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Mike - 28 Sep 2005 19:06 GMT

Does anyone have experience with Kirlian photography? I see you can
purchase devices on the Internet but they seem quite expensive ($1,000+).
Is there anyway to build your own for much less?

Thanks,

Mike

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Rob Novak - 28 Sep 2005 20:17 GMT

>Does anyone have experience with Kirlian photography? I see you can
>purchase devices on the Internet but they seem quite expensive ($1,000+).
>Is there anyway to build your own for much less?

Google "neon sign transformer" and then head here:
http://www.cebunet.com/kirlian/plans.htm

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Christian Bonanno - 28 Sep 2005 22:38 GMT

> >Does anyone have experience with Kirlian photography? I see you can
> >purchase devices on the Internet but they seem quite expensive ($1,000+).
> >Is there anyway to build your own for much less?
>
> Google "neon sign transformer" and then head here:
> http://www.cebunet.com/kirlian/plans.htm

Then read here:
http://skepdic.com/kirlian.html

I am all for alternative medicine but there is no scientific basis for
this device. Feel free to waste your time and money though.

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http://christianbonanno.com/

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DBLEXPOSURE - 29 Sep 2005 04:13 GMT

>> >Does anyone have experience with Kirlian photography? I see you can
>> >purchase devices on the Internet but they seem quite expensive
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> Photographs by Christian Bonanno
> http://christianbonanno.com/

Then read here.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian

Seems the kirlian effect is real but the metaphysical crap is just that,
crap. There are scientific explanations.

Plans for a cheap camera http://www.cebunet.com/kirlian/plans.htm It does
seem like a waste of time

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Mike - 29 Sep 2005 14:28 GMT

I've seen simple before and after pics of vegetables, the after being once
it was cooked for a couple minutes. Whatever you want to call it but the
energy in the pic was clearly different. I'm interested from a nutritional
point of view, not so much for the people auras. I.e. As a piece of
fruit/vegetable ages each day how does the energy dwindle and does this have
any correlation to the nutrition you receive?

Thanks for the info.

>>> >Does anyone have experience with Kirlian photography? I see you can
>>> >purchase devices on the Internet but they seem quite expensive
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> Plans for a cheap camera http://www.cebunet.com/kirlian/plans.htm It does
> seem like a waste of time

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Marvin - 29 Sep 2005 16:12 GMT

> I've seen simple before and after pics of vegetables, the after being once
> it was cooked for a couple minutes. Whatever you want to call it but the
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>
> Thanks for the info.

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You are making the assumption that the change in the pattern reflects something called
energy. Put your thinking cap on, and consider whether cooking might have changed the
high-frequency electrical qualities of the vegetable.

This crackpot stuff has been around for quite some time now. Why revive it when there is
newer nonsense you could waste time on?

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DBLEXPOSURE - 29 Sep 2005 16:35 GMT

E=MC^2

If your fruit looses mass it looses energy, you can't measure it with a
camera, try a scale.

> I've seen simple before and after pics of vegetables, the after being once
> it was cooked for a couple minutes. Whatever you want to call it but the
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>> Plans for a cheap camera http://www.cebunet.com/kirlian/plans.htm It
>> does seem like a waste of time

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Stan de SD - 29 Sep 2005 20:50 GMT

> E=MC^2
>
> If your fruit looses mass it looses energy, you can't measure it with a
> camera, try a scale.

If the energy loss is big enough to be measured on a kitchen scale, you're
going to have a hell of a mess... :O|

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Stan de SD - 29 Sep 2005 20:49 GMT

> I've seen simple before and after pics of vegetables, the after being once
> it was cooked for a couple minutes. Whatever you want to call it but the
> energy in the pic was clearly different. I'm interested from a nutritional
> point of view, not so much for the people auras. I.e. As a piece of
> fruit/vegetable ages each day how does the energy dwindle

How does "energy" dwindle from an aging vegetable, unless you are referring
to calorie loss from losing biomass?

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Mike - 29 Sep 2005 21:53 GMT

Hey, I'm not a food scientist but would you rather eat a fresh apple or a
wrotten one?

>> I've seen simple before and after pics of vegetables, the after being
>> once
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> referring
> to calorie loss from losing biomass?

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DBLEXPOSURE - 29 Sep 2005 22:19 GMT

> Hey, I'm not a food scientist but would you rather eat a fresh apple or a
> wrotten one?
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>> referring
>> to calorie loss from losing biomass?

The amount of energy in your food has little or nothing to do with whether
on not it is good to eat or good for you.

Your human senses are way better equipped to determine which apple is good
and which is rotten.

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Rob Novak - 29 Sep 2005 22:32 GMT

>Hey, I'm not a food scientist but would you rather eat a fresh apple or a
>wrotten one?

Any change in a Kirlian exposure is due to a change in the conductive
properties of the object to high-voltage electricity. No mystical
aura, no "energy levels" - just voltage, resistance and a healthy
application of Ohm's Law and Faraday's findings in re: static
electricity and the skin effect.

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Stan de SD - 30 Sep 2005 09:54 GMT

> Hey, I'm not a food scientist

You're obviously not a scientist of any sort... :O|

> but would you rather eat a fresh apple or a
> wrotten one?

You need to take a photo to figure that out?

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Chris - 29 Sep 2005 23:23 GMT

The leaf is connected to a high voltage source and the printing paper and
the leaf put on the plate of copper so that the positive electrode is
connected to the plate and the negative electrode to the leaf stem.

You can use a child's shock coil (a tesla coil) to generate the electricity
but a diode might help (high voltage (500V) are a bit pokey but not
expensive and you will need a 1 M ohm resistor on the negative end of the
diode to connect to the leaf to make it safe.

During the exposure an electric current (a few microamps) flows and the
current flows through the leaf into the printing photographic paper. This
resduces the silver chloride to silver and when developed there is an aura
round the leaf ouline. The shape and extent of the aura will be influenced
by the electrical properties of the leaf, like its resitance and that is
affected by the amount of water and the distribution of electrolytes in the
leaf. Dead leaves are quite different from living ones so there can be a bif
difference in aura.

Chris.

>> I've seen simple before and after pics of vegetables, the after being
>> once
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> referring
> to calorie loss from losing biomass?

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Mike - 30 Sep 2005 00:30 GMT

Sounds like you know the topic quite well. Do you need a new copper plate
for each run or can they be reused in some way?

Is this only measuring electrolytes or is there another variable? From what
I read (here included), what it measures is not fully known and therefore
deemed a waste of time.

I read one article that spoke about a leaf that was cut but yet the "aura"
was still showing the full leaf. Any explanations?

I was also wondering if the change in measureable nutrition from a fresh
fuit/vegetable to a cooked one also shows the same percentage change with
the kirlian method. Do you know of any comparisons like that?

Thanks.

> The leaf is connected to a high voltage source and the printing paper and
> the leaf put on the plate of copper so that the positive electrode is
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>> referring
>> to calorie loss from losing biomass?

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Rob Novak - 30 Sep 2005 04:26 GMT

>I read one article that spoke about a leaf that was cut but yet the "aura"
>was still showing the full leaf. Any explanations?

"Researchers at Drexel University, however, have claimed that they
were unable to reproduce the effect when the glass used to capture the
original leaf was replaced with new glass before the freshly cut leaf
was photographed, leading them to conclude that the "cut leaf"
phenomenon was caused by microscopic etching in the surface of the
glass which occurred during preparing the images of the uncut leaf.
They also reported on a number of demonstrable causes such as surface
moisture and pressure which can account for much of the variations in
color, shape, and size of the resulting image."

There is no aura. Only an electrical corona. No magic, no mysticism,
no mumbo-jumbo, untapped spirit energy, life force, or mojo.

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