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Minister of Information - 19 Aug 2006 14:45 GMT I will be attending the AMA races Labor Day weekend. Is there anyone here who has shot motorsports and motorcycle racing in particular who can share some insight or tips? I have a friend who will be racing that weekend so I expect to be able to get a hotpit pass and get about as up close and personal as possible.
Hoping to come back with lots of "umbrella girl" photos and maybe even a couple of bike photos.
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Mark W. Oots - 19 Aug 2006 15:17 GMT >I will be attending the AMA races Labor Day weekend. Is there anyone here >who has shot motorsports and motorcycle racing in particular who can share [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Hoping to come back with lots of "umbrella girl" photos and maybe even a > couple of bike photos. I shot stock cars, midgets and road racing for about ten years. One of the best tips I can give you is to pre-focus on a spot on the track where a car or bike is likely to be when they come by. Then, begin panning with the vehicle before it gets there and a split second before the pre-focus point is reached, fire the shutter. Continue to pan as the camera fires to keep it in frame through the lag time of taking the pic.
The best place to do this is at the apex of a corner. If you can get to the inside of the turn and stand at the center of the radius, it is a piece of cake.
One other hint, keep an eye on what's coming your way on the track. If you are close enough to the action to get a good frame of the racing, you are likely close enough to get smack by someone leaving the track on the inside of the turn. As soon as your fire the camera, snap your head back toward the action and see what else is coming along. Being on the inside of the turn helps, since anyone completely losing it mid-turn, will likely go off the outside.
If you can't get close to the action, just use a long lens and frame and shoot like any other action. Just keep your shutter speed up, unless you intend to show a lot of blur for effect.
Apex of corners are easiest, followed by entrance/exit of corners. Straights are tuff, unless you are shooting down the track. Bikes passing you at 90 degrees going 150+ MPH will be nearly impossible to shoot without tons of practice.
When you get back from the races, post some of the pics someplace so we can have a look.
Mark
Minister of Information - 19 Aug 2006 16:33 GMT I guess I should have added this in my original post. I will be shooting with my K-M Maxxum 5D. I have the standard 18-70mm lens and also 70-300mm lens. Any suggestions of f stops are greatly appreciated. This is probably my 5th or 6th time going to this race. I have photographed before but this will be my first time with a dslr. The sun is usually bright throughout the whole time I am there. I will be going up on Friday to watch the practice laps and roam around the pits when all is not so hectic. That will give me time to practice tracking the bikes with the new camera and also give time to scout out the best spots to try to set up.
I definitely will post some photos once I get back. Thanks for response.
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>>I will be attending the AMA races Labor Day weekend. Is there anyone here >>who has shot motorsports and motorcycle racing in particular who can share [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Mark Sheldon - 21 Aug 2006 04:24 GMT >I guess I should have added this in my original post. I will be shooting >with my K-M Maxxum 5D. I have the standard 18-70mm lens and also 70-300mm [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] >> >> Mark I agree with what Oats said. I've shot grand prix races and bike races with full credentials. Some of the best shots I got were on the outside of the turn, but you have to be very careful. Anything leaving the track will be headed right for you, and you won't see it coming. I've been knocked over once, and that was enough.
Bike races are fun, and one of the best places to be is on the inside of a turn with a wide lens, or on the outside with a long lens. Bikes will try to pass everywhere on the track, and a great place to pass is when everyone is braking into a turn, so you can get a bunch of bikes altogether at once and all leaned over at once.
Also, don't forget the pits. You can get some great shots and expressions as mechanics work on bikes and riders check over their bikes. Same with cars. If you have a really long lens, try and focus right in on the eyes of drivers through their helmets. Very cool, especially if you can get some other cars or bikes in the photo. Talk about concentration.
Most of all, have fun and take LOTS of pictures. Digital "film" is cheap. Be safe.
Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!) - 19 Aug 2006 16:04 GMT >I will be attending the AMA races Labor Day weekend. Is there anyone here >who has shot motorsports and motorcycle racing in particular who can share [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Hoping to come back with lots of "umbrella girl" photos and maybe even a >couple of bike photos. You need to keep watch of shutter speed when photographing moving objects but still wish to convey the essence of speed., so shutter priority can be helpful. You don't want such high shutter speeds at to totally freeze all motion, background, rotating wheels, etc. I'd start around 1/320 sec and move up n and down given the specific situation. And work a lot on getting a smooth panning motion to obtained a blurred background. Practice, practice, practice. -- Ed Ruf (Usenet2@EdwardG.Ruf.com) http://edwardgruf.com/Digital_Photography/General/index.html
Frank ess - 19 Aug 2006 17:27 GMT Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!) wrote:
>> I will be attending the AMA races Labor Day weekend. Is there >> anyone here who has shot motorsports and motorcycle racing in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > situation. And work a lot on getting a smooth panning motion to > obtained a blurred background. Practice, practice, practice. Sometimes you get lucky, applying the excellent advice from Mark and Ed: http://www.fototime.com/5DA20CF10A50ECC/orig.jpg 1983, I think. Wished it was Kodachrome rather than 'color. I just found a box of negatives; maybe it's in there and I can get a better scan than this one from a print.
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Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!) - 19 Aug 2006 18:34 GMT >Sometimes you get lucky, applying the excellent advice from Mark and >Ed: >http://www.fototime.com/5DA20CF10A50ECC/orig.jpg >1983, I think. Wished it was Kodachrome rather than 'color. I just >found a box of negatives; maybe it's in there and I can get a better >scan than this one from a print. Better than I did with the new monster 200-400 f/4 VR last Sat at VIR. For those who consider the 70-200 f/2.8 VR too big to carry around, it's not even a decent bicep training implement for this lens. :-)
Some of the better shots with some quick just EC applied in RSE, nothing really to write home about: http://edwardgruf.com/Digital_Photography/dSLR/VIR_2006-08-12/ -- Ed Ruf (Usenet2@EdwardG.Ruf.com) http://edwardgruf.com/Digital_Photography/General/index.html
Jay Beckman - 19 Aug 2006 18:38 GMT > Better than I did with the new monster 200-400 f/4 VR last Sat at VIR. For > those who consider the 70-200 f/2.8 VR too big to carry around, it's not [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Ed Ruf (Usenet2@EdwardG.Ruf.com) > http://edwardgruf.com/Digital_Photography/General/index.html FWIW,
I had a chance to shoot a little practice at Watkins Glen last Saturday...
http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/nascar
Jay Beckman Chandler, AZ (Feel free to wander around my galleries...pretty eclectic...)
Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!) - 19 Aug 2006 18:55 GMT >I had a chance to shoot a little practice at Watkins Glen last Saturday... > >http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/nascar Thanks. Though personally would have preferred http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/image/65231052 being reversed. Don't care about the folks along the fence. -- Ed Ruf (Usenet2@EdwardG.Ruf.com) http://edwardgruf.com/Digital_Photography/General/index.html
Frank ess - 19 Aug 2006 19:30 GMT Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!) wrote:
>> I had a chance to shoot a little practice at Watkins Glen last >> Saturday... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/image/65231052 > being reversed. Don't care about the folks along the fence. Thanks to Ed and Jay. Those are two places it must be great to be doing it.
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Jay Beckman - 19 Aug 2006 21:43 GMT >>I had a chance to shoot a little practice at Watkins Glen last Saturday... >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/image/65231052 > being reversed. Don't care about the folks along the fence. Reversed???
Jay
Richard H. - 19 Aug 2006 22:05 GMT >>Thanks. Though personally would have preferred >>http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/image/65231052 >>being reversed. Don't care about the folks along the fence. > > Reversed??? i.e., panned with the car, to freeze it and blur the spectators.
So, where do you like to shoot around Chandler?
I haven't done Nascar at PIR yet because it's a fair price to get in, then get the right access. I gather you're with a media team, so that's probably not a factor. :-)
Cheers, Richard
no_name - 20 Aug 2006 05:22 GMT >>>I had a chance to shoot a little practice at Watkins Glen last Saturday... >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Jay Car sharp, people blurred.
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John
Robert R Kircher, Jr. - 20 Aug 2006 07:05 GMT >> "Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!)" <egruf_usenet2@cox.net> wrote in >> message news:92kee2pdn2rhta6jvcpvss95svbhvav2hg@4ax.com... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Car sharp, people blurred. Personally I find nothing wrong with the blurred car pics. Here's one of mine. http://www.pbase.com/rkircher/image/60743328
The trick is to watch the background for distractions. Or try to make the background tell the story or be a part of the story.
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Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!) - 20 Aug 2006 15:13 GMT >Personally I find nothing wrong with the blurred car pics. Here's one of >mine. http://www.pbase.com/rkircher/image/60743328 > >The trick is to watch the background for distractions. Or try to make the >background tell the story or be a part of the story. Neither do I, but the folks in the background on the OP's shot cited didn't strike me. Your shot on the other hand does. As always just my opinion, which isn't worth much. -- Ed Ruf (Usenet2@EdwardG.Ruf.com) http://edwardgruf.com/Digital_Photography/General/index.html
Frank ess - 20 Aug 2006 17:57 GMT >>> "Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!)" <egruf_usenet2@cox.net> wrote >>> in [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > The trick is to watch the background for distractions. Or try to > make the background tell the story or be a part of the story. Some of each here, many actually by choice! http://www.fototime.com/inv/39883F1889F2C04
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Robert R Kircher, Jr. - 20 Aug 2006 18:17 GMT >>>> "Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!)" <egruf_usenet2@cox.net> wrote in >>>> message news:92kee2pdn2rhta6jvcpvss95svbhvav2hg@4ax.com... [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Some of each here, many actually by choice! > http://www.fototime.com/inv/39883F1889F2C04 Man do I miss Riverside!!!! Great pics Frank. I love looking at old pics and old film of any auto racing. I guess that assumes that 1983 is "old". ;-) I have the last Winston Cup race at Riverside on tape. Every so often I take it out to reminisce.
Love the pic of Newman in the 84 gallery. What a mess... short shorts and yellow socks. ;-)
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G.T. - 20 Aug 2006 18:30 GMT >>>>>"Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!)" <egruf_usenet2@cox.net> wrote in >>>>>message news:92kee2pdn2rhta6jvcpvss95svbhvav2hg@4ax.com... [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Man do I miss Riverside!!!! I raced a few District 37 off-road grand prix there back in the 70s and 80s. Lots of memories and possibly the best closed course off-road races ever. I think the SCORE off-road racers also thoroughly enjoyed their events at the venue.
Greg
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no_name - 20 Aug 2006 23:18 GMT >>>"Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!)" <egruf_usenet2@cox.net> wrote in >>>message news:92kee2pdn2rhta6jvcpvss95svbhvav2hg@4ax.com... [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > The trick is to watch the background for distractions. Or try to make the > background tell the story or be a part of the story. six of one - half dozen of the other. I was merely answering the question "Reversed???"
 Signature These are my views. If you've got a problem with it, you can blame it on me, but this is what I think. I am not the official spokes-person for any Government, Commercial or Educational institution.
John
Robert R Kircher, Jr. - 20 Aug 2006 07:13 GMT > "Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!)" <egruf_usenet2@cox.net> wrote in > message news:ingee2tr68pgrerbopj2jhlfnug7agorro@4ax.com... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/nascar Cool shot Jay, how'd you find the time? Shouldn't you have been in some production truck? ;-)
I'll be in Bristol this coming weekend and then Richmond. Unfortunately, I can't get into the pits at Bristol but I'll be there at Richmond. Should be fun.
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Jay Beckman - 20 Aug 2006 18:51 GMT > Cool shot Jay, how'd you find the time? Shouldn't you have been in some > production truck? ;-) Oh, they let us mushrooms out of the cave from time to time...
> I'll be in Bristol this coming weekend and then Richmond. Unfortunately, > I can't get into the pits at Bristol but I'll be there at Richmond. > Should be fun. Ditto on all counts...
:O) Jay Beckman www.pbase.com/flyingphotog
Robert R Kircher, Jr. - 20 Aug 2006 19:29 GMT >> Cool shot Jay, how'd you find the time? Shouldn't you have been in some >> production truck? ;-) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Ditto on all counts... Glad to hear they let you out every so often Jay. ;-) Are you up at MIS or do you have the weekend off?
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Jay Beckman - 20 Aug 2006 21:30 GMT >>> Cool shot Jay, how'd you find the time? Shouldn't you have been in some >>> production truck? ;-) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Glad to hear they let you out every so often Jay. ;-) Are you up at MIS > or do you have the weekend off? Stayed home this weekend and went shooting...
http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/montezuma http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/jerome
Jay
Robert R Kircher, Jr. - 20 Aug 2006 22:21 GMT >>>> Cool shot Jay, how'd you find the time? Shouldn't you have been in >>>> some production truck? ;-) [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/montezuma > http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/jerome Well you made good use of the time. ;-) Love the pics of Jerome.
Looked over you "on the road 2006" pics and all I can say about Pocono is Man!!!!. It's amazing everything stayed up and running. I assume all the cabling and equipment is protected.
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Frank ess - 20 Aug 2006 23:30 GMT >>>> Cool shot Jay, how'd you find the time? Shouldn't you have been >>>> in some production truck? ;-) [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/montezuma > http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/jerome Nice. I enjoyed that.
Here's my reaction to a pass through Jerome in about 1958, in an MG TD:
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The Lights Of Jerome
Damn' fish tank is talking to me.
Its voice is bubbled out through dual filters.
It speaks in a fragmented, incomprehensible, conversational tone.
The lights of Jerome AZ, the ones on the side of a mountain. They were trying to spell something.
Just as I concentrated on those lights and saw them shift through and away from a meaningful pattern before I could grasp it, I listen hard to the fish tank. I never quite get what it is saying.
I wonder if there is a shortcoming in my perception. Are the fish tank's messages laden and fully formed? Are they not well enough articulated? Enunciated.
Are the contents, if any, still available for interpretation and understanding? Are they lost forever if I am not at present an appropriate or capable receptor?
What increment of valence or ken, or decrement of inhibition could complete the connection? Is neither of us ready? Just one of us deficient in some way?
Are we or one of us early, or too late? What half-beat in our histories upset the phasing?
The lights of Jerome. They were, after a fashion, all in a row: street lamps on a steep road that doubled back, and back, and back again, up the mountainside.
When I tracked them down they were 4-AM gleeful, laughing with me through the racketing exhaust note that sought and was repelled by false-front stores on empty, skewed sidewalks.
I think the fish tank is a little more serious. Urgent.
Listen. There.
Hear that?
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And here's a little more photography from Jerome, not mine, not new:
http://www.fototime.com/inv/6D27A94E83A97F2
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Richard H. - 19 Aug 2006 22:02 GMT > I will be attending the AMA races Labor Day weekend. Is there anyone here > who has shot motorsports and motorcycle racing in particular who can share > some insight or tips? I have a friend who will be racing that weekend so I > expect to be able to get a hotpit pass and get about as up close and > personal as possible. Cool. Should be fun. Call in advance and see what it'll take to get close / out in the middle of the track (if they allow it).
Some of my co-workers are into motocross, and I grabbed some shots a few weeks back. Better ones are here: http://www.pbase.com/hornbaker/wallpapers They were all taken from the middle of the track, close to harm's way. :-)
I find that around 1/1250 (@ 100mm on a 70-300mm lens) is a good balance between freezing the bike & rider, but blurring the background and the spinning wheels. I prefer very low apertures for shallow depth of field. Use spot focusing to make the camera focus on the right subject, and use continuous-focus mode if your camera offers it.
Find vantage points with interesting background. Grab a magazine and see what kinds of shots look best. Some favorites seem to be halfway through a corner, where the bike and rider are close to horizontal. Or, coming out of a corner on the high side, with a spray of dirt coming off the rear.
Track the subject when you're pressing the shutter. This will blur the background, but freeze the subject like this: http://www.pbase.com/hornbaker/image/65400506
Hopefully you're shooting during the day. Find a shutter / aperture combination that works well and lock it in manually. You'll end up with some shot in the shadows that need to be lightened a bit, but it'll prevent dramatically bad exposures.
It's a lot to swallow, I know. Pick a few points, try them, and build from there. Most importantly, have fun - realize that it's a constant learning process, and you've got to take a lot of shots to get a few really good ones.
Cheers, Richard
Robert R Kircher, Jr. - 20 Aug 2006 06:59 GMT >I will be attending the AMA races Labor Day weekend. Is there anyone here >who has shot motorsports and motorcycle racing in particular who can share [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Hoping to come back with lots of "umbrella girl" photos and maybe even a > couple of bike photos. First things first and I'm assuming you've never done this before so bare with me if I'm mistaken. Keep your eyes and ears open ALL the time. Even a motorcycle can cause serious injuries. My first time on pit road at Atlanta taught me that as a Kasey Kane crew man knocked me on my a.s. He was very rude about it but had he not knocked me out of the way I would have been hit by the car.
The rest is all very subjective. As always there are many ways to skin a cat. This is what I've found works with me.
2) A piece if advice, don't get so caught up in shooting the racing that you forget about all the other action around the track. The people, the pits, the riders, the equipment, the track itself, all provide great photo opps. Keep your eyes open.
3) That telephoto lens is your friend. I shoot mostly with a 70-200 or 100-400 depending on the size of the track. I also use a 17-40 on a second body but to be honest it's not really used that much.
4) Shutter Speed. As already stated the slower the shutter the more motion blur you get and the better the feeling of speed. The trade off can be sharpness of the subject. I'd start out with a fairly high speed say 1/500 or even higher and then show the shutter down as you get more practice. I find that 1/200 provides a good sharp subject with plenty of motion blur.
5) Panning, Good posture is important here IMO. Plant you feet and hold you arms in close. Move only with you torso.
6) Focus and shooting. Lots of good advice give here already. I use the center focus point and AI Server or continuous focus. I will prefocus on a point but only to give the AF a bit of an advantage. Shoot in burst mode. I usually shoot off 3 to 5 in a burst.
7) Metering. I usually shoot in TV mode using Partial metering. With my Canon that means the center 9% of the lens.
I'm sure there's more but that all I can think of now. Here is my racing galleries. http://www.pbase.com/rkircher/racing Feel free to look around. Look over the EXIF data.
Most important thing is to have fun. And post some results. :)
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Richard H. - 20 Aug 2006 16:39 GMT > Keep your eyes and ears open ALL the time. Even a > motorcycle can cause serious injuries. Excellent point. One idea is to take someone as a spotter, both to help spot the specific riders as you setup the shots, and to help watch your back.
> I also use a 17-40 on a second body but to be honest it's not really > used that much. Ah yes, another good point here... motorcycles + dirt track = fine airborne dust. It's a good idea to leave the lens on the body the whole time. And dust the camera with canned air before removing the lens later.
Cheers, Richard
Robert R Kircher, Jr. - 20 Aug 2006 18:18 GMT >> Keep your eyes and ears open ALL the time. Even a motorcycle can cause >> serious injuries. > > Excellent point. One idea is to take someone as a spotter, both to help > spot the specific riders as you setup the shots, and to help watch your > back. LOL... Funny you mention that. I actual had a friend with me. A lot of good he did. ;-)
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Stacey - 29 Aug 2006 01:23 GMT > I will be attending the AMA races Labor Day weekend. Is there anyone here > who has shot motorsports and motorcycle racing in particular who can share > some insight or tips? Corner shots are what look cool at a bike race and the pit straight is a AWFUL place to shoot at Road A. I'd be shooting at turn 5, or the chicane before the bridge.
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MInister of Information - 27 Sep 2006 20:15 GMT After a lot of time spent at work and dealing with other things, I have finally been able to add some of the photos from Road Atlanta to my gallery so you guys can critique them for me. Most of the racing photos were taken from either Turn 1 or from Turn 12 (the last turn before the Start/Finish. The photos were taken with my K-M 5D and a 100mm-300mm lens. I can say that I am hooked for sure and now am working on getting better glass by the next time I make it to Road Atlanta.
The photos are here http://www.kimomi.net/cpg148/thumbnails.php?album=24
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>I will be attending the AMA races Labor Day weekend. Is there anyone here >who has shot motorsports and motorcycle racing in particular who can share [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Hoping to come back with lots of "umbrella girl" photos and maybe even a > couple of bike photos.
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