .............
Steve
Pat - 24 Jul 2007 15:00 GMT On Jul 24, 8:13 am, Randall Ainsworth <r...@nospam.techline.com> wrote:
> In article <1185254842.419371.242...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Pat > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The world is full of idiots...and for some strange weddings they all > want to shoot weddings. Hey, I'm an idiot and I shoot weddings. But I don't shoot weddings *because* I'm an idiot. Hmmm. It must be something else.....
Actually, what I find amusing is that people think that good wedding pictures has a lot to do with being a good photographer when really photography is one of the more minor aspects of it. Any fool can trip a shutter. It is getting things to happen the way that you want them too -- without pissing off the bride -- that is the art. For example, you can't get a good picture of the best man toasting the groom, unless you've already told the best man how to do it. Otherwise he stands there with his head down and mumbles into a mic.
Richard Polhill - 24 Jul 2007 15:10 GMT > On Jul 24, 8:13 am, Randall Ainsworth <r...@nospam.techline.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > unless you've already told the best man how to do it. Otherwise he > stands there with his head down and mumbles into a mic. Which is why I refuse to do it if I can: I'm useless at it.
Hell I'm not very good at any other photography, but at least I don't need people skills for landscape, abstract or still life.
Problem is people will see you've got a big camera and assume you can do wedding photography, 'cause it's just snapshots with a fancy camera, innit?
Worse are those with the fancy cameras who don't know this is wrong.
JoeT - 24 Jul 2007 19:51 GMT > On Jul 24, 8:13 am, Randall Ainsworth <r...@nospam.techline.com> > wrote:
> Actually, what I find amusing is that people think that good wedding > pictures has a lot to do with being a good photographer when really [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > unless you've already told the best man how to do it. Otherwise he > stands there with his head down and mumbles into a mic. How can you separate being a good photographer from understanding and implementing proper composition? No matter how I try to look at it, this ability is part and parcel of being a good photographer. I don't care how good or bad your equipment, if you can't properly compose the image you need, you're just taking snapshots like cousin Zeek with his P&S.
Rob Morley - 25 Jul 2007 04:38 GMT > > On Jul 24, 8:13 am, Randall Ainsworth <r...@nospam.techline.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > good or bad your equipment, if you can't properly compose the image you > need, you're just taking snapshots like cousin Zeek with his P&S. He's not talking about separating anything - he's saying that shooting a wedding well is a lot more than just having a good eye and knowing how to fly the camera. You can't "capture the moment" if the moment isn't worth capturing (photographically speaking) so the photographer has to make sure that he gets the right people with the right people with the right expressions at the right time with the right lighting with the right composition with the right exposure with people who don't look or act like models and with minimal disruption of the main event.
SteveB - 25 Jul 2007 11:49 GMT > He's not talking about separating anything - he's saying that shooting a > wedding well is a lot more than just having a good eye and knowing how [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > right composition with the right exposure with people who don't look or > act like models and with minimal disruption of the main event. Mr. Morley is spot on correct. There is a HUGE difference between "shooting a wedding" and being professional wedding photographers.
I shall only share my experience to illustrate the difference. We had some friends who do professional photography. They are good. They are expensive. By the time we were through with the wedding, we had seen them so many times they were just about off our friends list. There's pictures before the wedding, during the wedding, after the wedding, and at the reception. All of the time, these two are explaining what they are going to do, and what they want you to do. It was like being in a movie. BUT, we have some OUTSTANDING wedding pictures, including "portrolages" (hope I got that correct). They are combinations of about ten or twelve shots on one large picture. You can't see a clone mark or a seam or anything. You would have to look at our pictures to see what I am talking about. Lots and lots of pictures up to 18x24.
On the other hand, you have someone who is good at taking pictures. He/she/it/they may also be good at capturing the moment and getting the right people together for the right shots. But it takes years of experience, and most importantly the ability of getting a lot of tired frustrated half drunk people, many of which don't like each other, to stand this way and that, turn a little, third from the left lift your chin, etc, etc, etc.
These people earned their money, and believe me, it was a sizeable chunk of change. Some friends of ours were getting married in California. She retired from Bristol Meyers Squibb, and he from financial planning, and moneywise make us look like Ma and Pa Kettle. We offered to fly our photogs down there as a wedding present. They would have to pay for the pictures. They declined. They used their photogs and THEY GOT HORRIBLE PICTURES, in some of the shots, the most important person(s) were misaligned or missing. They missed standard shots usually included in a wedding package. They were thoroughly disappointed in their wedding pictures. Over exposed. Under exposed. Misaligned. Just poor sloppy work. They had rented a whole winery in Temecula, California, had it catered with a GOOD sit down meal, a DJ, limos, you name it, they had it. After it was all said and done, they winced that they didn't take us up on the offer. But the moment was gone.
Lots of people have a good eye for roaming around and taking GOOD pictures at weddings. But there's a huge difference between those people and the skills, choreography and tact of a true wedding photographer team.
And to go from "How to get started in a photography business" to professional photographer takes a lot of time, and many people never get there. It's like playing a piano. You have the talent for it or you don't.
Steve
Pat - 28 Jul 2007 05:52 GMT > In article <kumdnYJdyaes1zvbnZ2dnUVZ_ryqn...@comcast.com>, JoeT > glitchwo...@comcast.net says... [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > right composition with the right exposure with people who don't look or > act like models and with minimal disruption of the main event. Yes, exactly. And once you do all of that, taking the picture is the easy part.
Floyd L. Davidson - 24 Jul 2007 20:38 GMT >> 6. Randall Ainsworth is a royal PITA but he occasionally makes some >> valid points. In this case, being nervous and hoping that they turn [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >The world is full of idiots...and for some strange weddings they all >want to shoot weddings. Why not? *You* did it, so obviously it *is* suitable for any idiot.
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smb - 25 Jul 2007 11:03 GMT >> 6. Randall Ainsworth is a royal PITA but he occasionally makes some >> valid points. In this case, being nervous and hoping that they turn [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >The world is full of idiots...and for some strange weddings they all >want to shoot weddings. Idiots? It takes one to know one. ;-)
The reason so many people with "nice" cameras are asked to shoot weddings is that many people don't want to spend the kind of money it takes to get a good wedding photographer. So they ask Cousin Bob or whoever to do it for free or for a nominal amount.
I saw a survey recently that listed wedding photographers among the top of the most overpaid professions, right up there with lawyers. If you have the organizational and people skills, it can be very lucrative. Being a technically competent photographer is a given, as anyone with the right gear and a halfway good knowledge of the craft can handle that aspect of it. The skill is in getting the people to do what you want them to do and to have a straight face when you tell them what you charge for the job.
Steve
Richard Polhill - 25 Jul 2007 11:14 GMT > The reason so many people with "nice" cameras are asked to shoot > weddings is that many people don't want to spend the kind of money it > takes to get a good wedding photographer. So they ask Cousin Bob or > whoever to do it for free or for a nominal amount. Yes. Note the term "good photographer".
> I saw a survey recently that listed wedding photographers among the > top of the most overpaid professions, right up there with lawyers. If [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > do what you want them to do and to have a straight face when you tell > them what you charge for the job. Overpaid? Maybe, but just consider the fallout if Cynthia and Ralph's wedding is "ruined" by a failure of the photographer to deliver.
The people management and reliability are the two main aspects and these are expensive. The best wedding photographer is your friend and can assert their will to get well composed formal and informal shots under any conditions coping with disasters, equipment failure, sickness, act of god, whatever without any stress on the wedding party.
It requires improvisational skill, project management and organizational skills, lots of contingency planning and very good insurance.
Being able to operate a camera is a minor part and as much a given as being able to drive a car is to being a taxi driver.
Having the resources to still provide the level of service expected even in the event of the death of the photographer is an expensive business.
Randall Ainsworth - 25 Jul 2007 13:06 GMT > The reason so many people with "nice" cameras are asked to shoot > weddings is that many people don't want to spend the kind of money it > takes to get a good wedding photographer. So they ask Cousin Bob or > whoever to do it for free or for a nominal amount. The reason people have non-professionals photograph weddings is that they're either cheap or they don't know a good photograph from a bad one.
> I saw a survey recently that listed wedding photographers among the > top of the most overpaid professions, right up there with lawyers. If [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > do what you want them to do and to have a straight face when you tell > them what you charge for the job. Straight from the mouth of someone who has no clue what they're talking about.
SteveB - 25 Jul 2007 13:47 GMT >> I saw a survey recently that listed wedding photographers among the >> top of the most overpaid professions, right up there with lawyers. If [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> do what you want them to do and to have a straight face when you tell >> them what you charge for the job. Don't forget about doctors. My heart surgeon charged $42,000. Was it worth it? Yes.
My lawyer charged me $700 to write a few letters and get my ex wife off my back. I'd been trying for ten years. Was it worth it? Yes.
I charge up to $2000 per day for what I do. Am I worth it? Yes.
No one is overpaid if they give services that are "worth it."
And if anyone thinks what the man wants is too much, they have the freedom to shop around for someone who has a "halfway good knowledge of the craft".
Personally, when I need a professional, I like to hire one.
Steve
smb - 25 Jul 2007 23:43 GMT >> The reason so many people with "nice" cameras are asked to shoot >> weddings is that many people don't want to spend the kind of money it [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Straight from the mouth of someone who has no clue what they're talking >about. Well, I think I know exactly what I'm talking about. Being a wedding photographer takes far more skill than just being able to point a camera and make nice pictures. That comes at a price, but most people experience sticker shock when they hear what that price is.
Most professional wedding photographers charge a lot of money for what they do, some are worthy of it and some are not.
Exactly what about that do you disagree with?
I would never want to be a wedding photographer because it takes far more time and energy than I'm willing to devote to be able to do a good job at it. The money may be good, but my personal time and sanity are more important to me. :-)
Steve
Richard Polhill - 24 Jul 2007 13:45 GMT > 5. Come on, seriously, what did you shoot. No one shoots slides at a > wedding ... for SO many reasons. I once did. I was asked to cover the wedding under duress - and certainly not for money. I thought I'd use the best quality film I had to hand, Velvia.
Yeah I know now. Lovely colourful shots, mind.
Gerald Place - 24 Jul 2007 09:11 GMT typing skills and spelling would be a start...
Gerald
>I have been told I am a very good photographer. My aunt asked me to do > her wedding. I was nervous but I did it anyway. The pictures turned > out great. I shot 100ISO Fuji slides, and I was wanting to start a > busniess and a webb page. HELP PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!
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