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Glamour Nude Photography at home Howto book for amateur photographers http://images.southbaye.com/book.html <a href="http://images.southbaye.com/book.html">Glamour Nude Photography at home</a> > Glamour Nude Photography at home > Howto book for amateur photographers I can much better than that (and have numerous times in the past) and don't need your book. If that's an example of the best your book can produce, don't quit your day job. Your an a.s... >> Glamour Nude Photography at home >> Howto book for amateur photographers > > I can much better than that (and have numerous times in the past) and > don't need your book. If that's an example of the best your book can > produce, don't quit your day job. Some of the other photos on the site are very nice. The OP didn't link to very a good one. I found some much nicer ones when I explored the site. :) http://images.southbaye.com/  SignatureEnjoyDialup@hyperoz.com - You know you want to... http://www.HyperOz.com "Every time he tries to get me he gets himself" - Nigel Howe >> Glamour Nude Photography at home >> Howto book for amateur photographers > >I can much better than that (and have numerous times in the past) and >don't need your book. If that's an example of the best your book can >produce, don't quit your day job. Oh how nice of you. Are you one of those that can't smell the flowers cause you got your nost so high in the air? Arrogant bastard. > Oh how nice of you. Are you one of those that can't smell the flowers > cause you got your nost so high in the air? The sample photograph on the home page is mediocre. Sorry that you have set your standards so low. <<The sample photograph on the home page is mediocre. Sorry that you have set your standards so low. Ah, but maybe it's only there to prove his earlier statement ... "It is important to remember that just having an attractive woman in the image is not enough to make it a good photograph." P SignaturePaul ============} o o // Live fast, die old // PaulsPages are at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pcbradley/ ><<The sample photograph on the home page is mediocre. Sorry that you have >set your standards so low. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >P Vewry good point. But some folks just caqnnot WAIT to pre-judge others in a vain effort to elevate thenselves above the rest. It is the saddest form of esteem building that can be found.... Raising one's self esteem by lowering the other persons. > Vewry good point. But some folks just caqnnot WAIT to pre-judge others > in a vain effort to elevate thenselves above the rest. It is the > saddest form of esteem building that can be found.... Raising one's > self esteem by lowering the other persons. It's a crappy image...not a good one to use to try and get people to buy your book (unless they don't know a good one from a bad one). >> Vewry good point. But some folks just caqnnot WAIT to pre-judge others >> in a vain effort to elevate thenselves above the rest. It is the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >It's a crappy image...not a good one to use to try and get people to >buy your book (unless they don't know a good one from a bad one). I didn't particularly like the image either. I could stand here and pick it apart inch by inch too. I might even be able to do a better shot. So what good would it do for me to cut this guy's work down?? You need to do some self betterment reading pal. Try a book called "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie. You might come away with some valuable lessons and maybe even end up a better person. At very least, you might doscover why so vast a multitude of people consider you a jerk. It might not change the way you actually are. However, if you employed it's principals the rest of the world might be able to tolerate you a bit better. Here is a little insight for ya from this book..... So the guy showed a picture. What good does it do you to point this fact out to everybody? Anybody that KNOWS good photographs already KNOWS it's not a good shot. A good rule of life is NEVER state the obvious! By doing so you not only alienate those who already recognize your observation by showing your poor social graces and bad upbringing. You also alienate the many of the people that cannot recognize what you have seen but who DO recognize rudeness. In any event, you alienate people and that is never a good policy...... In *MY* humble opinion. > Here is a little insight for ya from this book..... So the guy showed > a picture. What good does it do you to point this fact out to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > seen but who DO recognize rudeness. In any event, you alienate people > and that is never a good policy...... In *MY* humble opinion. Do you sit down to pee too? >> Here is a little insight for ya from this book..... So the guy showed >> a picture. What good does it do you to point this fact out to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Do you sit down to pee too? Ahhh. When all logical argument has been defeated..... The next popular tactic is the personal attack. How droll. What's wrong Randall... Can't find a chink in the armor of my statements above?? Come on now. You are bettrer than this. Please. Tell me what is WRONG with what I just said instead of attacking my manhood. At least you have the class and moxxie for that don't you?? Or am I mistaken? >> Oh how nice of you. Are you one of those that can't smell the flowers >> cause you got your nost so high in the air? > >The sample photograph on the home page is mediocre. Sorry that you have >set your standards so low. It was not your standards that I took objection to. It was your condescending tone and holyer-than-thou attitude that chaffed my shorts. >> Oh how nice of you. Are you one of those that can't smell the flowers >> cause you got your nost so high in the air? > > The sample photograph on the home page is mediocre. Sorry that you have > set your standards so low. Randall, Do you talk to your pastor like you talk to people in here? How about the other people you play music with at church? Would they all be proud to know how you treat people, maybe not as talented, maybe not as educated, maybe not as "smart" as you, but people trying to learn by asking for your opinion? Would Christ be proud of your attitude and the way you say things in here? I just had to ask... If you want to criticize me for this post, please do it in email and let's leave the rest of these folks to their photo questions. Mark BTW, how about a sample of YOUR work...(pictures, please, not words. I've seen several examples of that.) >>> Oh how nice of you. Are you one of those that can't smell the flowers >>> cause you got your nost so high in the air? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >BTW, how about a sample of YOUR work...(pictures, please, not words. I've >seen several examples of that.) Well said. > Do you talk to your pastor like you talk to people in here? How about the > other people you play music with at church? Would they all be proud to know [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > If you want to criticize me for this post, please do it in email and let's > leave the rest of these folks to their photo questions. It was a crappy image. I'm not going to praise someone's mediocre work. > BTW, how about a sample of YOUR work...(pictures, please, not words. I've > seen several examples of that.) How many times to I have to post this? http://users.techline.com/randya >. > > It was a crappy image. I'm not going to praise someone's mediocre work. So make a suggestion on how it could be better. Tell the guy what he could do to improve a specific shot. > How many times to I have to post this? > > http://users.techline.com/randya Two things struck me the instant I saw your site; you have no glamour photos at all (my guess is that it's not your area of expertise). So why give the guy "generic" grief over his work? The second thing I noticed was that you showcase work you've done with a Canon 10D...I thought you only used 'Blads. Having shot over 700 weddings (with a 'Blad on a tripod with ASA 100 VPS in ambient light) in your life, I'll bet not every shot turned out to be high art. And I'll also bet you sold a lot of work that you knew could have been better OTOH, your pix do look very nice...just like picture postcards.:-) Mark > So make a suggestion on how it could be better. Tell the guy what he could > do to improve a specific shot. I'm not the one selling how-to books. Anything would be an improvement over some naked woman laying on the floor under incandescent light. Learning about lighting and posing would go a long ways. > Two things struck me the instant I saw your site; you have no glamour photos > at all (my guess is that it's not your area of expertise). So why give the > guy "generic" grief over his work? The second thing I noticed was that you > showcase work you've done with a Canon 10D...I thought you only used 'Blads. I no longer photograph people for money. Through the years I used mostly Hasselblad, but also RB67 and Pentax 6x7 (and a little 4x5). > Having shot over 700 weddings (with a 'Blad on a tripod with ASA 100 VPS in > ambient light) in your life, I'll bet not every shot turned out to be high > art. And I'll also bet you sold a lot of work that you knew could have been > better No, I used two strobes. Most of the time it was a Norman 200B, in later years it was AC-powered Photogenics. Not every shot would hang in the Louvre. But I never had to restage a wedding...never botched one. > OTOH, your pix do look very nice...just like picture postcards.:-) It's just stuff that I like. I don't have to please anyone but myself any more. >> So make a suggestion on how it could be better. Tell the guy what he could >> do to improve a specific shot. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >It's just stuff that I like. I don't have to please anyone but myself >any more. Obviously you don't have to worry about things like civility and common courtesy either..... at least in your mind. > Obviously you don't have to worry about things like civility and > common courtesy either..... at least in your mind. And I'm not the one using crappy images to sell a book on technique. >> Obviously you don't have to worry about things like civility and >> common courtesy either..... at least in your mind. > >And I'm not the one using crappy images to sell a book on technique. Oh come now Randall...... At least admit what you are and show some honesty in your life. You are a conusmate USENET Flame Warrior. It's as simple as that. I have spent a very little time (it really wasn't worth that much to me) looking over some of your previous posts and you definatly fit the profile. So why don't you just be honest with yourself and just admit it. At VERY least you will have the redemption of SOME honesty. > Oh come now Randall...... At least admit what you are and show some > honesty in your life. I was honest in my original post. You obviously can't handle honesty. Any time someone posts and image or a link to an image, they leave themselves open to comment about the image. > You are a conusmate USENET Flame Warrior. It's as simple as that. I > have spent a very little time (it really wasn't worth that much to me) > looking over some of your previous posts and you definatly fit the > profile. So why don't you just be honest with yourself and just admit > it. At VERY least you will have the redemption of SOME honesty. I don't think so. >Oh come now Randall...... At least admit what you are and show some >honesty in your life. > >You are a conusmate USENET Flame Warrior. It's as simple as that. I Randall Ainsworth doesn't even come close! He's *far* too crude, and demonstrates very little talent at all. He's just a run of the mill grump who wants attention. They're a dime a dozen... -- Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com >>Oh come now Randall...... At least admit what you are and show some >>honesty in your life. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > He's just a run of the mill grump who wants attention. They're > a dime a dozen... I can go back-and-forth with Randall all day over our differences in opinion and how we express them but one thing is true, IMO - I've seen his images and he has demonstrated quite a bit of talent. > I can go back-and-forth with Randall all day over our differences in opinion > and how we express them but one thing is true, IMO - I've seen his images > and he has demonstrated quite a bit of talent. Check's in the mail, babe. :-) > Randall Ainsworth doesn't even come close! He's *far* too crude, > and demonstrates very little talent at all. > > He's just a run of the mill grump who wants attention. They're > a dime a dozen... And you're one of those amateurs that can recite all the technical mumbo-jumbo, but put a camera in your hands and you're lost. Hilarious. Lets put *all* of the context back in, so that it reads correctly, and see what is being said here.... >>>Oh come now Randall...... At least admit what you are and show some >>>honesty in your life. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >And you're one of those amateurs that can recite all the technical >mumbo-jumbo, but put a camera in your hands and you're lost. So, Randall, you are now arguing that you really are some kind of "consumate USENET Flame Warrior"? You haven't demonstrated any real talent at it... -- Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com "> It's just stuff that I like. I don't have to please anyone but myself > any more. Randall, I actually like your work...quite a bit, really. I just take exception with the way you insist on flaming everyone that even shows a talent less than Ansel Adams. I don't expect you to say "Oh, nice work" to something that is less than what you expect from yourself, but simply saying "it's crap" serves little purpose to anyone. I think most photojournalism is crap, too, as photographic art is concerned. I actually did a Google on your name and found mostly news group posts, though a publication, now defunct I believe, that was attributed to you did come up. In looking at the amount of posting you have done, in this and many other newsgroups, I find that there seems to have been a shift in the way you stated your opinion that took place over a period of time, beginning about 2 years ago. You once seemed like a civil individual, if opinionated (I'm that way myself, and know it), even helpful at times, but more recent posts seem to serve little purpose other than letting you vent, rant, and generally complain about everyone...and I mean everyone, else's opinions, actions, work, lack of knowledge, lack of expertise...My first inclination was to simply add you to my killfile, but like you, I have a hard time just letting things drop. Just one more question and then I'll leave you alone; have you ever stopped to question why it always seems to be you against everyone else in these threads? I'm not going to killfile your posts; I'm tired of this thread (the newbies are running for cover as I type this), and in all truth, you and I likely have quite a bit in common, though I never made my primary living from photography. Unless there is another rag at techline, then I've seen your other page, where you discuss computers, music and such. I'd actually enjoy talking to someone like you, I think, but debating whether what you said is correct, when the issue is how you said it seems pointless, and at this time, I'm done posting in this thread. Mark > I actually did a Google on your name and found mostly news group posts, > though a publication, now defunct I believe, that was attributed to you did [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > was to simply add you to my killfile, but like you, I have a hard time just > letting things drop. That was it...RAndY's RumOR RaG. > Just one more question and then I'll leave you alone; have you ever stopped > to question why it always seems to be you against everyone else in these > threads? I'm not against everyone else. Opinionated - definitely. Again, this was a situation where someone set themself up as an expert and apparently didn't have the chops to back it up. I get bugged when amateurs post about photographing weddings (pet peeve, I guess). I get bugged when people come on with a bunch of technical mumbo-jumbo but can't create a decent image. I get bugged when people complain about not having a live preview with a DSLR. People don't want to educate themselves any more. They just want to wave a magic wand and have it all done for them. Maybe I've been in the business too long and have finally become fed up with idiots. Part of the problem, as I see it, is technology and how things have become almost "point and shoot" and many times actually produces a fair quality picture or even good quality. I agree with you about no one studies or seeks to learn anymore however. How may understand what that exposure means or take the time to consider lighting or sources of light and direction. How may give thought into which focal length to use to optimize a good portrait shot and when to choose a narrow depth of field verses a large depth of field or even the temperature of their light and which film to use. Okay hopefully point taken .. I do understand why you would voice that opinion for every one that seeks to call themselves a photographer, meaningfully or not, effects peoples opinion of people in your field and business, that is if you are a professional. Yes some do get lucky and do it right but nothing beats education and learning. My opinion this time. On 11/12/05 4:49 PM, in article 121120051349111777%rag@nospam.techline.com, >> I actually did a Google on your name and found mostly news group posts, >> though a publication, now defunct I believe, that was attributed to you did [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Maybe I've been in the business too long and have finally become fed up > with idiots. >> I actually did a Google on your name and found mostly news group posts, >> though a publication, now defunct I believe, that was attributed to you did [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >was a situation where someone set themself up as an expert and >apparently didn't have the chops to back it up. Let's just examine this a bit further. Why does it bother you so much that you feel compelled to point out the flaws of everybody else? Do you similarly feel compelled to point out the good you see in others? I think not really. I don't read you as that honest. Rather I think in some way you are trying to elevate yourself above the "riff raff" by keeping them from gaining too much ground. Don't fool yourself too much pal. Nastiness is not excusable in most people's book. No matter how it is justified. >I get bugged when amateurs post about photographing weddings (pet >peeve, I guess). I get bugged when people come on with a bunch of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Maybe I've been in the business too long and have finally become fed up >with idiots. Ahhhh.... Please define Idiots. I dare say that you are thinking at this instant.... "Somebody who doesn't know what they are talking about". Pretty close to the mark aren't I? Also tell me..... is there ever a time or a place where YOU could be classified as an idiot under your definition? Now try to take this exercise one step further...... How do YOU like it when somebody else points out your mistakes??? You need some empathy bud. > Let's just examine this a bit further. Why does it bother you so much > that you feel compelled to point out the flaws of everybody else? Do [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > much pal. Nastiness is not excusable in most people's book. No matter > how it is justified. Why are you unable to tell a good photograph from a bad one? > Ahhhh.... Please define Idiots. I dare say that you are thinking at > this instant.... "Somebody who doesn't know what they are talking > about". Pretty close to the mark aren't I? Let me expand on that...someone who doesn't know what they're talking about but thinks that they do. > Also tell me..... is there ever a time or a place where YOU could be > classified as an idiot under your definition? Probably, but I try not to make it public. > > Do you talk to your pastor like you talk to people in here? How about the > > other people you play music with at church? Would they all be proud to know [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > http://users.techline.com/randya Hmmm, nothing but landscapes...and weren't you the guy saying waterfall pictures were the worse thing on earth and no worthwhile photographer would even point a camera in the direction of one??? LOL. > > > Do you talk to your pastor like you talk to people in here? How about > the [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > pictures were the worse thing on earth and no worthwhile photographer would > even point a camera in the direction of one??? LOL. Could have been that UC, I confuse you two a lot...your posts always sound the same. > Hmmm, nothing but landscapes...and weren't you the guy saying waterfall > pictures were the worse thing on earth and no worthwhile photographer would > even point a camera in the direction of one??? LOL. I no longer do commercial photography and do not intend to do so in the future. I considered posting some of my old studio work but it would look very dated. The waterfall comments were made by someone else. I remember reading them (and responding), but don't remember who it was. >> Do you talk to your pastor like you talk to people in here? How about the >> other people you play music with at church? Would they all be proud to know [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >http://users.techline.com/randya So I guess you never learned the lesson "If you have nothing nice (oe decent) to say, say nothing at all."?? Nobody asked for your critique. Nobody said Randall, In your opinion what do you think of the images shown?? You had to voulenteer your opinions to the group and in doing so revealed yourself to be a Photo Snob. > So I guess you never learned the lesson "If you have nothing nice (oe > decent) to say, say nothing at all."?? The image appeared to be in focus. Satisfied? > Nobody asked for your critique. Nobody said Randall, In your opinion > what do you think of the images shown?? I didn't ask for your hack opinion either. > You had to voulenteer your opinions to the group and in doing so > revealed yourself to be a Photo Snob. Not a snob, just telling the truth. Guess you can't handle it. >> So I guess you never learned the lesson "If you have nothing nice (oe >> decent) to say, say nothing at all."?? > >The image appeared to be in focus. Satisfied? Man. That sounds like it really hurt you to say. Sorry to cause you the pain! >> Nobody asked for your critique. Nobody said Randall, In your opinion >> what do you think of the images shown?? > >I didn't ask for your hack opinion either. No. You didn't. And I can only justify my taking exception to you and your little flame way by stating that in the many MANY years I have been involved with USENET Groups I have gorwn so damned weary of the Flame Warriors that I just have to fight back. >> You had to voulenteer your opinions to the group and in doing so >> revealed yourself to be a Photo Snob. > >Not a snob, just telling the truth. Guess you can't handle it. There seems to be a fair amount of denial on your side of the table too Skippy. > You had to voulenteer your opinions to the group and in doing so > revealed yourself to be a Photo Snob. I think its because he never really made it the way he wanted as a pro and he's now bitter. What do you do now Randal? Run some web page or some sh.t? I would be bitter too if I saw people with less tallent making more money. > I think its because he never really made it the way he wanted as a pro and > he's now bitter. What do you do now Randal? Run some web page or some > sh.t? I would be bitter too if I saw people with less tallent making more > money. No bitterness here. You people need to learn how to tell a good photograph from a bad one. I am currently employed as a knowledge engineer. >> I think its because he never really made it the way he wanted as a pro and >> he's now bitter. What do you do now Randal? Run some web page or some [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >I am currently employed as a knowledge engineer. OMFG! An Engineer!!! Well now..... That explains VOLUMES!!! I was beginning to suspect that you were in one of the Holier-that-thou professions like Accounting, Engineering or Teaching! (No offense to anybody else involved in these professions and NOT feeling the Holier-than-thou delusions that they tend to foster). Randall, I understand now where your feelings of superiority come from. You dobutlessly attended some lofty University that instilled into you the fact that because you can work thinks out with paper and a pencil you are always right. Now I understand it all! You just cannot help yourself. It's an occupational disability! > You dobutlessly attended some lofty University that instilled > into you the fact that because you can work thinks out with paper and > a pencil you are always right. Now I understand it all! and you're doubtlessly one of the people who teach their kids that its "o.k." or even "cool" to be bad at math and science. welcome to America where mediocre intellect is cool. Then please do enlighten us o arogant of the arogants! Bestow upon us your blessing or photos and offers to help the less experienced... If you dont like that guide write your own! But you haven't the slimest right to critisize someone else who was trying to help those under him. of course there are going to be people this guide cant help... I dunno, I haven't read it yet, and I'm not yet near a wifi hotspot. But there will probably be a larger number of people it CAN help. Be nice >>Oh how nice of you. Are you one of those that can't smell the flowers >>cause you got your nost so high in the air? > > The sample photograph on the home page is mediocre. Sorry that you have > set your standards so low. > Then please do enlighten us o arogant of the arogants! Bestow upon us > your blessing or photos and offers to help the less experienced... No arrogance here. Just an honest opinion about a photograph. > If you dont like that guide write your own! But you haven't the slimest > right to critisize someone else who was trying to help those under him. > of course there are going to be people this guide cant help... I dunno, > I haven't read it yet, and I'm not yet near a wifi hotspot. But there > will probably be a larger number of people it CAN help. It was a mediocre image publicizing a book the guy was trying to sell. >> Then please do enlighten us o arogant of the arogants! Bestow upon us >> your blessing or photos and offers to help the less experienced... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >It was a mediocre image publicizing a book the guy was trying to sell. So don't buy it. Because you don't like the guy's work doesn't mean you have to climb up on a soap box and become an a.shole...... as if that happened over night?? The comment about "Don't quit your day job" is what I think most people took offense to. That showed you not only to be a condescending jerk but it also showed a cruel streak that runs in your core. You didn't need to say that so why did you? I would like to know an answer..... and please make it an answer... don;t take this as an opportunity to self justify more. You have done enough of that already. > So don't buy it. Because you don't like the guy's work doesn't mean > you have to climb up on a soap box and become an a.shole...... as if > that happened over night?? The photographic profession does not need more mediocrity. There's plenty to go around already. > The comment about "Don't quit your day job" is what I think most > people took offense to. That showed you not only to be a condescending [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > opportunity to self justify more. You have done enough of that > already. What are you...a shrink? In my almost 40 years of doing photography, I've come across many instances of mediocrity. I'm sick and tired of it. This was an example of someone who had set themself up as an expert (they're writing a book telling others how to do something). The image he was using to promote it was crap. Unknowlegeable people who are in the market to learn such techniques might be led to believe that the image was an example of something to strive for. It was not. You dont need a shrink.... Jesus, for someone to be soo arrogant and then feel as if they have every right to do so is sickening. Please go back to the original site and tell me exactly whether or not you think the book was geared to professionals? I can guess no... This book was written as a gesture... He wanted to help people who knew less than him... Now you said he does not know much at all... well your above him you pompous .... Well... your above him, and if he does not know as much or more than you, its because fellows with your +20 years of experience have done not even half as much as he to share. This book is a very nice contribution... and regardless of whether or not you like the photo, you should at least acknowledge the efforts he has put into writing it. It takes allot to write, and even more to want to help... You can go ahead and just continue to snap pictures if you want, but its nice to know that some people out there are interested in helping. and really... posting about this threat in another place where its completely un-related is not only un-called for, but you hardly used it to elevate the other persons portraits... you just condesended above him too... I am a newbie to photo, and if anyone at all thinks they can infer me some advice that will help, I am glad to hear it. http://davou.deviantart.com/gallery/?view=1&order=5&limit=24 >>So don't buy it. Because you don't like the guy's work doesn't mean >>you have to climb up on a soap box and become an a.shole...... as if [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > techniques might be led to believe that the image was an example of > something to strive for. It was not. > You dont need a shrink.... Jesus, for someone to be soo arrogant and > then feel as if they have every right to do so is sickening. Please go > back to the original site and tell me exactly whether or not you think > the book was geared to professionals? I can guess no... This book was > written as a gesture... He wanted to help people who knew less than him... Arrogant? So now when someone posts a link to a photograph, we must all praise it? Get real. I don't know the market the book was written for. But judging from the image used to promote it, it must have been aimed at people who wanted to take naked pictures of their SO in their living room using incandescent light. > Now you said he does not know much at all... well your above him you > pompous .... Well... your above him, and if he does not know as much or > more than you, its because fellows with your +20 years of experience > have done not even half as much as he to share. I didn't say he didnt' know much, I just said that the picture sucked. > This book is a very nice contribution... and regardless of whether or > not you like the photo, you should at least acknowledge the efforts he > has put into writing it. It takes allot to write, and even more to want > to help... You can go ahead and just continue to snap pictures if you > want, but its nice to know that some people out there are interested in > helping. Mediocrity does not deserve praise. > and really... posting about this threat in another place where its > completely un-related is not only un-called for, but you hardly used it > to elevate the other persons portraits... you just condesended above him > too... I have no idea what you're talking about here. > I am a newbie to photo, and if anyone at all thinks they can infer me > some advice that will help, I am glad to hear it. Written skills with the English language might be a start for you. do tell me, how is it your able to get an eye in front of the viewfinder with your own nose shoved up your a.s? >>You dont need a shrink.... Jesus, for someone to be soo arrogant and >>then feel as if they have every right to do so is sickening. Please go [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Written skills with the English language might be a start for you. > do tell me, how is it your able to get an eye in front of the viewfinder > with your own nose shoved up your a.s? Why is it you're unable to distinguish a good image from a bad one? >> do tell me, how is it your able to get an eye in front of the viewfinder >> with your own nose shoved up your a.s? > >Why is it you're unable to distinguish a good image from a bad one? I think the real distinction people here are making is not between a good photo and a bad one. Rather between a good person and a bad one. > Arrogant? So now when someone posts a link to a photograph, we must all > praise it? Get real. I don't know the market the book was written for. > But judging from the image used to promote it, it must have been aimed > at people who wanted to take naked pictures of their SO in their living > room using incandescent light. No, but you should not criticize someone when they are trying to help > I didn't say he didnt' know much, I just said that the picture sucked. you should shut your arrogant mouth unless your going to be using it to contribute on a newsgroup. > Mediocrity does not deserve praise. You have still yet to prove you can do any better... Also, the photos are not the subject here, his contribution to the photographic community is. > I have no idea what you're talking about here. Threat=thread (typo) ====== In article <kvedncW9kdnS7OvenZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@midco.net>, DBLEXPOSURE <celstuff@hotmail.com> wrote: Well, they're better than the guy trying to sell the "How to take pictures of naked women" book. ====== Not only are you an a.s, you beat the dead horse. > Written skills with the English language might be a start for you. You go beyond the topic of photography to be an a.s, bravo, you've surpassed yourself.... > > Mediocrity does not deserve praise. > You have still yet to prove you can do any better... Also, the photos > are not the subject here, his contribution to the photographic community is. Yes hes already stated that his work DOESN'T stand the test of time. A good nude should be timeless. > No, but you should not criticize someone when they are trying to help He was trying to sell a book, not giving advice out of the goodness of his heart. > you should shut your arrogant mouth unless your going to be using it to > contribute on a newsgroup. You should learn to distinguish between good photographs and bad ones. > You have still yet to prove you can do any better... Also, the photos > are not the subject here, his contribution to the photographic community is. Been there, done that. Besides earning a living for 16+ years running a portrait studio, I served for 10 years on the Board of Trustees for a professional photography school - providing a top quality education to professional photographers. Then, there are the seminars I've personally given through the years. > Not only are you an a.s, you beat the dead horse. I think I know what you're beating. >> No, but you should not criticize someone when they are trying to help > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >I think I know what you're beating. Time and time again you confirm the depravity of your character. >> You dont need a shrink.... Jesus, for someone to be soo arrogant and >> then feel as if they have every right to do so is sickening. Please go [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >I didn't say he didnt' know much, I just said that the picture sucked. So you judged him and infirior without even seeing what his book had to say? Wow... That's some pretty frightening insights you have there. >> This book is a very nice contribution... and regardless of whether or >> not you like the photo, you should at least acknowledge the efforts he [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Mediocrity does not deserve praise. Did it even cross your mind to re-pjrase your critisism to something like "Perhaps this book will enlighten us as to how to avoide the pitfalls displayed in the example photograph." Now that's a critisism that says most of what you wanted to without being so patently nasty as "Don't give up your day job". Nawww..... You just have a mean, nasty streak in you and it's as simple as that. You area mean man, and I suspect cruel as well. >> and really... posting about this threat in another place where its >> completely un-related is not only un-called for, but you hardly used it [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Written skills with the English language might be a start for you. Ahhh...... All previous points confirmed. This one sentance put you on the verge of my Killfile. Man, you really are an a.shole aren't you? I thought I might gain something from you and talking to you but now..... I am really believing that my world will gain nothing from your expenditure of useful bandwidth any further. >> So don't buy it. Because you don't like the guy's work doesn't mean >> you have to climb up on a soap box and become an a.shole...... as if [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >What are you...a shrink? Nawww. I got enough problems of my own to centend with. I just bash Flame Warriors for thge fun of it. >In my almost 40 years of doing photography, I've come across many >instances of mediocrity. I'm sick and tired of it. This was an example [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >techniques might be led to believe that the image was an example of >something to strive for. It was not. Did you run out and buy the book? >> So don't buy it. Because you don't like the guy's work doesn't mean >> you have to climb up on a soap box and become an a.shole...... as if [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >techniques might be led to believe that the image was an example of >something to strive for. It was not. Oh and the title of the group here says NOTHING abouot "Professionals" He may be arrogant but he is also right... Signature______________________________ Patrickg _____________________________ > >>> Glamour Nude Photography at home [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Arrogant bastard. Then lets see him add more info to the stack. Critisism without foundation is just waiving a flag of arrogance around. > He may be arrogant but he is also right... > Then lets see him add more info to the stack. Critisism without > foundation is just waiving a flag of arrogance around. How long do we have to carry this thing out? The guy had a picture of some naked woman laying on what looked like the living room floor, poorly lit by incandescent light with no concept of posing. The only things that would have made it worse is if she had been ugly and lit with just a strobe on the hot shoe. please do shut me and the author of this threat up by giving a brief outline of the proper methods in which to light a model. >>Then lets see him add more info to the stack. Critisism without >>foundation is just waiving a flag of arrogance around. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > of posing. The only things that would have made it worse is if she had > been ugly and lit with just a strobe on the hot shoe. > please do shut me and the author of this threat up by giving a brief > outline of the proper methods in which to light a model. The style may appear dated, but the principles are the basis of professional photographic lighting: http://www.msnusers.com/Asktheoleproaboutphotography/joezeltsman.msnw > > Glamour Nude Photography at home > > Howto book for amateur photographers > > I can much better than that (and have numerous times in the past) and > don't need your book. If that's an example of the best your book can > produce, don't quit your day job. Have you ever posted your work to back these claims? I'd love to see your site. Thanks DH > Have you ever posted your work to back these claims? I'd love to see your > site. Thanks Gee, I just posted a link to my site in a message in the thread this morning. Sorry, no nudies there...just pictorials. |
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