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Nick Amoroso - 27 Apr 2007 09:10 GMT anyone have any experience with adobe lightroom? what do you think of the program? thanks.
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poppy - 27 Apr 2007 10:03 GMT i did the virtual "tour" wrong word i know, on their website. i am impressed. not quite sure if it is stand alone ? would love to try the 30 day trial. ~poppy
> anyone have any experience with adobe lightroom? what do you think of the > program? thanks. nsag - 27 Apr 2007 16:21 GMT For users who create large number of images under similar conditions, i.e. studio, and who are knowledgeable about digital image manipulation, Lightroom can be a useful tool. In addition to batch processing it allows for complex groupings of images and creation of presentation packages. Lightroom is not intended as a standalone raw converter and is, in fact, far less capable in this regard than other raw converters, including the Adobe converter in Photoshop. The raw tools in Lightroom are limited and seem best used for images made under controlled conditions that require limited global tweaks. The intrepid can do much of what Lightroom does from within CS3 but not as rapidly. Lightoom contains only a miniscule subset of the image processing tools contained in Photoshop because it is not intended as a substitute for Photoshop.
Joel - 27 Apr 2007 19:08 GMT > For users who create large number of images under similar conditions, i.e. > studio, and who are knowledgeable about digital image manipulation, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > tools contained in Photoshop because it is not intended as a substitute for > Photoshop. Well, because I read so many book authors and web masters sang so many good songs about Lightroom, and I can't get CS3 beta installed on my system etc.. and because the educational price is cheap enough so I gave it a try, and I have some mix feeling about LightRoom
- It does have some good points, but can't be able to disable some setting and save as default setting. I got tired of sliding them off manually every single image, so I used it less and less
- I don't like the preview which doesn't seem right, and little too slow for my state. Me, because I like to work on detail so I often have my eyes glued to the image to see little changing, but for some reason the slider and displaying don't communicate with each other as smooth as I want. or because I can't get the ARC off my mind (??)
- And because it doesn't work well with Photoshop (extra keys to launch Photoshop) and all important images have to go through Photoshop. So to me, LightRoom isn't for me (it would be great tool for others who don't use Photoshop or launch Photoshop from Lightroom).
... and I have finally have CS3 installed on my system (2 days ago) after months of reading about error reports, and installing problem I had with the CS3 beta. But CS3 went pretty well with only few small bubble on installing. But because I just have my medicine increased so I don't feel very good to start exploding the new CS3 yet (even after months of waiting to get my hand on) <bg>
Celcius - 27 Apr 2007 16:38 GMT > anyone have any experience with adobe lightroom? what do you think of the > program? thanks. Hi Nick! I installed Lightroom and tried it for a while. Mind you I wasn't used to it. Somehow, it seemed to have "automatic" modifications, unlike Photoshop CS2 which I'm currently using. nsag is right. Batch processing of images taken in similar conditions is great. However, to work on an image for special effects, Photoshop is better. Marcel
Nick Amoroso - 27 Apr 2007 18:49 GMT thanks for the replies thus far. i'm basically looking for something to reign in my hundreds and hundreds of photos scattered all over my hard drive; need to get a little more organized. it seems as though this program will help with that. i'm just wondering if the features are worth the cost.
i never realized that being a digital photographer would make me such a PACK RAT. can't. erase. anything!
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>> anyone have any experience with adobe lightroom? what do you think of the >> program? thanks. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > special effects, Photoshop is better. > Marcel jrblack10@gmail.com - 27 Apr 2007 20:52 GMT > anyone have any experience with adobe lightroom? what do you think of the > program? thanks. > > -- > nickhttp://www.nickamoroso.comhttp://www.bradydrums.com > "What's Live 8?" ~ Boris Kosse I have been using Lightroom for a few months now and I couldn't see living with out it. Yeah, it is at times a bit slow on processing images, thought it may be my system resources, but all the other beniffits outweigh that. I do a lot of "event" photography, sporting events, parties, portraits and/or other photo shoots, and the ability to manage, sort, filter all the images is just great. The ability to make White Ballance, Vibrance, Sharpening, Exposure changes and more to one picture in a set of pictures and then be able to sync those changes to all other pictures in the set is just great! Printing, Exporting to files or to Web HTML or FLASH is great also. All changes are stored in a database and not made to the images till you print, or export the images, so at any time you can easily undo and redo.
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Joel - 27 Apr 2007 21:32 GMT > > anyone have any experience with adobe lightroom? what do you think of the > > program? thanks. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > are stored in a database and not made to the images till you print, or > export the images, so at any time you can easily undo and redo. Lightroom isn't a bad aps (especially it cost my only $100), and if I don't have to work on detail and combination with Photoshop then I may be happy as dog.
But because the way it works with Photoshop isn't as sweet as ARC, and the displaying doesn't seem right, and few small annoying thing. I find myself using Lightroom less and less, and happy to get back to ARC and CS3 again (I haven't had much chance to play with CS3 yet because of some health problem).
Yes, Lightroom does have few neat options that I want to see on ARC, and it seems to work little different than ARC as well as some slow react to the slider can drive me banana. I did try about 40-60 images (not important but local parish event), and if I used ARC or Photoshop then I should have 2-3 hundreds done (well, I didn't spend all enegry because it was in learning process and longer break because of few small frustration <bg>).
Or may be because I am little so used to ARC, and I may need more time to get to know Lightroom a little more?
jrblack10@gmail.com - 30 Apr 2007 14:22 GMT > "jrblac...@gmail.com" <jrblac...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > anyone have any experience with adobe lightroom? what do you think of the [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > Or may be because I am little so used to ARC, and I may need more time to > get to know Lightroom a little more? OK Joel, you have my interest. When I started digital photography I used to just shoot and print, like it was film. Then I experimented with Photoshop and Paintshop Pro for processing and tweaking one picture at a time. Then tried Picasa. Recently I have gotten into doing more photography not just for me but for clients and sporting events. Once I tried LightRoom, I now find it indispensable.
But, what is ARC?
Jim
Joel - 30 Apr 2007 18:19 GMT <snip>
> OK Joel, you have my interest. When I started digital photography I > used to just shoot and print, like it was film. Then I experimented > with Photoshop and Paintshop Pro for processing and tweaking one > picture at a time. Then tried Picasa. Recently I have gotten into > doing more photography not just for me but for clients and sporting > events. Once I tried LightRoom, I now find it indispensable. It's pretty much depending on your requirement and how much you know Photoshop, and like I have mentioned that for most people who just need some color/contrast adjusting, and explose recovery etc. then Lightroom or any RAW converter should be a good tool. And especially for one who uses batch-converting to apply the same adjustment to the similar photos.
And if you know Photoshop well, then you may have realize besides some advantage of the RAW format, RAW converter just have a small number of adjusting tools available in few menus (groups) making thing easier for user (especially new user) to use and reducing the amount of learning time to may be few weeks to few months to get used to with the interface and how the tools work. Or if you comparing the number of commands you may find that Photoshop not only have them all (or 99.x%), but possible 20-30X more options than what most RAW converters have. So if you photograph sport, landscape, local communitee events etc. then you may be able to get by with just Lightroom or any RAW converter. But if you work on detail photo then you will need the strength of Photoshop which is photo editor/retoucher, when Lightroom is RAW converter.
> But, what is ARC? ARC = Adobe RAW Converter which is part of Photoshop (CS2 & CS3, some RAW version works with CS and some version of Element? I'm not Element user to remember).
Just like all other RAW Converters, ARC works similar to Lightroom in general. And Adobe tries knock most other RAW Converters out of the race, and build up a larger Photoshop user database so they design Lightroom for digital photographers who are not ready for photo retouching. Or many may become Photoshop users.
Because the new medicine causes some side effect, so I haven't had much chance to explode the new CS3 and ARC v4 to know more about the differences. But I know that Lightroom has more options (may not be useful but it has more), and some commands seem to work little different than ARC (I mean they give different effect, or different calculation).
> Jim
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