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Nick Amoroso - 27 Apr 2007 09:10 GMT
anyone have any experience with adobe lightroom? what do you think of the
program? thanks.

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poppy - 27 Apr 2007 10:03 GMT
i did the virtual "tour" wrong word i know, on their website.
i am impressed.  not quite sure if it is stand alone ? would love to try the
30 day trial.
~poppy

> anyone have any experience with adobe lightroom? what do you think of the
> program? thanks.
nsag - 27 Apr 2007 16:21 GMT
For users who create large number of images under similar conditions, i.e.
studio, and who are knowledgeable about digital image manipulation,
Lightroom can be a useful tool. In addition to batch processing it allows
for complex groupings of images and creation of presentation packages.
Lightroom is not intended as a standalone raw converter and is, in fact, far
less capable in this regard than other raw converters, including the Adobe
converter in Photoshop. The raw tools in Lightroom are limited and seem best
used for images made under controlled conditions that require limited global
tweaks.
The intrepid can do much of what Lightroom does from within CS3 but not as
rapidly. Lightoom contains only a miniscule subset of the image processing
tools contained in Photoshop because it is not intended as a substitute for
Photoshop.
Joel - 27 Apr 2007 19:08 GMT
> For users who create large number of images under similar conditions, i.e.
> studio, and who are knowledgeable about digital image manipulation,
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> tools contained in Photoshop because it is not intended as a substitute for
> Photoshop.

    Well, because I read so many book authors and web masters sang so many
good songs about Lightroom, and I can't get CS3 beta installed on my system
etc.. and because the educational price is cheap enough so I gave it a try,
and I have some mix feeling about LightRoom

- It does have some good points, but can't be able to disable some setting
and save as default setting.  I got tired of sliding them off manually every
single image, so I used it less and less

- I don't like the preview which doesn't seem right, and little too slow for
my state.  Me, because I like to work on detail so I often have my eyes
glued to the image to see little changing, but for some reason the slider
and displaying don't communicate with each other as smooth as I want.  or
because I can't get the ARC off my mind (??)

- And because it doesn't work well with Photoshop (extra keys to launch
Photoshop) and all important images have to go through Photoshop.  So to me,
LightRoom isn't for me (it would be great tool for others who don't use
Photoshop or launch Photoshop from Lightroom).

    ... and I have finally have CS3 installed on my system (2 days ago) after
months of reading about error reports, and installing problem I had with the
CS3 beta.  But CS3 went pretty well with only few small bubble on
installing.  But because I just have my medicine increased so I don't feel
very good to start exploding the new CS3 yet (even after months of waiting
to get my hand on) <bg>
Celcius - 27 Apr 2007 16:38 GMT
> anyone have any experience with adobe lightroom? what do you think of the
> program? thanks.

Hi Nick!
I installed Lightroom and tried it for a while. Mind you I wasn't used to
it. Somehow, it seemed to have "automatic" modifications, unlike Photoshop
CS2 which I'm currently using. nsag is right. Batch processing of images
taken in similar conditions is great. However, to work on an image for
special effects, Photoshop is better.
Marcel
Nick Amoroso - 27 Apr 2007 18:49 GMT
thanks for the replies thus far.  i'm basically looking for something to
reign in my hundreds and hundreds of photos scattered all over my hard
drive;  need to get a little more organized.  it seems as though this
program will help with that.  i'm just wondering if the features are worth
the cost.

i never realized that being a digital photographer would make me such a PACK
RAT.  can't.  erase.  anything!

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>> anyone have any experience with adobe lightroom? what do you think of the
>> program? thanks.
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> special effects, Photoshop is better.
> Marcel
jrblack10@gmail.com - 27 Apr 2007 20:52 GMT
> anyone have any experience with adobe lightroom? what do you think of the
> program? thanks.
>
> --
> nickhttp://www.nickamoroso.comhttp://www.bradydrums.com
> "What's Live 8?" ~ Boris Kosse

I have been using Lightroom for a few months now and I couldn't see
living with out it.  Yeah, it is at times a bit slow on processing
images, thought it may be my system resources, but all the other
beniffits outweigh that.  I do a lot of "event" photography, sporting
events, parties, portraits and/or other photo shoots, and the ability
to manage, sort, filter all the images is just great.  The ability to
make White Ballance, Vibrance, Sharpening, Exposure changes and more
to one picture in a set of pictures and then be able to sync those
changes to all other pictures in the set is just great!  Printing,
Exporting to files or to Web HTML or FLASH is great also.  All changes
are stored in a database and not made to the images till you print, or
export the images, so at any time you can easily undo and redo.

Check out some video tutorials here:
http://www.whibalhost.com/_Tutorials/Photoshop_LR/06/index.html

http://www.whibalhost.com/_Tutorials/Photoshop_LR/08/index.html

Jim
Joel - 27 Apr 2007 21:32 GMT
> > anyone have any experience with adobe lightroom? what do you think of the
> > program? thanks.
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> are stored in a database and not made to the images till you print, or
> export the images, so at any time you can easily undo and redo.

    Lightroom isn't a bad aps (especially it cost my only $100), and if I
don't have to work on detail and combination with Photoshop then I may be
happy as dog.

    But because the way it works with Photoshop isn't as sweet as ARC, and the
displaying doesn't seem right, and few small annoying thing.  I find myself
using Lightroom less and less, and happy to get back to ARC and CS3 again (I
haven't had much chance to play with CS3 yet because of some health
problem).

    Yes, Lightroom does have few neat options that I want to see on ARC, and
it seems to work little different than ARC as well as some slow react to the
slider can drive me banana.  I did try about 40-60 images (not important but
local parish event), and if I used ARC or Photoshop then I should have 2-3
hundreds done (well, I didn't spend all enegry because it was in learning
process and longer break because of few small frustration <bg>).

    Or may be because I am little so used to ARC, and I may need more time to
get to know Lightroom a little more?
jrblack10@gmail.com - 30 Apr 2007 14:22 GMT
> "jrblac...@gmail.com" <jrblac...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > anyone have any experience with adobe lightroom? what do you think of the
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>         Or may be because I am little so used to ARC, and I may need more time to
> get to know Lightroom a little more?

OK Joel, you have my interest.  When I started digital photography I
used to just shoot and print, like it was film.  Then I experimented
with Photoshop  and Paintshop Pro for processing and tweaking one
picture at a time. Then tried Picasa.  Recently I have gotten into
doing more photography not just for me but for clients and sporting
events.  Once I tried LightRoom, I now find it indispensable.

But, what is ARC?

Jim
Joel - 30 Apr 2007 18:19 GMT
<snip>
> OK Joel, you have my interest.  When I started digital photography I
> used to just shoot and print, like it was film.  Then I experimented
> with Photoshop  and Paintshop Pro for processing and tweaking one
> picture at a time. Then tried Picasa.  Recently I have gotten into
> doing more photography not just for me but for clients and sporting
> events.  Once I tried LightRoom, I now find it indispensable.

    It's pretty much depending on your requirement and how much you know
Photoshop, and like I have mentioned that for most people who just need some
color/contrast adjusting, and explose recovery etc. then Lightroom or any
RAW converter should be a good tool.  And especially for one who uses
batch-converting to apply the same adjustment to the similar photos.

    And if you know Photoshop well, then you may have realize besides some
advantage of the RAW format, RAW converter just have a small number of
adjusting tools available in few menus (groups) making thing easier for user
(especially new user) to use and reducing the amount of learning time to may
be few weeks to few months to get used to with the interface and how the
tools work.  Or if you comparing the number of commands you may find that
Photoshop not only have them all (or 99.x%), but possible 20-30X more
options than what most RAW converters have.

    So if you photograph sport, landscape, local communitee events etc. then
you may be able to get by with just Lightroom or any RAW converter.  But if
you work on detail photo then you will need the strength of Photoshop which
is photo editor/retoucher, when Lightroom is RAW converter.

> But, what is ARC?

ARC = Adobe RAW Converter which is part of Photoshop (CS2 & CS3, some RAW
version works with CS and some version of Element?  I'm not Element user to
remember).

    Just like all other RAW Converters, ARC works similar to Lightroom in
general.  And Adobe tries knock most other RAW Converters out of the race,
and build up a larger Photoshop user database so they design Lightroom for
digital photographers who are not ready for photo retouching.  Or many may
become Photoshop users.

    Because the new medicine causes some side effect, so I haven't had much
chance to explode the new CS3 and ARC v4 to know more about the differences.
But I know that Lightroom has more options (may not be useful but it has
more), and some commands seem to work little different than ARC (I mean they
give different effect, or different calculation).

> Jim
 
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