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Comet McNaught Photographs on a 400D and in Infrared with a 350D

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Wayne J. Cosshall - 27 Jan 2007 07:36 GMT
Hi All,

I got back today from five days at the beach (hence my silence online
for that long :) and took photos of Comet McNaught with both my 400D and
my IR converted 350D. The results can be viewed at:
http://www.dimagemaker.com/article.php?articleID=852
or
http://tinyurl.com/2h93sl

Cheers,

Wayne

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Joan - 27 Jan 2007 07:48 GMT
Why did you use such high ISO settings?

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Wayne J. Cosshall - 27 Jan 2007 08:01 GMT
> Why did you use such high ISO settings?

I was in a public car park and there was lots of potential to disrupt a
shot and also since I was not guiding I wanted to keep the exposures to
30sec max.

Cheers,

Wayne

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M-M - 27 Jan 2007 11:16 GMT
>  since I was not guiding I wanted to keep the exposures to
> 30sec max.

Wonderful!

How is it the stars do not look like streaks with a 30 sec exposure?

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Wayne J. Cosshall - 27 Jan 2007 11:50 GMT
>>  since I was not guiding I wanted to keep the exposures to
>> 30sec max.
>
> Wonderful!
>
> How is it the stars do not look like streaks with a 30 sec exposure?

they are, in fact, short streaks but unless I zoom to 100% in PS you
really don't see it and certainly not at web resolution.

The trick to unguided or untracked astrophotography is to balance the
magnification you use (focal length of the lens) with the exposure and
print size so that the streaks will not be visible in the final image.
When I was doing this many moons ago (it is how I got started in
photography at 14) I found that a 50mm lens (on 35mm film) and a 30 sec
exposure gave a trail small enough I could do decent prints with them
(8x10 was my normal print size in those long distant days :).

So a wideangle lens will let you give a longer exposure before streaking
occurs whilst a telephoto will need a shorter exposure. It also makes a
difference to the length of the streaks whether you are pointing the
camera near to one of the celestial poles (N or S, depending on your
hemisphere and up proportional to your latitude) where there will be
less visible movement or near the celestial equator (roughly where the
moon, sun and planets appear to travel) where the movement will be largest.

Hope that helps.

Cheers,

Wayne

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Tim Duke - 27 Jan 2007 12:02 GMT
> Wonderful!
>
> How is it the stars do not look like streaks with a 30 sec exposure?

...because of the short focal length lens that was being used.  With a 50mm
lens and pointing at an object on the celectial equator (objects have a
greater angular velocity here), you can get away with around 20 second
exposures without trailing.

The maximum length of time you can expose for is somewhat dependant on where
the camera is pointing. If you are photographing the sky near the celestial
pole, (near the Pole star) then longer exposures can be taken as the stars
move shorter distances for a period of time, where as near the celestial
equator the stars are moving further in the same time span.

At 17 or 28mm, I would think you can get around 45 to 50 seconds without any
apparent star trailing.

All the best,

Tim
JohnR66 - 27 Jan 2007 14:22 GMT
>>  since I was not guiding I wanted to keep the exposures to
>> 30sec max.
>
> Wonderful!
>
> How is it the stars do not look like streaks with a 30 sec exposure?

Shooting at such a wide angle keeps the streaks rather short. Shooting at
50mm for 30 sec, the stars are a bunch of dash marks.
John
John McWilliams - 27 Jan 2007 18:12 GMT
> Why did you use such high ISO settings?

Why can't Joan post properly??

lsmft
Jeff R. - 27 Jan 2007 08:23 GMT
> Hi All,
>
> I got back today from five days at the beach (hence my silence online for
> that long :) and took photos of Comet McNaught with both my 400D and my IR
> converted 350D. The results can be viewed at:
> http://www.dimagemaker.com/article.php?articleID=852

Yo Baby!

I'd say you've cracked it, Wayne.
Good job.

--
Jeff R.
(jealous and stuck in cloud)
Bill - 28 Jan 2007 01:08 GMT
>Hi All,
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>Wayne

Is it still possible to see this in the northern hemisphere.
Specifically, southern Ohio.

Thanks.
Wayne J. Cosshall - 28 Jan 2007 01:22 GMT
>> Hi All,
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> Thanks.
Don't think so. It is in a fairly southern constellation if I remember
rightly and Ohio is probably too far north.

Cheers,

Wayne

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Bill - 28 Jan 2007 19:43 GMT
>>> Hi All,
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>Wayne

Thanks.

I forgot to comment on your pictures.

They are outstanding.  I just got a digital camera for Christmas and
am kind of lurking in this group to learn.
Wayne J. Cosshall - 28 Jan 2007 23:06 GMT
> Thanks.
>
> I forgot to comment on your pictures.
>
> They are outstanding.  I just got a digital camera for Christmas and
> am kind of lurking in this group to learn.

Thanks.

Best advice I can give you is to shoot a lot, shoot anything and
everything, read the camera manual and play, play, play. Also review
everything you shoot. Best here is to use a program where it is easy to
see the image plus camera settings at the same time. See what worked,
what didn't.

What camera did you get?

Cheers,

Wayne

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Bill - 30 Jan 2007 18:48 GMT
>>Best advice I can give you is to shoot a lot, shoot anything and
>everything, read the camera manual and play, play, play. Also review
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>Wayne

It turns out that I don't have an SLR, just a digital camera.

I have an HP Photosmart M425.

However, as soon as I learn, I will probably want to move up to an
SLR.

This was the first newsgroup I found, so I tuned in.  Newsgroups have
helped so much with my work that I naturally turn to them for a hobby
as well.

I'm off to buy Digital Photography for Dummies, which is appropriate
for my entry level.

I have an interest in old, cool-looking water towers of which we have
quite a few here in Cincinnati, Ohio, USA.  

It was when I started thinking about lenses and outside shots that I
started thinking maybe I did not have an SLR.

Thanks a lot.

Bill in Cincinnati
Jerry - 28 Jan 2007 05:31 GMT
> http://www.dimagemaker.com/article.php?articleID=852

Beautiful pictures, Wayne!!! Wish it had looked that good when I was
looking for it.

Jerry
Salinas, CA

> or
> http://tinyurl.com/2h93sl
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wayne
Wayne J. Cosshall - 28 Jan 2007 05:37 GMT
>> http://www.dimagemaker.com/article.php?articleID=852
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>> Wayne
There were marked changes across the four nights I saw it, so I think it
was very much a case of seeing it at the right time.

Cheers,

Wayne

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Mike Coon - 29 Jan 2007 19:08 GMT
> Hi All,
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> Wayne

I concur with the consensus that the photos are terrific. I guess that the
striations (that enhance the impression of a fountain cascade) are caused by
rotation of the comet.

Cheers, Mike.
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Wayne J. Cosshall - 30 Jan 2007 02:16 GMT
>> Hi All,
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> Cheers, Mike.
Hi Mike,

Thanks.

I assumed the striations were caused by episodes of greater and lesser
outgassing by the comet.

Cheers,

Wayne

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