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Photo Forum / General Photo Topics / General Topics / April 2007First Paying Gig - How much should I charge?
There is a small concert promoter who is doing battle of the bands concerts throughout the US with finals in Denver. I walked into one of his shows just to get some pictures and, after sending him some at his request, he liked them and wants to hire me for another Texas show. It is for two nights from 7PM to 1AM. I estimate around 3000 to 4000 exposures all together. Each band will get about 25 exposures or so on a CD. There are 16 bands all together. I just walked in there to get some pictures for my local photograpy club contests and never expected to get hired. I have no earthly idea what to charge. This guy is probably not going to pay professional rates (or maybe he does... I don't know - just my hunch). What would be a fair price to charge him that he won't blow me off? thanks, Jiim > There is a small concert promoter who is doing battle of the bands > concerts [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > thanks, > Jiim tell hime the amount of work that is involved. 4000 pics sorting them. puting onto cd`s maybe printing some out. (use one of those shops that do the prints while you wait.... cheaper than printing your own) start at 150gbp per night = 300gbp for 2 nights. if he haggles, reduce by 050gbp =250gbp > There is a small concert promoter who is doing battle of the bands concerts > throughout the US with finals in Denver. I walked into one of his shows [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > professional rates (or maybe he does... I don't know - just my hunch). What > would be a fair price to charge him that he won't blow me off? I'm not a pro and don't play one on tv. Offhand if it's a shoot and run after giving him the CD's I'd charge at least $100 per hour (and thinking of $200), plus travel expenses with a $750 kill fee. (Consider the venue size, advertising that he is pulling in and so on as a barometer to what you charge). Don't forget he's paying for: -your time (travel, shooting, editing, burning CD's) -your ability (which we'll assume is at least decent) -your capital equipment -your attendant expenses (travel, CD's) -your insurance (whether you have it or you're self-insured) A 6 hour realtime shoot in band-decibels is GRUELING! I did a small college battle of the bands a few years ago... arggh. You might price it differently according to product (each CD for $100; max 25 full rez images per CD). You might make it a flat fee for two nights with a kill fee. You might consider that you retain all rights and shoot for free. You get experience and portfolio and if any of the bands want to use an image (albums, web, posters) you can then charge $500 - $1000 for the image use rights. Talk to the man and work something out. What are his expectations? Cheers, Alan.  Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. What is a kill fee? >> There is a small concert promoter who is doing battle of the bands >> concerts [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > Cheers, > Alan. > What is a kill fee? Freelance cancellation fee. Once you're booked you're no longer available for another gig. So if the customer cancels you at the last minute your time can't be marketed. You agree to a kill fee in advance. This is to avoid sloppy bookings and a reasonable compromise if the event (or the need for you as a photog) is cancelled. I put that in there although it is a bit much for us amateurs to propose to a potential client as we likely did not have other revenue shoot potential that day/evening. Cheers, Alan Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. wfear ear plugs, those foam ones, AND a sound attenuating headset; like the ones the guys wear when they are running jackhamers. and i'm not kidding, you will be working hard and fast, noise is very fatiguing. >> There is a small concert promoter who is doing battle of the bands concerts >> throughout the US with finals in Denver. I walked into one of his shows [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >Cheers, >Alan. > wfear ear plugs, those foam ones, AND a sound attenuating headset; > like the ones the guys wear when they are running jackhamers. and i'm > not kidding, you will be working hard and fast, noise is very > fatiguing. i just did an 11-hour shoot at house of blues recently, and i couldn't agree more. i'm a musician by trade so i'm used to high s.p.l.'s (and used to wearing hearing protection), but being subject to it from *front of house* for hours on end is another thing altogether. stage volume is *nothing* compared to what can come out of a group of 18" speakers out front. if you start shooting live music on a consistent basis, i highly-recommend these. expensive, yes, but worth every penny: http://www.ultimateears.com/custom/ER-25_earplugs.htm significantly better than anything else i've ever used. i didn't start using hearing protection until a few years into my playing career (1989 or so), which unfortunately resulted in mild tinnitus. i wouldn't wish *that* upon my worst enemy. well, maybe my WORST enemy. Signaturenick http://www.nickamoroso.com http://www.bradydrums.com "What's Live 8?" ~ Boris Kosse > There is a small concert promoter who is doing battle of the bands > concerts [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > thanks, > Jiim Will there be any groupies? This may sound like a fun night out, but to me it sounds like about four or five days of work. Going through thousands, making 16 finished CDs with 25 pics each. No matter how you to, there will be cropping, resizing, cloning, retouching, etc. What are you worth? Fifty bucks times 40 hours comes out to $2,000. Will you have a bar tab? Will it be cash? Will he take taxes out of this? Will it go on a 1099 form, and you have to cough up the taxes at the end of the year? Are you going to need an assistant to help you change cameras, lenses, memory cards? Or just to keep an eye on the rest of the gear while you're taking pictures? How much will you have to pay that person? And again, will there be groupies? It's not a simple couple of nights of four hours work. Travel time, motel costs, food costs, etc, etc, etc. Steve How I wish there would be groupies. If I were a good looking 25 year old, there no doubtedly would be but I'm a fat bald 45 year old so, I guess I'm SOL! LOL! It's a 45 minute trip over there and I carry a bag with an f/1.4 50mm, f/2.8 17-55mm, f/2.8 10.5mm fish-eye, and a shoulder soft case with an f/2.8 70-200mm. I use all four lenses during each set and, so far, have managed with just the one bag and the lens case for the 200. I called one of the photographers that does work for him whose pix were on his site to see what he charges. That may have been a bad professional move now that I come to think of it. The guy is 800 miles away so, he's not competition, but it may not have looked very good. >> There is a small concert promoter who is doing battle of the bands >> concerts [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Steve |
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