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Steve B - 27 Jan 2007 21:05 GMT
As simply as you can, explain the ISO setting to me.  How going up and down
affects the picture.  What do you use high setting for?  Low setting?

TIA

Steve
Wayne J. Cosshall - 27 Jan 2007 21:32 GMT
> As simply as you can, explain the ISO setting to me.  How going up and down
> affects the picture.  What do you use high setting for?  Low setting?
>
> TIA
>
> Steve

ISO controls how sensitive the camera is to light. Low ISO, like 100, is
less sensitive, high ISO, like 1600, is more sensitive. More sensitive
gives you faster exposures or smaller apertures or both. The cost of
going to higher apertures is more image noise, which looks like fine
speckles over the image. Best is to try different ISOs with your own
camera and work out what level is too noisy for your personal tastes for
general use and which level you can accept in a tough situation, like
low light.

Cheers,

Wayne

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Steve B - 27 Jan 2007 22:15 GMT
> As simply as you can, explain the ISO setting to me.  How going up and
> down affects the picture.  What do you use high setting for?  Low setting?
>
> TIA
>
> Steve

I do hundreds of pictures at a time of properties.  They need to be 640 x
480 so that they will fit in the Corel format they will end up in.  For
those smaller pictures, would I use higher or lower ISO.  I would like the
best picture quality.  ALL of the photography is done in the middle of the
day and only on sunny days.

Next, I use my camera a lot for bird and animal photos in the 5.1 mp mode.
I like shooting in full sun, but I would say that's only 80% of the time,
the rest, various degrees of shade are involved.  I want the highest details
and depth of field.  What would be the best ISO for that?

Sorry I didn't post this info the first time.

Steve
Blah - 27 Jan 2007 22:59 GMT
If you have plenty of light you can use the lowest ISO possible.  Higher
ISOs are used in low light situations.  Image size is not important as far
as ISO is concerned.  Blah

>> As simply as you can, explain the ISO setting to me.  How going up and
>> down affects the picture.  What do you use high setting for?  Low
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>
> Steve
Steve B - 27 Jan 2007 23:02 GMT
> If you have plenty of light you can use the lowest ISO possible.  Higher
> ISOs are used in low light situations.  Image size is not important as far
> as ISO is concerned.

Thanks.  I only go photo properties when the sun is out.  Did a couple of
projects in cloudy weather, and close to sunset and ended up doing them
over.

Thanks.  Got it.  Low ISO for full sun for the type of pics I am taking.

Steve
Jeff R. - 27 Jan 2007 23:20 GMT
> If you have plenty of light you can use the lowest ISO possible.  Higher
> ISOs are used in low light situations.  Image size is not important as far
> as ISO is concerned.  Blah

Unless you don't want the noise to be visible.

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Jeff R.
Felder - 27 Jan 2007 23:27 GMT
> > As simply as you can, explain the ISO setting to me.  How going up and
> > down affects the picture.  What do you use high setting for?  Low setting?
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>
> Steve

Lower ISO = higher quality. So an ISO of 100 would be better than an
ISO of 400. The higher ISO - the more "grainy" the picture. Consider
using a tripod or mono-pod if your're not already using one. Nothing
will take away from quality like a slight blur from camera shake. If
you're not using a tripod, shoot with shutter speed of at least 125.
More if you're using zoom.

For the animal photos, if you have any unwanted blur from the animal's
movement you could simply increase shutter speed. But, increasing
shutter speed will mean the aperature will have to increase to let in
more light (lower f/ number). The more the aperature increases (lower
f/ number) then the less depth of field you will have. A solution here
would be to go to a higher ISO setting. Doing this will make the
camera more sensitive to light so then you can decrease the aperature
(higher f/ number)  and get more depth of field. Smaller aperature =
more depth of field. It's a matter of what kind of situation you're in
as to what ISO you're going to need. But, the lower ISO will give you
the best quality.

-Felder

-Felder
Floyd L. Davidson - 27 Jan 2007 23:31 GMT
>> As simply as you can, explain the ISO setting to me.  How going up and
>> down affects the picture.  What do you use high setting for?  Low setting?
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>best picture quality.  ALL of the photography is done in the middle of the
>day and only on sunny days.

Image size is not related to ISO, hence you can have 640x480
images that are made at any ISO setting your camera has.

You can take pictures at any size larger than 640x480 and then
later reduce them to 640x480.  The single difficulty would be if
the image has a different vertical to horizontal ratio, as that
would mean trimming off part of the image to make it fit the
640x480 perspective.

As far as ISO goes, generally images will be better when lower
ISO settings are used.  Given your description, it would
probably be safe to simply say set the camera a the lowest ISO
number it has, and go for it.  (In reality, that isn't true with
some cameras, and you might want to just set the ISO to 100,
even if there are lower values.  Either way should be fine.)

>Next, I use my camera a lot for bird and animal photos in the 5.1 mp mode.
>I like shooting in full sun, but I would say that's only 80% of the time,
>the rest, various degrees of shade are involved.  I want the highest details
>and depth of field.  What would be the best ISO for that?

That depends on the camera.  Generally, the same discussion as
above applies.  As you increase the ISO (e.g., to 200, 400, 800
and so on) there will be more noise.  The difference between ISO
100 and ISO 200 might be very difficult to detect with some
cameras.  It will probably be a quite noticeable difference at
400.  Only the best digital cameras produce even usable barely
images at ISO 800 and above.

The difference between 50, 100 and 200 is probably small, and
might be used to allow different aperture and shutter speeds
(for creative effects).  Generally going to ISO 400 and above is
done only because light is insufficient for lower values, and it
will trade higher noise for the ability to even get an image.

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Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)                         floyd@apaflo.com

john bates - 28 Jan 2007 13:24 GMT
> >> As simply as you can, explain the ISO setting to me.  How going up and
> >> down affects the picture.  What do you use high setting for?  Low setting?
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> Floyd L. Davidson            <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)                         floyd@apaflo.com

*** Hi Floyd, a great site very cleverly designed, wonderful pictures,
      fascinating in all aspects so much interesting information.
      Another world, one that is so harsh I could never cope with, but
      love just the same.
      Many thanks for making it available for all to see.
     John.
Floyd L. Davidson - 28 Jan 2007 21:20 GMT
>> Floyd L. Davidson            <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
>> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)                         floyd@apaflo.com
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>       Many thanks for making it available for all to see.
>      John.

Thank you for so many words of such kindness!

Barrow is one of the most exciting places in the world to live.
It's an all day adventure every day.  Because of that the people
here bond together in a way that is very hard to find elsewhere.
The population is about 60% Inupiat Eskimo, and the rest is an
international mix that includes Native Hawaiians, Samoans,
Filipinos, Thais, Mexicans, Americans, Koreans and a few other
odds and ends.

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Floyd L. Davidson            <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)                         floyd@apaflo.com

john bates - 28 Jan 2007 23:07 GMT
> >> Floyd L. Davidson            <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
> >> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)                         floyd@apaflo.com
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> Filipinos, Thais, Mexicans, Americans, Koreans and a few other
> odds and ends.

> Floyd L. Davidson            <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)                         floyd@apaflo.com

*** That's amazing, such a mix living in harmony, I have the feeling
       that the rest of the world needs to know how you all manage it.
       Best wishes.
       John.
Floyd L. Davidson - 29 Jan 2007 01:15 GMT
>> >> Floyd L. Davidson            <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
>> >> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)                         floyd@apaflo.com
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>        Best wishes.
>        John.

You hit that nail on the head!  It is indeed really interesting.

There are two factors that make the difference.  One is the
harsh and shear excitement of the location/weather etc.  The
other has to do with that 60% Inupiat Eskimo population.  In all
other villages on the North Slope they are about 95% of the
population; and the effect is that they are the ones who control
the political machinery and the government here.  The rest of us
are merely along for the ride.  This is *their* home, and we are
all visitors.

European/Western observers came to Alaska in the middle 1700's,
and for roughly 225 years *every* *single* *one* of them
recorded the "fact" that Eskimos had a "simple" culture that
didn't even have any form of governance.  None!  Prior to about
1970 there simply is not even *one* record of any Western
observer claiming otherwise.

But in the late 1960's, after the US and Canada had been sending
Eskimo children off to boarding schools in order to make
"Whitemen" out of them, a generation of children grew up not
knowing anything about their culture...  and Eskimo elders began
to look for ways to counter that.  The first thing they did was
hire an anthropologist to record parts of their culture, in
hopes that it could be taught to their children in those
boarding schools.  They explained the *very* *complex* system of
governance, that was literally so slick that Westerners simply
had not been able to recognize that it existed.  (Since about
1975 virtually nobody claims that Eskimos have no governance!)

Our Western government consist, more than anything else, of a
great deal of heat, light and sound, with few actual results.
Eskimos avoid the heat, light and sound, and concentrate on
results.

Government here benefits from Inupiat heritage.  For example,
every elected mayor of the North Slope Borough has been an
accomplished whaling captain.  Managing a whaling crew that
feeds the entire community is an excellent indicator of ability!

Some of my photography is aimed at a display of that culture, as
is my web page.  (Unfortunately most of what I do is take
pictures of people, and I am very hesitant about putting much of
that on the Internet.)

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Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)                         floyd@apaflo.com

Steve B - 29 Jan 2007 06:07 GMT
>>> >> Floyd L. Davidson            <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
>>> >> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)                         floyd@apaflo.com
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> pictures of people, and I am very hesitant about putting much of
> that on the Internet.)

When the white man found the ignorant savages in North America, there was a
system where there were no taxes, where women did all the menial work, and
where men hunted and fished.

The white man said, "We're going to improve your way of life."
Floyd L. Davidson - 29 Jan 2007 06:27 GMT
>When the white man found the ignorant savages in North America, there was a
>system where there were no taxes, where women did all the menial work, and
>where men hunted and fished.
>
>The white man said, "We're going to improve your way of life."

There is a great deal of truth to that "joke".

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Floyd L. Davidson            <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)                         floyd@apaflo.com

john bates - 29 Jan 2007 20:32 GMT
> >> >> Floyd L. Davidson            <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
> >> >> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)                         floyd@apaflo.com
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> accomplished whaling captain.  Managing a whaling crew that
> feeds the entire community is an excellent indicator of ability!

*** I'm sure our government here in the UK would benefit
      immensely if that idea could be arranged, just as crew menber
      that is.

> Some of my photography is aimed at a display of that culture, as
> is my web page.  (Unfortunately most of what I do is take
> pictures of people, and I am very hesitant about putting much of
> that on the Internet.)

*** Understandable - violation of trust or / and privacy.
      Trying to get to reasons why there is such a bond between folk
      there in Barrow. The main reason being one would have to
     depend others in such conditions and I now appreciate that the
     Governance is another prime reason, but what about religion?
     Are there many churches for example, as there are in the States?
    My thanks again for the insight into your other wonderful World.
    I note, Barrow is just about the most northerly point in Alaska.
    John.

> Floyd L. Davidson            <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)                         floyd@apaflo.com
ray - 27 Jan 2007 23:14 GMT
> As simply as you can, explain the ISO setting to me.  How going up and down
> affects the picture.  What do you use high setting for?  Low setting?
>
> TIA
>
> Steve

ISO settings relate to the film speed (measured in the same units) for a
film camera. Each time the ISO setting is doubled (e.g. 400 to 800) then
the exposure time needed is doubled as well (given the same lens opening).
Basically, you have have three factors which control your exposure - lens
opening (f/stop), shutter speed and iso.

To get a decent understanding, you'll probably want to visit wikipedia.
 
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