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Do achromats shift an image?

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Doc - 30 Nov 2006 06:28 GMT
Trying to project movie film through a couple of 60mm achromats, as per
other posts in here. I've been trying to find the optimum distance to have
them apart to get the entire image within the confines of the lens. Have
them mounted on either end of a PVC pipe and keep trimming it down a little
at a time.

However, I find that when I have them lined up as exactly parallel to and
centered with the projector lens as I can make it, the image I see is
shifted to one side. In other words, when I look at the image reflected in
the end lens or in the mirror (mounted at 45 deg), on side of the frame runs
off the boundary of the lens while there's quite a bit of space on the other
side.

The only way I'm able to get the whole frame within the lens is either push
the lenses off to the side to where the projeced inage is aimed quite a bit
off-center, not pointing directly at the center of the lens. Or, skew the
angle of the pipe they'r mounted to so it's very noticeably off parallel
from the line of the projector lens.

Why is this happening? If the image is centered going into the first lenss
and they're both in line with and parallel to each other and the projected
image, shouldn't the image coming out the other end be centered within the
lens?

Thanks for all input.
Pat - 30 Nov 2006 15:27 GMT
This is just a wild-assed guess, but as Sherlock Holmes said, if you've
ruled out everything else, what you have left has to be the answer no
matter how probable it seems.

I wasn't sure what a achromat was so I Googled it.  It is a lens
designed for a specific wave-length of light.  Assuming you are NOT
using that color light, what happens?

Could you be getting some sort of prismatic effect where the light is
coming out at an angle because you are not using the "right" color
light.  If so, I would thing the "right color" would keep going through
"correctly" and you'd have 1 very specific color creating a ghost (or
dropping out of the image you are looking at).  You might get some
ghosting (or different colors shifting different amounts) if you
projected the image large enough.

Anyway, this is just a pure guess.  Good luck with it.

> Trying to project movie film through a couple of 60mm achromats, as per
> other posts in here. I've been trying to find the optimum distance to have
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>
> Thanks for all input.
Marvin - 30 Nov 2006 16:03 GMT
> This is just a wild-assed guess, but as Sherlock Holmes said, if you've
> ruled out everything else, what you have left has to be the answer no
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> designed for a specific wave-length of light.  Assuming you are NOT
> using that color light, what happens?
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If the achromatic lenses are of at least normal quality,
thye correct perfectly only at specific wavelengths, and
give partial correction at other wavelenghts.  In any case,
they would not shoft th eimage horizontally, if they are
properly installed.  The most likely explanation is that one
or more of the lenses are not properly positioned, probably
tilted.  Or the PVC pipe may not be exactly straight.
Colin_D - 30 Nov 2006 22:28 GMT
> This is just a wild-assed guess, but as Sherlock Holmes said, if you've
> ruled out everything else, what you have left has to be the answer no
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> designed for a specific wave-length of light.  Assuming you are NOT
> using that color light, what happens?

Nope.  An achromat lens is designed to be a-chromatic, that is, it
handles all colors equally.  A dictionary definition is: 'A lens which
is corrected for operation at different wavelengths of light, and is
hence achromatic. This is usually achieved by using more than 1 optical
element'.

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