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I just purchased a Canon Rebel XT. It's a pretty awesome camera! However, I was sad to learn that I will NOT able to use the LCD screen to view the images I am about to shoot. I was almost going to bring it back for that reason. However, after reading so many incredible reviews on it, I think I'll keep it. Did I read wrong? Can I use the LCD to view and sample my shots? Thanks > I just purchased a Canon Rebel XT. It's a pretty awesome camera! However, I > was sad to learn that I will NOT able to use the LCD screen to view the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Did I read wrong? Can I use the LCD to view and sample my shots? > Thanks The short answer is: No. You can use the LCD to REview your pictures after they have been taken. The LCD can't provide a live preview, because the mirror and shutter are between the image sensor and lens while you are looking through the viewfinder and only move out of the way when the shutter button is pressed and an image is taken. This page gives a more detailed decription: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSLR> If live preview is what you are after, then perhaps something like the Panasonic FZ20 or KM Dimage A2 would be more like what you were expecting? They are not SRL cameras, even though they are shaped like them. The viewfinder on both of them is realy a tiny LCD screen that shows what the sensor sees. Neither of these will give you the same low noise image that a DSLR (like the Canon 350D) can, because of the smaller sensor which is (unfortunately) inherently noisier. > > I just purchased a Canon Rebel XT. It's a pretty awesome camera! However, I > > was sad to learn that I will NOT able to use the LCD screen to view the [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > (like the Canon 350D) can, because of the smaller sensor which is > (unfortunately) inherently noisier. My girlfriend had(still has)a sony DSC-P8 camera and was lucky enough to be given a 350D. She is still really a beginner but would love to get in to photography in a serious way. Whats a good place to start ie books to recommend or classes to attend? Thanks for any advice. Ardz :-) > My girlfriend had(still has)a sony DSC-P8 camera and was lucky enough to be > given a 350D. She is still really a beginner but would love to get in to > photography in a serious way. Whats a good place to start ie books to > recommend or classes to attend? Thanks for any advice. Check with your city government, community colleges, or ask at the library. Larger (US) cities organize a whole catalog of classes for interested citizens, led by local experts. For example, I live in a city of 250,000 people, and the catalog for the next 3 months is 60 pages thick, including 6 photography classes. Costs range from $15 for a 2-hour specialty session, to $55 for a 6-session intro class. Richard > > > I just purchased a Canon Rebel XT. It's a pretty awesome camera! > However, I [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Ardz :-) Given a 350d?!? nice! > > > > I just purchased a Canon Rebel XT. It's a pretty awesome camera! > > However, I [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Given a 350d?!? nice! To cut a long story short my Brother came upon a windfall and asked what she would like. She already had an EOS 3000n camera with lenses and after using the Sony wanted to go Digital with an EOS. Very impressed with the images... makes the Sony ones(which i thought were good)look washed out. FWIW, there's no way I'd trade LCD preview for the shutter delay. When I press the shutter release, I want the camera to take the picture. There's a whole bunch of neat shots I've gotten (people, so I can't post 'em) that I wouldn't have had I had to deal with shutter delay. From: "song writer" <iwritesongs@verizon.net> | I just purchased a Canon Rebel XT. It's a pretty awesome camera! However, I | was sad to learn that I will NOT able to use the LCD screen to view the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] | Did I read wrong? Can I use the LCD to view and sample my shots? | Thanks You are just used to using a camera in bad fashion. The viewfinder is the best way to see what you are about to shoot. Using the LCD display to take a picture puts people into a bad habit. Do not return the camera. Learn to use the viewfinder. You'll find you have clearer photos and lets jittery shots because when the camera is next to your eye your hand won't shake as much and influence the quality of your shots. You have an excellent camera. Learn to use it it. You'll *never* want to go back to a point & shoot camera where you can use the LCD display to compose a shot.  SignatureDave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm > You have an excellent camera. Learn to use it it. You'll *never* want to go back to a > point & shoot camera where you can use the LCD display to compose a shot. > > -- > Dave Amen >I just purchased a Canon Rebel XT. It's a pretty awesome camera! However, I >was sad to learn that I will NOT able to use the LCD screen to view the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Did I read wrong? Can I use the LCD to view and sample my shots? >Thanks That's correct, you can't use the LCD to compose your shots. But don't be discouraged - this is true of all DSLR cameras, due to how they operate. So it's not like you bought a model that doesn't do this when you could have bought a model that did - none of them do. You could buy a non-SLR that lets you compose using the LCD, but then you'll miss out on all the features your SLR offers that a point-and-shoot won't (most notably interchangeable lenses). Don't worry, after a short while you won't even miss this feature. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mike Kohary mike at kohary dot com http://www.kohary.com Karma Photography: http://www.karmaphotography.com Seahawks Historical Database: http://www.kohary.com/seahawks ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I just purchased a Canon Rebel XT. It's a pretty awesome camera! However, I > was sad to learn that I will NOT able to use the LCD screen to view the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Did I read wrong? Can I use the LCD to view and sample my shots? > Thanks Put it in the box and take it back. You're too stupid to have a camera like that. >> I just purchased a Canon Rebel XT. It's a pretty awesome camera! >> However, I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Put it in the box and take it back. You're too stupid to have a camera > like that. Hope you boosted your ego with that one, you need it. > Hope you boosted your ego with that one, you need it. Just trying to save a newbie some grief. Anybody who spends $1,000 and doesn't understand beforehand that the mirror & shutter do not allow a live preview...that person needs to be using a different camera. It is way beyond their skill level. On 9/6/05 9:22 PM, in article 060920051822513647%rag@nospam.techline.com, >> Hope you boosted your ego with that one, you need it. > > Just trying to save a newbie some grief. Anybody who spends $1,000 and > doesn't understand beforehand that the mirror & shutter do not allow a > live preview...that person needs to be using a different camera. It is > way beyond their skill level. Your idiotic comment to me in your previous post was sophomoric at the least, and displays a critical lack of intelligence on your part. I wasn't going to dignify your comment with a reply at first. But since you continue to make a fool out of yourself, I figure what the hell. > > Just trying to save a newbie some grief. Anybody who spends $1,000 and > > doesn't understand beforehand that the mirror & shutter do not allow a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I wasn't going to dignify your comment with a reply at first. But since you > continue to make a fool out of yourself, I figure what the hell. You're probably the type that holds a digital camera at arm's length to compose the image through the LCD screen. >> I wasn't going to dignify your comment with a reply at first. But since you >> continue to make a fool out of yourself, I figure what the hell. > > You're probably the type that holds a digital camera at arm's length to > compose the image through the LCD screen. Randall, Do you ever say anything nice? Between this thread and the thread about the SD9, you are not appearing very dignified, but rather, you appear frustrated. Maybe you should direct your energy inward for a bit of self examination .... oh ... and get laid. SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 Spammers please contact me at renegade@veldy.net. From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@yahoo.com> | Randall, | | Do you ever say anything nice? Between this thread and the thread about | the SD9, you are not appearing very dignified, but rather, you appear | frustrated. Maybe you should direct your energy inward for a bit of | self examination .... oh ... and get laid. He has ALWAYS posted in such a fashion. It is really sad to see someone piss on themselves. SignatureDave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm > Do you ever say anything nice? Between this thread and the thread about > the SD9, you are not appearing very dignified, but rather, you appear > frustrated. Maybe you should direct your energy inward for a bit of > self examination .... oh ... and get laid. Well, let's see. A guy spends $1,000 on a camera without doing the proper research ahead of time. Another guy tries to tell me that a 3.42MP kiddie toy is equivalent to a 6.3MP prosumer camera. >> Do you ever say anything nice? Between this thread and the thread about >> the SD9, you are not appearing very dignified, but rather, you appear [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >proper research ahead of time. Another guy tries to tell me that a >3.42MP kiddie toy is equivalent to a 6.3MP prosumer camera. Sounds like the newsgroup is stressing you out. Maybe you should leave for a while. Or just leave. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mike Kohary mike at kohary dot com http://www.kohary.com Karma Photography: http://www.karmaphotography.com Seahawks Historical Database: http://www.kohary.com/seahawks ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Do you ever say anything nice? Between this thread and the thread about >> the SD9, you are not appearing very dignified, but rather, you appear [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > proper research ahead of time. Another guy tries to tell me that a > 3.42MP kiddie toy is equivalent to a 6.3MP prosumer camera. You reference to kiddie toys and homer simpson skin tones is just getting plain and simply old ... and annoying. People do things that don't always make sense. In this case he bought a camera that was perhaps out of his league. He is happy to grow into his league. But instead, you lambast him and berate him. But, I guess we could say that you are offering a valuable community service? SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 Spammers please contact me at renegade@veldy.net. > You reference to kiddie toys and homer simpson skin tones is just > getting plain and simply old ... and annoying. Facts don't change. The Sigma always has been and remains an overpriced piece of junk. > People do things that don't always make sense. In this case he bought a > camera that was perhaps out of his league. He is happy to grow into his > league. But instead, you lambast him and berate him. But, I guess we > could say that you are offering a valuable community service? Maybe I come from a time when people educated themselves before making a major purchase. > Maybe I come from a time when people educated themselves before making > a major purchase. So that is an excuse to be an a.s? Berating him for buying a good camera with his money is OK with you? SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1 Spammers please contact me at renegade@veldy.net. >>People do things that don't always make sense. In this case he bought a >>camera that was perhaps out of his league. He is happy to grow into his [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Maybe I come from a time when people educated themselves before making > a major purchase. And perhaps the rest of us come from a time where people were polite because they *chose* to be polite, not because there was any logic or reasoning that would leave us no other choice. I do understand your logic, but that's in no way an excuse to be blatantly impolite -- as someone else said, he buys something that seems to be out of his league with *his* money and that offends you to the point that you're compelled to insult him? Actually, now that I think about it, no, I do not really understand your logic! ;-) Carlos -- >Maybe I come from a time when people educated themselves before making >a major purchase. How does that give you license to be rude? -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mike Kohary mike at kohary dot com http://www.kohary.com Karma Photography: http://www.karmaphotography.com Seahawks Historical Database: http://www.kohary.com/seahawks ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> You reference to kiddie toys and homer simpson skin tones is just >> getting plain and simply old ... and annoying. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Maybe I come from a time when people educated themselves before making > a major purchase. Unfortunately, you don't come from a time where civility is practiced. You are the most juvenile and uncivil person in this newsgroup. You really should bring yourself up to a higher maturity level. > Unfortunately, you don't come from a time where civility is practiced. You > are the most juvenile and uncivil person in this newsgroup. You really > should bring yourself up to a higher maturity level. You should quit trying to promote a piece of junk camera system. >> You reference to kiddie toys and homer simpson skin tones is just >> getting plain and simply old ... and annoying. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Maybe I come from a time when people educated themselves before making > a major purchase. didn't the OP's sister get given the 350d for free? (snipped) Hey Randall: shut up. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mike Kohary mike at kohary dot com http://www.kohary.com Karma Photography: http://www.karmaphotography.com Seahawks Historical Database: http://www.kohary.com/seahawks ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > (snipped) > > Hey Randall: shut up. There's no greater example of contrast as there is between you and Randall. While disagreeing, you can do it while still being civil. Randall, on the other hand, wouldn't know how to be either agreeable or civil. It's a pity, he must be one miserable guy, at least he demonstrates that in every post. >> (snipped) >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >other hand, wouldn't know how to be either agreeable or civil. It's a pity, >he must be one miserable guy, at least he demonstrates that in every post. I used to be civil to Randall too. But while he's a good photographer who probably has some good knowledge to offer, he mostly acts like an asshat, so I don't worry about being civil to him. After all, he'd never worry about being civil to me. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mike Kohary mike at kohary dot com http://www.kohary.com Karma Photography: http://www.karmaphotography.com Seahawks Historical Database: http://www.kohary.com/seahawks ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 9/7/05 9:07 AM, in article 070920050607239419%rag@nospam.techline.com, > You're probably the type that holds a digital camera at arm's length to > compose the image through the LCD screen. Actually, I'm a professional designer. And I have a very good eye for photography. I'm planning on adding artistic photography as well as digital videos to my portfolio. And what do you do? From: "song writer" <iwritesongs@verizon.net> | On 9/7/05 9:07 AM, in article 070920050607239419%rag@nospam.techline.com, | [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] | | And what do you do? Bullies posters. SignatureDave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm > From: "song writer" <iwritesongs@verizon.net> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Bullies posters. He doesn't have the testicular fortitude to do it in person, it's typical of a usenet bully. >> From: "song writer" <iwritesongs@verizon.net> >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >He doesn't have the testicular fortitude to do it in person, it's typical of >a usenet bully. He knows he'd get his a.s kicked if he said the stuff he says here to anyone's face. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mike Kohary mike at kohary dot com http://www.kohary.com Karma Photography: http://www.karmaphotography.com Seahawks Historical Database: http://www.kohary.com/seahawks ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > He doesn't have the testicular fortitude to do it in person, it's typical of > a usenet bully. Actually, if you were standing right in front of me trying to extol the virtues of Sigma cameras, I'd say the same thing. > Actually, I'm a professional designer. And I have a very good eye for > photography. I'm planning on adding artistic photography as well as digital > videos to my portfolio. > > And what do you do? I was a professional photographer for 16+ years (had a portrait studio) and now work as a Knowledge Engineer. Randall Ainsworth schreef: > > Actually, I'm a professional designer. And I have a very good eye for > > photography. I'm planning on adding artistic photography as well as digital [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I was a professional photographer for 16+ years (had a portrait > studio) and now work as a Knowledge Engineer. You engineer knowledge? > You engineer knowledge? I work for a company that does a number of things. We operate a small call center, doing tech support for a handful of large companies. We also create knowledge base articles. When you go to a Web site to get answers with a problem, and the search engine brings up articles about how to do certain procedures...I write and edit those articles. Go to http://support.wamu.com for examples of ones we create. This isn't one of my clients, but we do work for WaMu. And we do similar work for companies' internal Web sites...internal documents, etc. >> You engineer knowledge? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > isn't one of my clients, but we do work for WaMu. And we do similar > work for companies' internal Web sites...internal documents, etc. It can't be your work, it's not insulting, condescending, or replete with smart-aleck responses. > It can't be your work, it's not insulting, condescending, or replete with > smart-aleck responses. I work on internal WaMu documents, T-Mobile, TiVo, Cox, Philips/Magnavox, and American Airlines. Hey, thats what george does these days too! > > You engineer knowledge? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > isn't one of my clients, but we do work for WaMu. And we do similar > work for companies' internal Web sites...internal documents, etc. So your photography business was doing so good you decided to become a web page editor working for someone else instead of yourself...yay for you. > So your photography business was doing so good you decided to become a web > page editor working for someone else instead of yourself...yay for you. It was time for a change for a variety of reasons. I'm new on this board but I just have to know something...why did you trade a 16+ year photography career for being a "knowledge engineer" which sounds as though it were a made up career at best? And if you are in the business of imparting knowledge to people,why do you have to do so here in such a seemingly snotty manner? As I said, I am new to this group and if it weren't for the fact that I have three older brothers, am married and have two sons, I'd quit reading this board because it sounds like a lot of one-upmanship here. You know the kind of thing I'm talking about..."my thing is bigger than your thing so shut up"...that sort of thing. Or maybe it is just something in the water you guys are drinking...or maybe wish you were drinking... I'll go back to trying to learn something and minding my own business now... >> You engineer knowledge? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > isn't one of my clients, but we do work for WaMu. And we do similar > work for companies' internal Web sites...internal documents, etc. > I'm new on this board but I just have to know something...why did you trade > a 16+ year photography career for being a "knowledge engineer" which sounds [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > something in the water you guys are drinking...or maybe wish you were > drinking... I closed the studio for a variety of reasons...money, health, declining local market condition, environmental hassles... After that, I worked in a computer store for 8+ years assembling new computers, fixing broken ones, providing tech support, and teaching classes. Knowledge engineer is not made up. You can view the company's Web site at www.safeharbor.com. Randall Ainsworth schreef: > > I'm new on this board but I just have to know something...why did you trade > > a 16+ year photography career for being a "knowledge engineer" which sounds [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Knowledge engineer is not made up. You can view the company's Web site > at www.safeharbor.com. of course its made up, randall. They just didn't tell you > I closed the studio for a variety of reasons...money, health, declining > local market condition, environmental hassles... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Knowledge engineer is not made up. You can view the company's Web site > at www.safeharbor.com. Teaching? With your smart-aleck attitude? > Teaching? With your smart-aleck attitude? I am a professional. >> Teaching? With your smart-aleck attitude? > > I am a professional. There is allot more to being a professional than collecting a paycheck > There is allot more to being a professional than collecting a paycheck How would you know? >> There is allot more to being a professional than collecting a paycheck > > How would you know? Don't think you can lead me into some juvenile debate about who is better than who. I am not that immature. However, you sir seem to prove what you are made of at every turn and with every word you use in every response you have written in this group. Your reply here is about as mature as six year old stating, "I know you are, but what am I", That is exactly how you come off in most, if not all of your posts. Your proclamation of being a, "professional", is further proof of your true nature. To use that phrase in your defense is something that a true professional would never do. That sort of response is typical of a below average or mediocre person who has delusions of grandeur. A true professional will not make grand descriptive comments of himself but will leave others to be the judge of that. At this point you have more than proved that you have absolutely nothing positive or constructive to offer anybody who visits this group seeking knowledge or advice. This is clearly evident in every post that you have ever written. With that said, I invite you to leave, take a walk, pedal on and get a life. Nobody here who really cares or is serious about photography really cares to hear anymore of what you have to say. Do your troll crap elswhere... Did you hear that? That was the sound of you being plonked... >> Teaching? With your smart-aleck attitude? > > I am a professional. BWAAHAAAHAAAHAAA!!! Gee. "Knowledge engineer". Where I am from and where I go to school (which, by the way, is in the middle of the United States somewhere), that sounds suspiciously like a career we call a "Technical Writer"; that is one who writes technical-minded type papers. You know, user manuals, white papers, and (if they get really desperate for income, which you probably are not) things like "______ For Dummies" books. (Fill in the blank with whatever subject you wish. I for one like those books because there are a lot of things I wouldn't know otherwise.) The thing here for my point of view, sir, is this; if you have as much knowledge acrued in your wonderful brain as you seem to have, I think that you might be able to find enough words to disagree with someone as to what they like, can afford, maybe don't know because they are humble __beginners__ (please think of that as italicized or underlined so as to stress a point, if you will) where you may not be (meaning that you have more "experience" than the rest of us) without stripping them of their dignity. Surely if you think you have a dire need to "put others in their place" then you must be able to do so in a much more polite style benefitting your station in life. One other observation, if I may. (Well I'm going to whether you like it or not.) If you closed your studio in truth because of money, declining local market conditions, and environmental reasons, then I feel sorry for you. That is because when you started in photography you did so because you thought you could make a lot of money at it. That sir is only a partially true assumption; you can make money at "it" if you work hard enough. That is true of any career, not just photography. Unfortunately, this is a career that you also need to have a passion for as well as being a bit of an artist for even doing protrait and other studio photography. You have to be able to capture that certain essence that makes a photo something that people do not want to take their eyes from. But I guess with all this experience that you have that is something you understand. If health was the prime reason for closing your studio, you have my condolences on your loss of a wonderful calling. Capturing a moment in time for people is something that is surely filled with a rewarding feeling. Possibly not the moment you take the photo when the little kids are squirming and the adults can't stand it and you are at the end of your patience level for the day. But there is a moment when a lot of people are grateful to those of us who have been called to photography as a career or a hobby. Times such as when a loved one passes away and all they have left is the photo that you took for them, times when someone doing a geneaology search finds that old and ancient photo that truly connects them with their ancestors, photos such as I have found in my search for my fanily beginnings. Sometimes from those photos come clues to our ancestors that we wouldn't otherwise have. I just hope that you are now as happy with this career as you surely were behind a camera. >> I'm new on this board but I just have to know something...why did you >> trade [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Knowledge engineer is not made up. You can view the company's Web site > at www.safeharbor.com. > Gee. "Knowledge engineer". Where I am from and where I go to school > (which, by the way, is in the middle of the United States somewhere), that [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > otherwise have. I just hope that you are now as happy with this career as > you surely were behind a camera. Randall happy? As long as he has to live with himself that's impossible. Could you be happy living with a miserable person like him? I sometimes do! :) I've been married for almost 25 years now with a 22 yo and an 18 yo (both boys), a soon-to-be-ex daughter-in-law, and two unbelieveably beautiful granddaughters ages 3 years and 7 months. Being the only female in a house full of testosterone (I also have four cats, three of whom are male!), life is most definitely a challenge on some days. Oh, and I am a full-time student as well. Go figure that one out!! LOL! > >(snipped for brevity) > > Randall happy? As long as he has to live with himself that's impossible. > Could you be happy living with a miserable person like him? > Gee. "Knowledge engineer". Where I am from and where I go to school (which, > by the way, is in the middle of the United States somewhere), that sounds [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > subject you wish. I for one like those books because there are a lot of > things I wouldn't know otherwise.) Technical writer would be an apt description. But we don't write books. Let's say you're having a problem with online banking with WaMu. You enter your problem into the search engine and it returns some result that may solve your problem. You click on one of these and it's something along the lines of a How Do I kind of thing. With logical steps illustrated with high-quality screen captures when necessary, the article guides you through a procedure/process to hopefully resolve your problem. > The thing here for my point of view, sir, is this; if you have as much > knowledge acrued in your wonderful brain as you seem to have, I think that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > place" then you must be able to do so in a much more polite style > benefitting your station in life. I've always been glad that Hasselblads have been so outrageously priced. It keeps them out of the hands of idiots. If I recall, the OP bought a Digital Rebel (approximately $1,000+) and didn't know that there was no live preview. Clearly, this equipment is beyond the person's abilities. Granted, I was rough in my suggestion, but I've had it up to here with dorks who think that an SLR should have a live preview. The question comes up in these groups several times a month. > One other observation, if I may. (Well I'm going to whether you like it or > not.) If you closed your studio in truth because of money, declining local [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > our ancestors that we wouldn't otherwise have. I just hope that you are now > as happy with this career as you surely were behind a camera. I knew going into it that I probably wasn't going to get rich. But my work was better than the existing studios, I was doing a fair amount of part-time work and it was time to either do it or not. And behind it all, there was a strong passion for creating images. I can think of numerous times in photographing hundreds of weddings and thousands of portraits where people's lives have been touched. When I closed the studio, I didn't take a roll of pictures in the course of a year. It was only through some unfortunate circumstances that my passion for the art revived and got me back into photography - now doing it digitally. The knowledge engineer thing is what I do to make money. Photography will be a part of me to the end. Randall, You show yourselve here in a way I like much more than the way you akted before. Keep on expressing yourselve this way, and we will actually get along here. You show here that you can have a different opinion then someone else, and conversate on that like a grown up. (No patronising intended, I am not a native speaker) Make those pictures! Have fun! > > Actually, I'm a professional designer. And I have a very good eye for > > photography. I'm planning on adding artistic photography as well as digital [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I was a professional photographer for 16+ years (had a portrait > studio) and now work as a Knowledge Engineer. I have been a professional for 25+ years, your attitude stinks and so does your kiddy toy cameras. > I have been a professional for 25+ years, your attitude stinks and so does > your kiddy toy cameras. I don't own any Sigmas. Randall Ainsworth schreef: > > I have been a professional for 25+ years, your attitude stinks and so does > > your kiddy toy cameras. > > I don't own any Sigmas. We know that from your opinions on them george... >> I just purchased a Canon Rebel XT. It's a pretty awesome camera! However, I >> was sad to learn that I will NOT able to use the LCD screen to view the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Put it in the box and take it back. You're too stupid to have a camera >like that. Take long holidays, change your name and come back with a different altitude. If you can. > Take long holidays, change your name and come back with a different > altitude. If you can. You might want to check newsgroup action more often than once a month. Randall, This is one time that I definitely agree with your answer. I think we have worn this subject out, don't you? I may be new to this group but I think that I can understand when a person needs to let go of a subject. ;) (BTW- I am not usually nitpicky with someone's typing/wording/spelling but does anyone else think that the person who wrote the "Take long holidays..." statement probably meant attitude and not altitude? Or is it just me? I don't really think that a person's "altitude" has anything to do with the price of water pumps in New Orleans right now but "attitude" does. ;) ) >> Take long holidays, change your name and come back with a different >> altitude. If you can. > > You might want to check newsgroup action more often than once a month. > Randall, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> >> You might want to check newsgroup action more often than once a month. ----------- > (BTW- I am not usually nitpicky with someone's typing/wording/spelling but > does anyone else think that the person who wrote the "Take long > holidays..." statement probably meant attitude and not altitude? Or is it > just me? I don't really think that a person's "altitude" has anything to > do with the price of water pumps in New Orleans right now but "attitude" > does. ;) ) >>> Take long holidays, change your name and come back with a different >>> altitude. If you can. lol, not my post but, Think about it.... Randall tends to look down on people... I thinks it is called, whit... > Think about it.... > > Randall tends to look down on people... > > I thinks it is called, whit... I only look down on dorks like you. I think Clint Eastwood said it best: "A man's got to know his own limitations." >> Think about it.... >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I only look down on dorks like you. I think Clint Eastwood said it > best: "A man's got to know his own limitations." Lol.... I know you are but what am I.... Lol.. typical.... As the man said, take some time and come back with a new altitude... lol... Why don't you grow up, DBLEXPOSURE? IF you had really read the post, you would KNOW that Randall did not write the post that I was referring to...John A. did. Perhaps if a person were to really read a post instead of look for something to criticize or complain about this group would not appear to be so childish to outsiders. In this case, DBLE, you are the one I am speaking of instead of Randall. I may be stuck in the middle of the USA but even us backward Midwesterners know that we should really know what we are talking about before we talk about it. Is that how you were raised DBLE or did your growing up years teach you to be a cynic instead of teaching you to pay attention. Or maybe you were just the class clown. If you were great because everybody needs a clown sometimes but what you said in this case about Randall was uncalled for and you owe him an apology due to your inability to pay attention to detail. And by the way, if you are a professional photographer or a hobbyist, don't you need to be able to pay attention in order to be able to get the great shots???????? 'Nuff said. >>> Think about it.... >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > As the man said, take some time and come back with a new altitude... > lol... > Why don't you grow up, DBLEXPOSURE? IF you had really read the post, you > would KNOW that Randall did not write the post that I was referring [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > professional photographer or a hobbyist, don't you need to be able to pay > attention in order to be able to get the great shots???????? Actually, I did make the remark about Clint Eastwood - suggesting that he should know his limitations and stay within them. But I take no offense to what anybody says. Cheryl All do respect, I know Randall did not wright the post, I think you are confused. Yes, John A wrote the post about Randall... I was pointing out that it the substitution of "Altitude" for the word "Attitude" Might have been on purpose and a play on words. Randall took offense to that and fired off another childish insult in my direction. <snip by Randal> >>> I only look down on dorks like you. I think Clint Eastwood said it >>> best: "A man's got to know his own limitations." <snip by me> >> Lol.... I know you are but what am I.... Lol.. typical.... >> >> As the man said, take some time and come back with a new altitude... >> lol... I would be happy to apologize to Randall as soon as he apologizes for jumping all over anybody who asks a question about how to photograph weddings or any other subject. The idea behind this group is to learn and share knowledge. Anybody who answers honest questions in a condescending and disrespectful manner will get a piece of my mind and I will not relent until they either leave or change their ways. If you had been paying attention you would have seen I only attack those who attack first. Namely Randall & UC because the two of them answer almost every question in a disrespectful and condescending manner. I am only cynical towards the cynics...!! I only criticize or complain about those who attack other for asking questions, (Trolls). In Randall's defense he is not nearly as arrogant as UC. So, instead of attacking me for a single post which you have taken out of context, perhaps you might read the entire thread. Or perhaps you think Randall is justified in attacking the OP who asked for opinions on lenses for wedding photography. I happen to think the attack was childish and benefited nobody and has no place in, alt.photography. "Why don't you grow up", "IF you had really read the post", The pot is calling the kettle black... backward Midwesterners, Lol, I'm from South Dakota.... No offense taken... > Why don't you grow up, DBLEXPOSURE? IF you had really read the post, you > would KNOW that Randall did not write the post that I was referring [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> As the man said, take some time and come back with a new altitude... >> lol... "do" respect? "Wright" the post? Are you a foreigner? > Cheryl > [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] >>> As the man said, take some time and come back with a new altitude... >>> lol... eaglesclaw: You are welcome for the help with your night shots!! I am an American. <snip> >> backward Midwesterners, Lol, I'm from South Dakota.... No offense >> taken... Are you perfect? I never claimed that I was.... But at least when you had a question I answered it with respect and tried to be helpful rather than ridiculing you for asking a question. My point in this entire thread, had you read it, Is that I will not put up with disrespectful, condescending replies to honest questions. To do so would be giving in to the trolls like the ones that have taken over alt.graphics.photoshop where half the posts are off topic and/or slamming users who are simply trying to learn. If it makes you feel better to correct my spelling then be my guest.. I mya Mkae a spilleng erorr or two anolg the way but I can frugie out a nhgit tmie exrusope..... > "do" respect? "Wright" the post? Are you a foreigner? > [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] >>>> As the man said, take some time and come back with a new altitude... >>>> lol... > I would be happy to apologize to Randall as soon as he apologizes for > jumping all over anybody who asks a question about how to photograph > weddings or any other subject. The idea behind this group is to learn and > share knowledge. Anybody who answers honest questions in a condescending > and disrespectful manner will get a piece of my mind and I will not relent > until they either leave or change their ways. Through the years, I've seen too many weddings ruined by amateur photographers. At this point, I've had my fill of them. >> I would be happy to apologize to Randall as soon as he apologizes for >> jumping all over anybody who asks a question about how to photograph [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Through the years, I've seen too many weddings ruined by amateur > photographers. At this point, I've had my fill of them. ----------- The idea behind this group is to learn and share knowledge. > The idea behind this group is to learn and > share knowledge. Oh, I thought it was to help people screw up their friends' wedding pictures. > Why don't you grow up, DBLEXPOSURE? IF you had really read the post, you > would KNOW that Randall did not write the post that I was referring [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > 'Nuff said. You are incorrect. Randall's hugely helpful reply to the original post, which started this sub-thread was this: "Put it in the box and take it back. You're too stupid to have a camera like that." If you don't believe that wasn't insulting or rude, then you must have a truly have a strange way of looking at the world. An innocently asked question should be answered properly, not an insult hurled at the asker. There are no truly dumb questions, just lots of (aparrently and some obviously) rude responses. The complete version (including headers) of Randall Ainsworth's helpful original reply is attached below to refresh your memory: Subject: Re: I just got a Canon Rebel XT From: Randall Ainsworth <rag@nospam.techline.com> Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:46:56 -0700 Newsgroups: alt.photography Path: per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au!per-qv1-newsstorage1.iinet.net.au!per-qv1-newsstorage1.iinet.net.au!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!nntp.theplanet.net!inewsm1.nntp.theplanet.net!news-in.ntli.net!newsrout1-win.ntli.net!ntli.net!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-08!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!rag Newsgroups: alt.photography Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <050920052046561524%rag@nospam.techline.com> References: <BF427B7F.5839B%iwritesongs@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Thoth/1.7.2 (Carbon/OS X) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Xref: per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au alt.photography:62912 In article <BF427B7F.5839B%iwritesongs@verizon.net>, song writer <iwritesongs@verizon.net> wrote: >> I just purchased a Canon Rebel XT. It's a pretty awesome camera! However, I >> was sad to learn that I will NOT able to use the LCD screen to view the >> images I am about to shoot. I was almost going to bring it back for that >> reason. However, after reading so many incredible reviews on it, I think >> I'll keep it. >> >> Did I read wrong? Can I use the LCD to view and sample my shots? >> Thanks Put it in the box and take it back. You're too stupid to have a camera like that. In article <433628c8$0$24168$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, dj_nme > You are incorrect. > Randall's hugely helpful reply to the original post, which started this [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > There are no truly dumb questions, just lots of (aparrently and some > obviously) rude responses. Hey, I remember that! And I stand by my original response. Yes, it was pretty hardcore and direct to the point. But here you have a person that just spent $1,000 or so on a piece of equipment that was way beyone their abilities. They didn't have an inkling of how the thing even worked. Best to learn to float before you can swim. > In article > <433628c8$0$24168$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, dj_nme [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > didn't have an inkling of how the thing even worked. Best to learn to > float before you can swim. It only seems (to me) to be a sad (and lame) excuse to be rude to what (on face value) seemed to be an innocent and reasonable question. My suspicion is that the OP was trolling for a tirade of bile backwards and forwards, and they succeded in that (what I suppose might have been his) intent. If I'm not correct (and it is only my suspicion with no obvious evidence*), then there is _no_ reason to be rude and nasty to some-one who's gotten on the DSLR bandwagon and not quite sure of how to drive it. Just because _you_ know doesn't mean that every-one knows. From the rest of your post Randall, it would seem that by "...didn't have an inkling of how the thing even worked", you realy meant to write "...didn't have an inkling of how to work the thing" instead. Unless you expect the user of a DSLR to know all about how digital imaging sensors, the other semiconductors and the mechanical systems that make up a DSLR function before even thinking of picking one up! *no evidence except that a few weeks ago a similar "question about the LCD on the back of a DSLR" came up and lauched a similar thread of replies from the usual suspects (you _know_ who you are), from which the OP seemed to vanish after their original post. In article <4336be54$0$24160$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, dj_nme > It only seems (to me) to be a sad (and lame) excuse to be rude to what > (on face value) seemed to be an innocent and reasonable question. It was a stupid question. Unfortunately, it pops up here on a regular basis. > From the rest of your post Randall, it would seem that by "...didn't > have an inkling of how the thing even worked", you realy meant to write > "...didn't have an inkling of how to work the thing" instead. > Unless you expect the user of a DSLR to know all about how digital > imaging sensors, the other semiconductors and the mechanical systems > that make up a DSLR function before even thinking of picking one up! I don't know how the imaging sensors work...don't care. But I do know that a single lens reflex means there's a mirror that bounces on the image through the viewfinder - and simple thought would lead one to suspect that it might be tough to get a live preview when something is in the way. > In article > <4336be54$0$24160$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, dj_nme [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > suspect that it might be tough to get a live preview when something is > in the way. But it *is* possible... and you are thick. > In article > <433628c8$0$24168$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, dj_nme [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > didn't have an inkling of how the thing even worked. Best to learn to > float before you can swim. The 10D has a, "Float", setting, It is called Automatic. Then he can graduate to the more advanced automatic modes and then full manual. Better to buy equipment that will challenge you than to spend $600 on a instamatic type digicam that will leave you wanting more options as you climb up the learning curve. After all, this is not brain surgery, it is photography and while the finer points may take years of experience the basic mechanics are not all that difficult to grasp. What is difficult to grasp is why one man would judge another, "Too Stupid" without any knowledge of that person with the exception of the asking of an innocent question. >I just purchased a Canon Rebel XT. It's a pretty awesome camera! However, I > was sad to learn that I will NOT able to use the LCD screen to view the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Did I read wrong? Can I use the LCD to view and sample my shots? > Thanks That's what the Viewfinder is for...........to compose your shots and then use the LCD to review them after, taking the photo. One advantage that a DSLR has is you can look thru the viewfinder in less than favorable light conditions and still see your subject. Most LCD , live displays, don't do that as well. (there are a few exceptions) I have had both, and much prefer a viewfinder on a DSLR to using a LCD display to compose my shots. james >I just purchased a Canon Rebel XT. It's a pretty awesome camera! However, >I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Did I read wrong? Can I use the LCD to view and sample my shots? > Thanks No you cannot. But this is not actually a disadvantage, as the image through the viewfinder more accurately portrays the scene you are shooting than an LCD screen ever could (for focussing, assessing depth of field etc.) Also, with an LCD screen there is a small processing delay between the actual event and the screen image, this makes it almost impossible to shoot action with an LCD screen. Don't worry, your XT knocks spots off non-SLR digicams, its a great purchase. Muz. On 9/6/05 5:04 AM, in article 8YcTe.5830$VB1.4790@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net, >> I just purchased a Canon Rebel XT. It's a pretty awesome camera! However, >> I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> Did I read wrong? Can I use the LCD to view and sample my shots? >> Thanks Thanks for the education. I'm definitely keeping the camera! Peace. From: "song writer" <iwritesongs@verizon.net> | Thanks for the education. I'm definitely keeping the camera! | Peace. Good luck and enjoy it ! SignatureDave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm > On 9/6/05 5:04 AM, in article 8YcTe.5830$VB1.4790@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Thanks for the education. I'm definitely keeping the camera! > Peace. Having used a Canon S50 before buying the EOS 10D, I know how you feel btw! I found that the LCD display was actually good for something....'It helps to get the correct exposure and light levels are easier for the beginner to monitor, but using the DSLR, you have to guess a lot more about it. Fine if you're an expert shootist, but for newbies this is one of the most difficult of tasks as 'perfect' exposure is hard to achieve in all light situations. It's amazing how just a degree or two in camera movement (vertically) can change exposure. You might take one pic and the sky looks perfect, then adjust your angle a little, take the next shot, and the sky is just washed out. For me, this was one of the most infuriating tasks when I first started shooting landscapes with the DSLR. It proved though that the S50 digicam had been giving me more 'assistance' than I even knew before! As a previous poster said, it's best to have both kinds of camera in your arsenal. You will eventually move away from the digicam though as your knowledge increases and you will find that you take more pleasure from working out how the shot should be taken rather than relying on the camera for assistance. Even with film cameras, SLRs were always different 'beasts' from point 'n shoots. You'll get used with the XT and love it, I am sure! Geo. >I just purchased a Canon Rebel XT. It's a pretty awesome camera! However, I >was sad to learn that I will NOT able to use the LCD screen to view the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Did I read wrong? Can I use the LCD to view and sample my shots? >Thanks Take it back and exchange it for a Nikon D50. > >I just purchased a Canon Rebel XT. It's a pretty awesome camera! However, I > >was sad to learn that I will NOT able to use the LCD screen to view the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Take it back and exchange it for a Nikon D50. Why would he want to downgrade? |
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