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Nikon D80 or D200

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Charlie - 24 Jun 2007 16:19 GMT
I currently have a D70 and a pile of lenses and accessories to go with
it (so I'm sticking with Nikon).  I'm doing more professional work,
including an upcoming aerial assignment that will require poster-size
enlargements, so I'm thinking about upgrading to a higher resolution body.

It seems to me that for the amount I want to spend, the choices are D80
or D200 - both 10.2 MP.  The D2X is too much for my budget.

I believe that the major difference between the D80 and D200 is the
magnesium body of the D200.  I don't think that warrants the additional
cost - at least not for me.

Are there other factors I'm overlooking?

Opinions appreciated.  Thanks,

Charlie
babaloo - 24 Jun 2007 17:16 GMT
Some off camera flash control options.
The larger D80/200 sensor can, under some common circumstances, yield images
that actually seem noisier than the smaller D70 sensors. Whether that is a
deal breaker is up to the user.
With upscaling software I am not sure that the larger sensor is all that
much better for larger prints. That is up to the individual user also.
On the other hand, one look through the larger, brighter viewfinder of the
D80/200 will convince most users of the value of the newer camera body.
Charlie - 24 Jun 2007 21:24 GMT
One more question as I decide on the D80 vs D200 as I upgrade from the
D70...

My D70 has an annoying habit of "hunting" in the autofocus mode.  It
will sometimes cycle end-to-end looking for a focus lock, even though it
should have already found one.

Does the D80 or D200 do better at this?

And does one focus faster than the other?

Thanks,

Charlie
Paul Furman - 25 Jun 2007 03:40 GMT
> One more question as I decide on the D80 vs D200 as I upgrade from the
> D70...
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>
> And does one focus faster than the other?

I would guess the D200 might do better but I have nothing to support it.
Good question.

The main differences between a D80 & D200 are the ability to meter with
old lenses & the improved accessibility to control features with knobs &
buttons versus menu diving. Stuff like AF & AE settings can be changed
with the flick of a finger with your eye to the lens, changing modes,
more info in the finder, etc... long list. If you don't think you'd use
those manual controls, don't like the extra weight & aren't interested
in old manual focus lenses then the D80 is for you.

Beware the rash opinionated judgements but here's a comparison with some
useful charts:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d80/vs-d200.htm

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Charlie - 25 Jun 2007 03:58 GMT
Excellent resource - THANKS!

Charlie
SteveB - 26 Jun 2007 18:02 GMT
> http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d80/vs-d200.htm

Thank you, Paul!  I was wrestling with a camera purchase, and this site
answered my questions and made up my mind.  A Nikon D 40 will be my next
camera.  I was considering a Canon xti.  There's just too many out there to
buy, and it is difficult to wade through all the information.  Thanks again.

Steve
Paul Furman - 26 Jun 2007 18:32 GMT
>>http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d80/vs-d200.htm
>
> Thank you, Paul!  I was wrestling with a camera purchase, and this site
> answered my questions and made up my mind.  A Nikon D 40 will be my next
> camera.  I was considering a Canon xti.  There's just too many out there to
> buy, and it is difficult to wade through all the information.  Thanks again.

Just... like I said... "Beware the rash opinionated judgements" on
there. I like that he does take the time to put together the comparison
charts but the conclusions can be misleading.

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Joel - 26 Jun 2007 20:29 GMT
> Thank you, Paul!  I was wrestling with a camera purchase, and this site
> answered my questions and made up my mind.  A Nikon D 40 will be my next
> camera.  I was considering a Canon xti.  There's just too many out there to
> buy, and it is difficult to wade through all the information.  Thanks again.
>
> Steve

    DSLR camera could be lifetime investment, so I would suggest to spend at
least few months to gather as much information as you can.  And instead of
reading some commercial review, I would suggest to check with some public
forums to read End Users' Feedbacks.

    If you just GOOGLE for few words and it may send you to some forum's there
you can read more feedbacks.  Some web like

www.dpreview.com
www.steves-digicams.comthere
www.photo.net  the forum doesn't have nice interface but good information

you can read the strong/weak point of both Canon and Nikon and go from
there.  Both companies have good cameras *but* there is more than just the
name, and what most reviews don't mention.
Oliver Costich - 27 Jun 2007 17:57 GMT
>> Thank you, Paul!  I was wrestling with a camera purchase, and this site
>> answered my questions and made up my mind.  A Nikon D 40 will be my next
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>    DSLR camera could be lifetime investment, so I would suggest to spend at
>least few months to gather as much information as you can.

I disagree. A DSLR body is a short term investment, given the growth
rate of technology. Lenses are a long term investment so the big
decision is what brand to buy so that they can be used with future
bodies.

> And instead of
>reading some commercial review, I would suggest to check with some public
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>there.  Both companies have good cameras *but* there is more than just the
>name, and what most reviews don't mention.
Joel - 27 Jun 2007 19:57 GMT
> >> Thank you, Paul!  I was wrestling with a camera purchase, and this site
> >> answered my questions and made up my mind.  A Nikon D 40 will be my next
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> decision is what brand to buy so that they can be used with future
> bodies.

    I didn't say anything about BODY, but I meant the whole system which
includes *both* Body's (not any specific) and Lens.
Noons - 27 Jun 2007 02:55 GMT
> My D70 has an annoying habit of "hunting" in the autofocus mode.  It
> will sometimes cycle end-to-end looking for a focus lock, even though it
> should have already found one.

what you need is a larger aperture lens.  The focus hunts
because the AF sensors don't get enough light to decide on
a focus point.

> Does the D80 or D200 do better at this?

With the same lens and lght?  Not really: the problem is not
in the camera.

> And does one focus faster than the other?

the d200 and d80 are supposed to focus faster.  But again, that
depends a LOT on the lens: an AF-S lens will focus much faster than
an AF lens, with any camera body.

I'd suggest you spend some time considering upgrading your
lenses rather than coughing up for a "pro" body.  You won't gain
that much from 6MP to 10 anyway and both will let you
produce poster size prints.  What the 10MP will give you
is a bit of leeway in cropping.  Is that enough to invest in a new
body?  You can answer that, I can't.  Rest assured: both will
produce excellent posters.

Lenses matter a lot more for larger photos than megapixels.
There is a world of difference between an AF-S 70-200 f2.8 VR
and a vanilla 50-200 f4-5.6.  And it's not just letters.

Ken's site is good for lens evaluations but bear in mind
he's looking at them from the point of vue of the average snapshot
punter.  As such he might recommend what a more serious
photographer might not touch at all.

There is a reason why better lenses are more expensive and it
has nothing to do with average size photos. If you want to avoid
problems later on, look at any lens that has a constant max
aperture of around 2.8: these are usually the better gear and will go
a long way in avoiding focus problems.  Also, consider AF-S and
VR: both can be important.

Don't forget a tripod or at the very least a monopod: either can save
you a lot of "out of focus" shots.
No One - 25 Jun 2007 12:07 GMT
> I currently have a D70 and a pile of lenses and accessories to go with
> it (so I'm sticking with Nikon).  I'm doing more professional work,
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>
> Charlie

The D200 has more software in them than the D80.  It also has 4 lines
from the sensor to the memory card, instead of two.  The D200 also uses
the Compact Flash, while D80 uses Secure Digital.
 
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