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SteveR - 25 Dec 2005 11:03 GMT
I'm going to photograph some artwork - there's a mix of media, but all
flat things, no sculpture.  I do know something about photography, but
the books I own don't really have much to say about this subject.  I
googled for "photographing paintings" and found some useful ideas, but
it seems that they are mostly pitched at artists who want to photograph
their own artwork but know nothing about photography.

What I'm after is digital images of the artwork, and I'd like to know if
anyone here has any experience with this kind of photography.  The
pieces vary in size, but the largest are definitely too large for
sensible-sized flat-bed scanners.

Any insight would be appreciated - placement of the artwork and camera,
lighting, software for post-processing, methods, etc.  I have access to
PaintShop 4, 7, and 9, and I have a couple of studio flash heads with a
selection of accessories.  Any recommendations for a camera would be
appreciated as well, as my current digital camera doesn't have enough
manual control.

Thanks in advance,
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hai_yang5@yahoo.com.cn - 25 Dec 2005 13:04 GMT
my english is poor .i known indusry design a little.
Don der Blitsen - 25 Dec 2005 13:18 GMT

>I googled for "photographing paintings" and found some useful ideas, but
>it seems that they are mostly pitched at artists who want to photograph
>their own artwork but know nothing about photography.

Try your local library and look for a book titled
"Photographing Art Work" or something similar. I
don't know the exact title and there are probably
more than one in publication. There's no big secret
to it - it's all about LIGHTING and not about which
camera you use necessarily. That means avoiding
lighting setups that induce a glare, avoiding using
flash, and other common-sense matters.

The good thing
about digital photography is that you no longer have
to worry as much about color correctness in matching
film type to light source since you can do all the
correcting on your computer using software. There
are dozens of imaging software programs available
so your research might center on learning which one
most photographers find most useful. I personally
find Microsoft's PICTURE IT auto-correct features to
be just about all I need for correcting my photos,
although there is no correction for lens distortion
and some other things that more sophisticated software
allows. And don't overlook the software that came
with your digital camera.
m Ransley - 25 Dec 2005 14:12 GMT
You are overestimating the dificulty of it and equipment needed . Most
any decent digital P&S type could do it fine, even one with only auto
exposure although more experimenting will be necessary. With film and a
complete A1, I set up an easel with backdrop a few photofloods on each
side , positioned them till I got no glare and desired light, I may have
use a lens polariser to help on glare, I forget. With digital it will be
easier since you have in camera white balance, incandesants can be used.
Cheap utility lamps, apx 10$ the type with clamps and aluminum
reflectors can be used, get 4 to start.  You will have your tripod and
camera set in a basic area your subjuct needs and use the zoom or move
tripod in or out to size. once I had my set up I would zoom for
different size photos, lamps I had 2 on floor clamped to 5 gal buckets
and 2 on ladders moved around. Flash on camera won`t work because of
glare so light placement and set up will just take time. Additional
slave flashes will require alot more experimenting then lamp lighting
and for me would have been a waste of money and time. I have a sony w5
and could do it fine with that or honestly say any Canon P&S that does
good photos. My Sony w5 on a independant right up stated at 100 asa it
could equal a 20 d, well im sure any good canon P&S on tripod , at 100
asa could do the same, its knowing its limitations and where the quality
is in settings.  Its not te camera here that is important its you and
your set up. With the simple manual control of speed is all I would need
for propr exposure at 100 asa. A Circular polariser, or polariser would
help reduce some difficult reflections you will get. since its not film
use your lcd for immediate preview and your computer to see results of
set up, or easier a decent TV nearby, My W5 will go right to tv for
immediate preview for a 95% aproximation of what photo will be. With
film I did quite well for a one time 100+ painting session considering
the hassle of getting things developed to learn my mistakes. With
digital, in camera white balance, minimal manual controll, it will be
easy. the only difficulty I forsee is the time in setting up for getting
the lighting correct so you have no glare and enough even light. A P&S
using self timer would be your cable release. Of course you can go dslr
but I will bet for a stationary object at 100 asa with proper lighting
results will be more than fine. Lighting and experimenting are key.
Peter H.M. Brooks - 26 Dec 2005 17:43 GMT
>  
>
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> allows. And don't overlook the software that came
> with your digital camera.

Digital software from camera manufacturers - like the digital pro
software that comes with canon cameras - is excellent for setting an
appropriate white balance. You take the photographs using the best
lighting you can get (maybe polarized in two planes at right angles)
then you adjust the white balance before merging, adding or subtracting
the images depending on the effect you want - an exclusive or might work
really well with polarizing planes at right angles.

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Mani Deli - 25 Dec 2005 17:50 GMT
>I'm going to photograph some artwork - there's a mix of media, but all
>flat things, no sculpture.  I do know something about photography, but
>the books I own don't really have much to say about this subject.  

Photographing paintings is a profession requiring specialty equipment,
lenses , crossed Polaroids. parallel easels etc.

One way to get around this is to scan the painting in parts and stitch
them together in than computer. You can also use a digital cameras and
in diffused light and check the position of the copy to avoid glare.
You can also use crossed Polaroid for this.

I
Mani Deli - 25 Dec 2005 19:24 GMT
>>I'm going to photograph some artwork - there's a mix of media, but all
>>flat things, no sculpture.  I do know something about photography, but
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>
>I
Liz - 26 Dec 2005 12:04 GMT
>>I'm going to photograph some artwork - there's a mix of media, but all
>>flat things, no sculpture.  I do know something about photography, but
>>the books I own don't really have much to say about this subject.
>
> Photographing paintings is a profession requiring specialty equipment,
> lenses , crossed Polaroids. parallel easels etc.

It depends on exactly what degree of quality you need.
My husband (an artist) used to get a friend, who's a specialist in
this, to do it. He used lots of specialised equipment: a Hassie, big
flash set up etc, which not only was a very expensive service (even at
'friends' rates) but was a major upheaval in the room, having to clear
everthing to make room for his setup. The quality was outstanding, but
he decided he didn't need that level of quality/expense and now we do
it ouselves with my *very* basic equipment.

The main problem is evenness of light and avoiding hotspots on oil
paintings since I don't have flash. We used to do it in front of the
back window, it's a bit easier in the conservatory (an advantage of
the West of Scotland's 'tupperware' sky). It involves quite a lot of
fiddling about with white sheets/towels as diffusers and reflectors,
but the quality (after tweaking in Photoshop) is good enough for his
needs (gallery brochures etc.) I'm getting faster now, both in the
taking and the tweaking!

I put the artwork on the floor or a workbench depending on size, and
it's a great use for my Benbo, which otherwise is a PITA.

If you want the highest quality (e.g. for glossy coffee-table art
books) but don't have the equipment, you'll probably have to hire in a
specialist.

Slainte

Liz
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Peter H.M. Brooks - 26 Dec 2005 17:37 GMT
>>>I'm going to photograph some artwork - there's a mix of media, but all
>>>flat things, no sculpture.  I do know something about photography, but
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> books) but don't have the equipment, you'll probably have to hire in a
> specialist.

Yes, that's probably the best advice. A good light with no flash is a
sound solution,but, if you take the photograph directly you have the
danger of the camera being between the light and the image.

Very, very bright, but diffuse, studio lighting can also work, but you
then have to spend some time desaturating the image back to normal tones.

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Liz - 26 Dec 2005 18:46 GMT
> Yes, that's probably the best advice. A good light with no flash is a
> sound solution,but, if you take the photograph directly you have the
> danger of the camera being between the light and the image.

Oh yes.
The advantage of the conservatory is light on three sides, I stand at
the fourth side, if necessary using a white towel in front of me to
get a more 'even' light.
IMC, there is a lens problem, in that photographing rectangular
objects reveals slight pincushioning in my wide-angle film camera lens
and barrelling in my digicam (haven't tried out the 350D yet).
Can be fixed in Photoshop, though, (no geometrical artwork involved)
and I believe CS2 does it even better.

Slainte

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Celcius - 26 Dec 2005 13:41 GMT
SteveR,

My wife is an iconograph.
Some of her icons are too large to scan.
I found the best way of photogrphing her icons is outside, in a
semi-shade.
The problem is to line up the lens with the centre of the photograph
and keep a perpendicular line so as not to have parallax.

Marcel
Peter H.M. Brooks - 26 Dec 2005 17:34 GMT
> SteveR,
>
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> The problem is to line up the lens with the centre of the photograph
> and keep a perpendicular line so as not to have parallax.

Get a really good resolution camera and take the photograph parallel to
the drawing and then crop it.

Alternatively, if they really are big, you can get special cameras to
take photographs of buildings, from the ground, and get them in good
focus. They aren't cheap.

Another althernative is to square off the icon, take the photographs is
sections and join them together. If you measure the distances carefully,
and, prefereably, use a jig of some sort, you can move the camera
precisely between different sections. Joining it together is now easy
with digital tools.

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Geoff Berrow - 26 Dec 2005 17:52 GMT
Message-ID: <dop9jr$c8n$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net> from Peter H.M. Brooks
contained the following:

>Alternatively, if they really are big, you can get special cameras to
>take photographs of buildings, from the ground, and get them in good
>focus. They aren't cheap.

Focus is not the problem, it's parallax.  Most 'good' architectural
photography shows buildings having vertical sides.  They don't actually
look like that.  The secret is to have the lens and film plane vertical.
Trouble is, then the top of the building will be cut off.  The trick is
to move the film plane down (or shift the lens up).
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Geoff Berrow - 26 Dec 2005 17:54 GMT
Message-ID: <4ma0r1p836dm8ggeh1edjsddq94capdvjv@4ax.com> from Geoff
Berrow contained the following:

>Focus is not the problem, it's parallax.  

duh!  I mean, of course, perspective.

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Geoff Berrow - 26 Dec 2005 17:35 GMT
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Celcius contained the following:

>I found the best way of photogrphing her icons is outside, in a
>semi-shade.

The only problem with that is that colour temperature will be variable.
On sunny days the shade is lit by the blue sky.

>The problem is to line up the lens with the centre of the photograph
>and keep a perpendicular line so as not to have parallax.

and use the longest telephoto you have to avoid barrel distortion.

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Peter H.M. Brooks - 26 Dec 2005 17:45 GMT
> I'm going to photograph some artwork - there's a mix of media, but all
> flat things, no sculpture.  I do know something about photography, but
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> appreciated as well, as my current digital camera doesn't have enough
> manual control.

As I said, don't use the camera control at all. Take the photographs
'raw'. Then use the manufacturer supplied software to set exactly the
white balance you want and then convert them to tiff, jpg or whatever
suits you.

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Michael J Davis - 30 Dec 2005 12:03 GMT
Peter H.M. Brooks <peter@new.co.za> observed

>As I said, don't use the camera control at all. Take the photographs
>'raw'. Then use the manufacturer supplied software to set exactly the
>white balance you want and then convert them to tiff, jpg or whatever
>suits you.

Include some neutral 'grey' card at the edge so that you can balance
that to neutral.

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Peter H.M. Brooks - 30 Dec 2005 22:55 GMT
> Peter H.M. Brooks <peter@new.co.za> observed
>
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> Include some neutral 'grey' card at the edge so that you can balance
> that to neutral.

Yes. You can actually buy cards of particularly 'grey' colours for just
this purpose.

I find it quite impressive that people can make money by selling grey
cards, but then quite a few things impress me.

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Erik A. Mattila - 26 Dec 2005 18:44 GMT
> I'm going to photograph some artwork - there's a mix of media, but all
> flat things, no sculpture.  I do know something about photography, but
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Thanks in advance,

Steve, use a 50 - 55 mm lense.  The painting needs to be hung on the
wall exactly at 90 degrees, and the camera lens needs to be pointed
exactly in the center of the painting, and two photoflood lights need to
be located exactly at 45 degree angles from the center of the work, at
the same level.

Use a wall.  Use tape to strike a line on the floor which is
perpendicular to the wall.  Use tape to strike two lines on the floor
which are 45 degrees on each side of the perpendicular line.

Center your tripod above the perp. line - you can move it in and out
along the line to adjust for the various sizes of the art.  Measure from
the floor up to the center of the painting, and then from the floor up
to the center of your lense, raising or lowering the tripod as needed.

After you have everything positioned, you'll need a hand held light
meter to check for hot spots.  You want to take your readings near the
surface of the art, and systematically scan the art and check the light
readings (with the Photofloods on, of course.)  If there is a hot spot,
you'll need to tweak the positions of the lights to get rid of it.  This
is important, since you can't see the subtle hot spots.

Camera quality is important.  Lens barreling will be the big problem,
followed by the problem that most camera's viewfinders do not represent
the true size of the image being photographed.  View finders typically
show something like 95% of what will be recorded, or 110%.  The only
camera I know or that will give you 100% is a Nikon F series - and the
Nikor 55mm lense will not barrel at the distance you'll be working with.
 I'm sure there are others, but you'll be in the high-end camera terrain.

I have a Nikon 5700 digital camera, and I would hesitate to use it for
paintings.  I also have a Nikon F-3 film camera, and if I wanted to
photograph professionally done images of artwork I would use that.  At
this point, since you seem to want to use a digital camera, I would try
to find a camera with the features mentioned above - view finder and
lens barreling.  Maybe some folks on this forum can recommend a digital
camera that has these features - but I think you'll get back into the
"professional" grade, rather than the "prosummer" grade such as the 9500.

If you're good at Photoshop, you can procces the image to bring it the
standards you desire.  You can straighten out edges and do color
compensation to get a pretty decent representation of your painting.
harrogate2 - 26 Dec 2005 20:25 GMT
This is an ideal situation for a ring flash. It gives good light and
no shadows. Sort the lens out, then hire a ring if necessary (Jessops
may loan you one if they have a s/h in stock) and try it out.

Some years ago I took a load of slides of porcelein for a friend. All
were taken against black velour cloth, with three lights in 12"
reflectors on glazed objects, and ring flash on biscuitware. Worked a
treat.

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dadiOH - 27 Dec 2005 14:55 GMT
> This is an ideal situation for a ring flash. It gives good light and
> no shadows.

A ring light is about the worst thing that could be used...it will
bounce all sorts of speculars back to the camera.

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SteveR - 27 Dec 2005 00:30 GMT
>> I'm going to photograph some artwork - there's a mix of media, but

[snip]

>>doesn't have enough  manual control.
>>  Thanks in advance,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>to be located exactly at 45 degree angles from the center of the work,
>at the same level.

OK, sounds reasonable.  This is more or less what I thought - my only
question, given that my aim is to get the pictures onto the Web, is
whether studio flash heads can be used in place of photofloods.  (I have
a pair of mains-powered flash heads, but no photofloods.  Soft boxes,
brollies, stands, etc. are available.)

>Use a wall.  Use tape to strike a line on the floor which is

[snip]

>needed.
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>with.  I'm sure there are others, but you'll be in the high-end camera
>terrain.

The viewfinder issue is, presumably, a matter of calibration rather than
a catastrophic show-stopper.  I could measure the distances once I have
a X sized picture correctly framed, and then scale it up or down to get
to the right distance for a larger or smaller picture.  (Well, I would
have thought this would be possible...)

>I have a Nikon 5700 digital camera, and I would hesitate to use it for
>paintings.

What is it about that camera that makes you hesitate?

>I also have a Nikon F-3 film camera, and if I wanted to photograph
>professionally done images of artwork I would use that.  At this point,
>since you seem to want to use a digital camera,

(my end goal is digital images for use on the Web, so it seemed to me
that digital was the way to start.)

> I would try to find a camera with the features mentioned above - view
>finder and lens barreling.  Maybe some folks on this forum can
>recommend a digital camera that has these features - but I think you'll
>get back into the "professional" grade, rather than the "prosummer"
>grade such as the 9500.

A decent digital SLR should be able to take lenses free of barrel and
other distortions (or as free as any lens ever gets), right?

>If you're good at Photoshop, you can procces the image to bring it the
>standards you desire.  You can straighten out edges and do color
>compensation to get a pretty decent representation of your painting.

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Liz - 27 Dec 2005 01:40 GMT
>>I have a Nikon 5700 digital camera, and I would hesitate to use it for
>>paintings.
>
> What is it about that camera that makes you hesitate?

Its the one I've been using.

Slainte

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Paul Furman - 27 Dec 2005 01:42 GMT
>> I have a Nikon 5700 digital camera, and I would hesitate to use it for
>> paintings.
>
> What is it about that camera that makes you hesitate?

Lack of dynamic range perhaps if the art is contrasty. Turn down the
contrast, sharpening, saturation if possible and adjust in the computer,
or shoot raw format if that's possible.
Liz - 27 Dec 2005 10:30 GMT
>>> I have a Nikon 5700 digital camera, and I would hesitate to use it for
>>> paintings.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> contrast, sharpening, saturation if possible and adjust in the computer,
> or shoot raw format if that's possible.

Why wouldn't it be possible?
(Oh, apart from only having a very small CF card)

Slainte

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Paul Furman - 27 Dec 2005 14:45 GMT
>>>>I have a Nikon 5700 digital camera, and I would hesitate to use it for
>>>>paintings.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Why wouldn't it be possible?
> (Oh, apart from only having a very small CF card)

I don't know that camera, just suggesting things that might be a
problem. I know that it's a challenge to maintain the contrast &
saturation when duplicating slides.
Erik A. Mattila - 27 Dec 2005 06:01 GMT
>>> I'm going to photograph some artwork - there's a mix of media, but
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> a pair of mains-powered flash heads, but no photofloods.  Soft boxes,
> brollies, stands, etc. are available.)

But then you'd be unable to scour the surface with a meter looking for
hotspots.  Other than that, flashes would be ok.  It would be sort of
hit and miss, though.

>> Use a wall.  Use tape to strike a line on the floor which is
>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> to the right distance for a larger or smaller picture.  (Well, I would
> have thought this would be possible...)

Sure, you can compensate, and it really is only an issue if you're
making slides.

>> I have a Nikon 5700 digital camera, and I would hesitate to use it for
>> paintings.
>
> What is it about that camera that makes you hesitate?

Primarily lens barreling.

>> I also have a Nikon F-3 film camera, and if I wanted to photograph
>> professionally done images of artwork I would use that.  At this
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> A decent digital SLR should be able to take lenses free of barrel and
> other distortions (or as free as any lens ever gets), right?

Absolutely.  I wouldn't be surprised if I could plug my F-3 55mm into a
new Nikon Digital SLR with some clever adaptor.

>> If you're good at Photoshop, you can procces the image to bring it the
>> standards you desire.  You can straighten out edges and do color
>> compensation to get a pretty decent representation of your painting.
dadiOH - 27 Dec 2005 14:57 GMT
>> OK, sounds reasonable.  This is more or less what I thought - my only
>> question, given that my aim is to get the pictures onto the Web, is
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> hotspots.  Other than that, flashes would be ok.  It would be sort of
> hit and miss, though.

Studio flash units have modeling lights.

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SteveR - 27 Dec 2005 19:09 GMT
[snip good advice]

Thanks for all the good advice - very useful.

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Peter H.M. Brooks - 28 Dec 2005 09:14 GMT
>>> Steve, use a 50 - 55 mm lense.  The painting needs to be hung on the
>>> wall exactly at 90 degrees, and the camera lens needs to be pointed
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> hotspots.  Other than that, flashes would be ok.  It would be sort of
> hit and miss, though.

Not really. If you have a white background under the painting, you can
photograph that using exactly the same lighting as with the photograph.
Then you can use that photograph as your white balance - it will
automatically compensate for any hotspots.

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m Ransley - 27 Dec 2005 14:22 GMT
Your goal is the web so you dont need a dslr, I have done alot of art
photography and as stated a good quality P&S will do you if it has even
minimal manual control as in speed settings, best, easiest is room
lighting with floods. Not flash.
dadiOH - 27 Dec 2005 14:39 GMT
> OK, sounds reasonable.  This is more or less what I thought - my only
> question, given that my aim is to get the pictures onto the Web, is
> whether studio flash heads can be used in place of photofloods.

Sure, you can use flash...light is light.  Where the photos are destined
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dadiOH - 27 Dec 2005 14:51 GMT
> Steve, use a 50 - 55 mm lense.

Nothing exactly wrong with that but a longer one can make life easier.
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> The painting needs to be hung on the
> wall exactly at 90 degrees, and the camera lens needs to be pointed
> exactly in the center of the painting, and two photoflood lights need
> to be located exactly at 45 degree angles from the center of the
> work, at the same level.

The precise angle of the lights to the subject isn't critical.  What is
critical is that they do not cause reflections of the light when viewed
from the camera position.

Additionally, the lights need to be at a distance sufficient to evenly
illuminate the subject in both dimensions; the farther the lights are
from the subject, the easier that becomes (inverse square law).
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> After you have everything positioned, you'll need a hand held light
> meter to check for hot spots.  You want to take your readings near the
> surface of the art, and systematically scan the art and check the
> light readings (with the Photofloods on, of course.)  If there is a
> hot spot, you'll need to tweak the positions of the lights to get rid
> of it.  This is important, since you can't see the subtle hot spots.

Yes, you can see them...if you hold a ruler or pencil perpendicular to
the art and observe the shadows.  With two lights there will be two
shadows and the goal is to have them visually equal.  That is most
easily achieved by feathering the lights toward the far side of the art
or by having them at considerable distance thereto.

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> Camera quality is important.  Lens barreling will be the big problem,

Longer lens

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radio913@aol.com - 26 Dec 2005 21:33 GMT
> I'm going to photograph some artwork - there's a mix of media, but all
> flat things, no sculpture.  I do know something about photography, but
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> appreciated as well, as my current digital camera doesn't have enough
> manual control.

      This all depends on how large you will
print these images.  4 Megapixels is only good
up to about 8x10.

      Use 500 watt Tungsten lamps, two of them
at 45 degree angles.  With vellum sheets over
each of them for diffusing the light.  Adjust the
angle if the glare is too much.  Make sure you
set your digital camera to "tungsten" for the
white balance.

     4 Megapixels is good enough for a website
though:

     
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b.ingraham@shaw.ca - 27 Dec 2005 06:58 GMT
Mani Deli said, "Photographing paintings is a profession requiring
specialty equipment,
lenses , crossed Polaroids. parallel easels etc."

This is absolutely true if the client, who could be the photographer
himself/herself, demands nothing but perfection. On the other hand, any
reasonably talented amateur can take good photographs of
two-dimensional art, even behind glass, with a bit of knowledge and
care. I made a lot of money for some 10 years with my own general
photography studio, a good deal of it by photographing paintings for
artists. Some of the tricks I used:

-- Softboxes/umbrellas with electronic flash at approximately 45-degree
angles to the lens axis.

-- A large sheet of black foamcore mounting board with a hole cut in
the middle for the camera lens. This reduces reflections in the glass
of framed prints simply by covering up most of the camera, the tripod
and the photographer.

-- Black cloth to drape over miscellaneous items that might cause
reflections in glass of framed prints.

-- Incident flash meter to check exposure, vital for even lighting of
large works and for correct exposure of small works.

-- An easy-to-adjust-tripod to center the camera and assure that the
film plane is parallel with the work of art. (This is the toughest
part, but doable, assuming requirements are not critical.)

I never used polarizing filters -- too expensive.

The poor man's set-up requires only a decent tripod, something to prop
the art on, and natural light. Bright sunlight works beautifully, but
I've also gotten nice copies in open shade and on days with a solid
overcast. The worst is when pretty white clouds are sailing across the
sky; the exposure changes every second or two.

Bob
SteveR - 27 Dec 2005 19:17 GMT
>Mani Deli said, "Photographing paintings is a profession requiring
>specialty equipment,
>lenses , crossed Polaroids. parallel easels etc."
>
>This is absolutely true if the client, who could be the photographer

[snip]

>artists. Some of the tricks I used:
>
>-- Softboxes/umbrellas with electronic flash at approximately 45-degree
>angles to the lens axis.

Yes, I have this gear.

>-- A large sheet of black foamcore mounting board with a hole cut in
>the middle for the camera lens. This reduces reflections in the glass
>of framed prints simply by covering up most of the camera, the tripod
>and the photographer.

Ah, yes.  I had overlooked that.  Thanks.

>-- Black cloth to drape over miscellaneous items that might cause
>reflections in glass of framed prints.
>
>-- Incident flash meter to check exposure, vital for even lighting of
>large works and for correct exposure of small works.

I have one of these, and was planning to use it.

>-- An easy-to-adjust-tripod to center the camera and assure that the
>film plane is parallel with the work of art. (This is the toughest
>part, but doable, assuming requirements are not critical.)

I wouldn't have dreamt of doing it any other way but on a tripod, and
not a Benbo / Uniloc either.  (My wife described my Uniloc 1700 as being
like a mutant octopus...)

>I never used polarizing filters -- too expensive.
>
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>overcast. The worst is when pretty white clouds are sailing across the
>sky; the exposure changes every second or two.

Ick!  :)

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Peter H.M. Brooks - 28 Dec 2005 09:17 GMT
> Mani Deli said, "Photographing paintings is a profession requiring
> specialty equipment,
> lenses , crossed Polaroids. parallel easels etc."
>
> This is absolutely true

As we have already had pointed out, one of the many, many things poor
Mani knows nothing about is the difference between polarizing and
polaroids. His most recent howler was to try to suggest that a
polarizing filter was 'polaroid'. Of course what he is thinking (If you
can call his little muddle that) is that the brand name 'Polaroid' was,
and is, given to some polarizing sunglasses. The 'Polaroid' instant film
system has nothing to do with this, of course.

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David Kilpatrick - 28 Dec 2005 12:37 GMT
>> Mani Deli said, "Photographing paintings is a profession requiring
>> specialty equipment,
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> and is, given to some polarizing sunglasses. The 'Polaroid' instant film
> system has nothing to do with this, of course.

Very true, except for Edwin Land, whose company was named for the
material used for polarizing sunspecs and plastic polarizers, and in due
course most camera polarizers and all lighting pola gels. I know plenty
of professional photographers who refer to all kinds of items by
incorrect names they half-learned as assistants and have never been
corrected on.

It's not as bad as a chart-topping song which managed to describe
instant photos as 'instamatics', but I think that was Peter Andre, which
makes it excusable.

David
David Kilpatrick - 28 Dec 2005 12:38 GMT
>> Mani Deli said, "Photographing paintings is a profession requiring
>> specialty equipment,
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> and is, given to some polarizing sunglasses. The 'Polaroid' instant film
> system has nothing to do with this, of course.

Very true, except for Edwin Land, whose company was named for the
material used for polarizing sunspecs and plastic polarizers, and in due
course most camera polarizers and all lighting pola gels. I know plenty
of professional photographers who refer to all kinds of items by
incorrect names they half-learned as assistants and have never been
corrected on.

It's not as bad as a chart-topping song which managed to describe
instant photos as 'instamatics', but I think that was Peter Andre, which
makes it excusable.

David
radio913@aol.com - 27 Dec 2005 07:35 GMT
> > I'm going to photograph some artwork - there's a mix of media, but all
> > flat things, no sculpture.  I do know something about photography, but
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>       4 Megapixels is good enough for a website
> though:

    Oh, and i forgot to mention the black felt
nailed to the wall you will use, so that you get
a nice black background.  Black velvet will work
too.

    If you really, REALLY want to do this
at publication quality, get a 4x5 large format
camera.  A Crown Graphic with minimal
"movements" (for making building edges
vertical, as the other poster mentioned),
because you don't need movements when
you're just photographing a 2-D painting.

    Shoot with the same Tungsten photo
floods, and use 64T tungsten chrome film,
which is not a negative, but a positive, like
slides, except this will be 4x5 inches!  Huge!
But perfect for drum scanning, or any other
type of high resolution scanner (Epson makes
some good ones), so that you can get then into
Photoshop and manipulate.

    Then you can make Giclees, posters, or
any other type of enlargement, and still retain
lots of detail..

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