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Need Help to detect image manipulation

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dbcooper@columbia.org - 26 Oct 2005 23:10 GMT
I am looking for ways to detect if digital images have been altered
“photoshopped”.  If anyone could direct me to a program or method to
determine this it would be much appreciated.
DBLEXPOSURE - 27 Oct 2005 00:58 GMT
>I am looking for ways to detect if digital images have been altered
> “photoshopped”.  If anyone could direct me to a program or method to
> determine this it would be much appreciated.

No software.  You need a trained eye
Scott W - 27 Oct 2005 02:47 GMT
> I am looking for ways to detect if digital images have been altered
> "photoshopped".  If anyone could direct me to a program or method to
> determine this it would be much appreciated.

It depends in large part on how good the person is who is doing the
Photoshop work.  Photoshop leaves its mark on the exif data, which is
pretty easy to edit back to make it look like it has not be edited.  If
you really got into it there is a lot of detail as to how a jpeg file
is stored, it would be somewhat difficult for just anybody to exactly
copy how a given camera saved the jpeg file.

Raw files would be much harder to fake then jpeg, but not impossible.

Of course almost any photo this is posted on the internet has been
edited by resizing if nothing else.

What is the source of the photos that you are worried about, if you
don't mind me asking?

Scott
dbcooper@columbia.org - 27 Oct 2005 05:17 GMT
it has to do with an internet purchase, where the picture of an item we
purchased did not truly represent the piece.  To say the least the photo was
flattering the condition of the item.  Was curious to see if the original
photo had been more than resized or color enhanced.  Thanks again for your
all input.
Scott W - 27 Oct 2005 06:33 GMT
> it has to do with an internet purchase, where the picture of an item we
> purchased did not truly represent the piece.  To say the least the photo was
> flattering the condition of the item.  Was curious to see if the original
> photo had been more than resized or color enhanced.  Thanks again for your
> all input.

The problem then is that the photo was edited but it would be very hard
to tell just how much it was edited.  

Scott
DBLEXPOSURE - 27 Oct 2005 15:36 GMT
> it has to do with an internet purchase, where the picture of an item we
> purchased did not truly represent the piece.  To say the least the photo
> was
> flattering the condition of the item.  Was curious to see if the original
> photo had been more than resized or color enhanced.  Thanks again for your
> all input.

Never, Never judge a product by the photo.  Most sites tell you that the
product may not exactly match the photo.  The food you order at Denny's
never looks like the photo in the menu.

almost all product shots are manipulated.
Hunt - 28 Oct 2005 16:16 GMT
>> it has to do with an internet purchase, where the picture of an item we
>> purchased did not truly represent the piece.  To say the least the photo
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>
>almost all product shots are manipulated.

Exactly. The tenent of advertising photography is to flatter the product as
much as is possible. This might just be the lighting, or the selection of
lens to visually distort length, etc. I may also go into image manipulation.
In the days before digital, it was common to "pump up" colors with Flexichrome
dyes. Once one got into "airbrushing" it was more graphic art, than
photography. As one who has spent half a lifetime photographing computer
boxes, to make them look sexy, or tiny resort rooms to make them look spacious
and bright, its far more than a color/contrast tweak.

Hunt
Whiskers - 31 Oct 2005 15:58 GMT
> it has to do with an internet purchase, where the picture of an item we
> purchased did not truly represent the piece.  To say the least the photo was
> flattering the condition of the item.  Was curious to see if the original
> photo had been more than resized or color enhanced.  Thanks again for your
> all input.

The easiest way to produce a misleading photo for an advertisement, is to
photograph something that isn't the item being offered for sale.  No techy
tricks, just plain old subterfuge and deceit - or laziness, by 'borrowing' a
picture of 'something similar' from 'somewhere else'.

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