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olivier.desmats - 16 Dec 2005 05:25 GMT Hi,
this is my new web site ( I'm a young french photograph )
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/olivier.desmats/
comments are welcomes, thanks
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Celcius - 16 Dec 2005 12:15 GMT Olivier, Pas mal du tout ;-0 Could you please tell us more: the camera you're using, lens, post photography "massaging" (Photoshop?), etc. I would have liked to tell you which shots I preferred, but there are no captions... Cheers, Marcel
olivier.desmats - 16 Dec 2005 15:53 GMT sorry for my english...
I use different material, contax G1 with 90mm, leica with 40 mm, praktica with 28mm and rollei for 6/6, and before I was using some reflex minolta, nikon, now some randgfinder camera and 1 reflex.
I scan with with a minolta dual scan IV, massaging with photoshop for the high light and the low light, contrast...
for the laboratory , film process is rodinal or calbe 49, sometimes ilfotec lc 29 and always push prosess for every film ( kodak Tri X 400 ) to 1600-6400 iso.
thanks for your comments... cheers
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> Olivier, > Pas mal du tout ;-0 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Cheers, > Marcel Floyd Davidson - 23 Dec 2005 14:31 GMT >for the laboratory , film process is rodinal or calbe 49, sometimes ilfotec >lc 29 and always push prosess for every film ( kodak Tri X 400 ) to >1600-6400 iso. I missed this before posting my other message, and it answers all of my questions. But brings up another: calbe 49 ???
I tried searching with google, but you can rest assured that your English is better than my French or German. It is also a large grain developer?
-- Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com
olivier.desmats - 25 Dec 2005 14:09 GMT hi,
yes it's a large grain developer, it's the same composition as rodinal agfa, and^push process with ilfotec lc 29 ( like triX at 6400 iso )
cheers.
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>>for the laboratory , film process is rodinal or calbe 49, sometimes >>ilfotec [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson > Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com UC - 16 Dec 2005 14:09 GMT More crap from another moron.
> Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/olivier.desmats olivier.desmats - 16 Dec 2005 15:46 GMT WHY crap? explain....!!!!!!
and sign..... your post !!
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> More crap from another moron. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >> http://perso.wanadoo.fr/olivier.desmats UC - 16 Dec 2005 21:10 GMT Your photography is execrable.
It's pretentious, ill-conceived, vacuous, and ugly.
They obviously took a lot of work and dedication, all, of course, to no avail.
> WHY crap? > explain....!!!!!! [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >> > >> http://perso.wanadoo.fr/olivier.desmats Jasen - 17 Dec 2005 01:18 GMT <UC, your comments are execrable.
<UC, you are pretentious, ill-conceived, vacuous, and ugly.
<UC, you obviously didn't take a lot of notice at all, of course, to no avail for your dysfunctional brain.
Oliver...I liked it. Very interesting work. Some people are simply idiots, like UC.....does that stand for "Utter Cvnt"??!!
Keep up the excellent work Oliver.
Celcius - 16 Dec 2005 20:56 GMT > > Hi, > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/olivier.desmats
> More crap from another moron. UC, You don't seem to ever put two words together without being insulting: "Moron, fuckwit. pretentious tripe", ad nauseam... (see below). I've also been on many other newsgroups you participate in and it's the same story. I find your attitude boring. There's practically nothing you say that's constructive. I wonder why you participate in those groups. I suppose your wife is castrating and you get it out on newsgroups ;-)))))) People like you are long on insults and short on imagination and wit. Cheers! Marcel
EXAMPLE: rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Photography: Artist vs technician
> UC wrote: >> I find the sort of photos that the vast majority of amateurs and even >> pros who fancy themselves 'fine art' photographers to be utterly >> vacuuous and boring. Pretentious tripe.
>> UC wrote: >> Anybody who disagrees with me that anybody who buys a digital SLR is a >> complete fuckwit....is a fuckwit.... "UC" <uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
UC - 16 Dec 2005 21:07 GMT I participate because this allows me to discuss photography without physically associating with photographers.
This way, I am protected from the stench.
Yes, most people's work is execrable.
> > > Hi, > > > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > >> complete fuckwit....is a fuckwit.... > "UC" <uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com> wrote in message Jasen - 17 Dec 2005 01:20 GMT >I participate because this allows me to discuss photography without > physically associating with photographers. > > This way, I am protected from the stench. > > Yes, most people's work is execrable. And I suppose yours isn't......whats your website address, if any, so we can see once and for all!
>> > > Hi, >> > > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >> >> complete fuckwit....is a fuckwit.... >> "UC" <uraniumcommit...@yahoo.com> wrote in message Mark W. Oots - 16 Dec 2005 22:16 GMT >> > Hi, >> > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > "UC" <uraniumcommittee@yahoo.com> wrote in message Text deleted, because I'm not inerested...
> UC, > You don't seem to ever put two words together without being insulting: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >> UC wrote: Text deleted, since I don't want to repeat his tripe....
The solution in Outlook Express is <Message><Block Sender><Yes>...in other words (PLONK!)
Mark
Adrian - 16 Dec 2005 15:51 GMT >comments are welcomes, thanks instead of chains and spikes bag over the head would be more appropriate and artistic for what the ??female models.
olivier.desmats - 16 Dec 2005 15:58 GMT I like spikes ! rock'n roll attitude
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>>comments are welcomes, thanks > instead of chains and spikes bag over the head would be more > appropriate and artistic for what the ??female models. NER - 17 Dec 2005 03:30 GMT You can judge for yourself whether "UC" (i.e., Michael Scarpitti) is in any position to label the works of others as "execrable, pretentious‚ ill–conceived‚ vacuous‚ and ugly crap" by viewing his images at: http://www.ilford.com/html/us_english/ILFOPRO/MemberGallery.asp?membername=Micha el+Scarpitt
N. Rile http://normanrileyphotography.com
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uw_wayne - 17 Dec 2005 19:57 GMT Just learn to "blow off" commentators like UC. Express what you want to in your images. There are plenty of photographers who will give you really knowledgeable critiquing of your work. To hell with those people whose best images look like they were with a P&S camera.
UC - 17 Dec 2005 21:39 GMT > Just learn to "blow off" commentators like UC. Express what you want to > in your images. There are plenty of photographers who will give you > really knowledgeable critiquing of your work. To hell with those people > whose best images look like they were with a P&S camera. That stuff is pretentious crap and you know it.
uw_wayne - 17 Dec 2005 22:23 GMT I seem to recall that he was young. Did you you ever experiment with anything over time? UC, maybe you are different than the rest of us. We grew our tastes, experiences, and preferences in art over time. Criticism is fair game for any of us who choose to make what we do public.You may not like his work, but it is a far cry from your assault as "crap".
UC - 18 Dec 2005 21:02 GMT > I seem to recall that he was young. Did you you ever experiment with > anything over time? UC, maybe you are different than the rest of us. We > grew our tastes, experiences, and preferences in art over time. > Criticism is fair game for any of us who choose to make what we do > public.You may not like his work, but it is a far cry from your assault > as "crap". I see the same crap over and over: grain, blur, excessive contrast, etc. It gets REALLY old after a while.
Yes, I did some experimenting and pushing when I was young, but I never produced anything like this crap.
Celcius - 23 Dec 2005 12:21 GMT Yup, just as I thought.The "when I was young" bit. You sound like every bit of it, an old "fuddle duddle" with the future in his past ;-))))))) The blasé. The "I have seen it all". Dude, you said it all. Merry Xmas just the same. In a way, you are becoming sympathetic... Marcel
UC - 23 Dec 2005 14:01 GMT > > I seem to recall that he was young. Did you you ever experiment with > > anything over time? UC, maybe you are different than the rest of us. We [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Yes, I did some experimenting and pushing when I was young, but I never > produced anything like this crap. The trouble is, as each generation goes through this phase, the crap gets worse...
NER - 18 Dec 2005 00:37 GMT Marcel
Thank you very much. Yes, I am certain of UC's identify. Michael distinguishes himself by his unique conduct in every forum he visits. In reality, he is a peddler of fonts:
http://www.ilford.com/html/us_english/ILFOPRO/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=661 http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-33462.htm http://www.myfonts.com/person/scarpitti/michael http://www.fontcraft.com/scriptorium/bios.htm
-- NER
NER - 18 Dec 2005 23:07 GMT Hello, Michael
N. Rile http://normanrileyphotography.com
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NER - 19 Dec 2005 20:19 GMT To make just one good photograph before my time is up
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Floyd Davidson - 23 Dec 2005 14:22 GMT >Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >comments are welcomes, thanks After seeing some of the idiotic insults... I decided to actually look and see what you had.
Here are the ones I happen to like,
Portraits: 2nd from top, and 2nd from the bottom City: 3rd from top City 2: 6th from top Stage: 1st, 5th, 6th, and 10th down from top Stage 2: 2nd, 7th, 8th from top
I really don't like many of your images. Which is hardly amazing, but given that... Your perception of art is clearly very different than mine so it really surprized me to see you both displaying some of those images that are so far from my tastes, and yet have so many that cross over into what I do like.
Which brings up a couple of questions... what kind of details go along with your images? What kind of film? What are you doing to emphasize all of that grain? (I can't do darkroom work anymore, but once upon a time I spent a few years playing with 35mm Tri-X developed in Agfa Rodinal. Won't say I miss chemicals, but I do miss the effects of Rodinal.)
-- Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com
UC - 26 Dec 2005 23:39 GMT > I really don't like many of your images. Which is hardly > amazing, but given that... Your perception of art is clearly > very different than mine so it really surprized me to see you > both displaying some of those images that are so far from my > tastes, and yet have so many that cross over into what I do > like. Photographs ARE NOT and CANNOT BE works of art! When these morons get that through their THICK SKULLS, then maybe, just MAYBE they can make some good photographs!
Photoart - 27 Dec 2005 01:00 GMT >Photographs ARE NOT and CANNOT BE works of art! When these morons get >that through their THICK SKULLS, then maybe, just MAYBE they can make >some good photographs! People like you always give me a good laugh. So please keep making stupid statements like this so I can keep laughing.
UC - 27 Dec 2005 14:05 GMT > >Photographs ARE NOT and CANNOT BE works of art! When these morons get > >that through their THICK SKULLS, then maybe, just MAYBE they can make > >some good photographs! > > > People like you always give me a good laugh. So please keep making > stupid statements like this so I can keep laughing. The joke is on you. You haven't te elightest clue what you're talking about. You're just like all the other imbecile photographers. Uneducated poor white trash from trailer parks.
Floyd Davidson - 27 Dec 2005 08:35 GMT >> I really don't like many of your images. Which is hardly >> amazing, but given that... Your perception of art is clearly [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >that through their THICK SKULLS, then maybe, just MAYBE they can make >some good photographs! Speaking of a thick skull...
-- Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com
NER - 28 Dec 2005 23:02 GMT Michael, you need to double up on your halperidol. Afterward, perhaps you could tell us why photography cannot be an art, vs. merely asserting your curious and minority point of view on this matter. How is it that two individuals using essentially the same materials and having equivalent skills (e.g., you and Oliver Desmats) produce vastly different results (we can all plainly see that his results are vastly superior to yours). As for being classified as a "hack" by you, I should consider that a compliment. You did, afterall, at Cafe Ilfopro, label A. Adams as a "bearded lunatic.
-- NER
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