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Beach Bum - 25 Aug 2005 18:12 GMT Just went into a camera store in Clearwater. It's like they just opted not to keep up. There's almost nothing to buy, certainly nothing digital, but worse - no papers, chemicals, printers, nada. A few lenses and enlargers on consignment, some dusty camera cases.
I almost want to buy the place just to prove that it could be up to date and profitable. :/
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Mike Kohary - 26 Aug 2005 00:05 GMT >Just went into a camera store in Clearwater. It's like they just opted not >to keep up. There's almost nothing to buy, certainly nothing digital, but [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I almost want to buy the place just to prove that it could be up to date and >profitable. :/ I just came back from the Evergreen State Fair (in Monroe, Washington). Opening day, lots of fun. :) There was a booth with some very nice framed photography. I took offense to the sign, though: under their name, it said in large letters, "Authentic Photography - Non-Digital". Because as we all know, the only authentic photography is done with glass plates. ;) -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mike Kohary mike at kohary dot com http://www.kohary.com
Karma Photography: http://www.karmaphotography.com Seahawks Historical Database: http://www.kohary.com/seahawks ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
b.ingraham@shaw.ca - 26 Aug 2005 15:33 GMT I have a friend who has owned a custom lab for about 20 years, and for most of those years strenuously resisted the digial revolution. He had two darkrooms (color and b&w) and employed two technicians. The marketplace tripped him up, of course, and he had to "go digital" or go out of business. The transition occurred after I moved, but I talked with him on the phone recently, and he told me 90% of his business was now digital, and that he was now a confirmed believer in digital photography. And he said this: "When I'm standing in front of an enlarger in the dark, waving my hands under the lens, I feel like a fool!"
To Mike Kohary, who believes that authentic photography is done with glass plates, I must add that to be truly authentic it must be done with a pinhole camera.
Finally, I recently purchased a print of a 1930s British freighter from the British Maritime Museum. It is printed on Fujifilm Pictro paper, and I absolutely cannot tell, even with a loupe, that it is a digital print. *Perhaps* if I had an analogue print to compare with it, there would be a difference, but for practical purposes the difference would be insignificant.
Bob (Retired dip&dunk pro)
Mike Kohary - 26 Aug 2005 17:05 GMT >To Mike Kohary, who believes that authentic photography is done with >glass plates, I must add that to be truly authentic it must be done >with a pinhole camera. Right, I forgot to go back far enough! ;) Hopefully everyone realized I said that with tongue planted firmly in cheek. I just found the sign highly amusing, as if digital photography somehow wasn't photography, and film was clearly "authentic". Of course, film is a technology the usurped earlier technologies - the point being that just because there are new technologies that appear from time to time to expedite the process of capturing light exposures, does not make any of those technologies more or less "photography". If you're capturing pictures through any means, the photography is just as "authentic" as any other means.
>Finally, I recently purchased a print of a 1930s British freighter from >the British Maritime Museum. It is printed on Fujifilm Pictro paper, >and I absolutely cannot tell, even with a loupe, that it is a digital >print. *Perhaps* if I had an analogue print to compare with it, there >would be a difference, but for practical purposes the difference would >be insignificant. I agree - all other things being equal, impossible to tell. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mike Kohary mike at kohary dot com http://www.kohary.com
Karma Photography: http://www.karmaphotography.com Seahawks Historical Database: http://www.kohary.com/seahawks ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
b.ingraham@shaw.ca - 26 Aug 2005 19:31 GMT Some photographer wear photographic blinders. I know a "serious" amateur who does or at least once did his own B&W processing. He was a member of a small B&W club I started. One time we had a program on the use of basic B&W filters, and used a 4X5 polaroid back on a Crown Graphic to illustrate the effect of yellow, orange, red, blue and green filters on a still life composed of a yellow rose with green leaves in a blue vase. The results were graphic illustrations of the power of these filters to alter images. In the resulting discussion and show-and-tell session, the photographer I mentioned showed some 11X14s of various landscapes he had taken. All were of fairly low contrast prints, with light gray or nearly white skies and clouds that added little to the photos. When we suggested that he try using some filters, he told us he would never do that because he wanted his images to be "real," not faked ones.
One of the big hurdles for beginning photographers to get over is the belief that photographs record "reality". They do not. To begin with, they cannot ever record more than a few of the millions of tonalities and colors of an actual scene. The cropping of any scene to a the "photographic" rectangle or square automatically deletes most of the "real" environment the photographer is in. Almost any lens of any focal length is going to subtly or hugely change perspective, contrast, and sharpness of a scene, not to mention depth of field, which actually has little counterpart in human vision.
Photographs, in short, are dependent almost entirely dependent on the photographer, who wittingly or unwittingly creates a new "reality" with every exposure.
Bob
Beach Bum - 26 Aug 2005 20:01 GMT <b.ingraham@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> Some photographer wear photographic blinders. I know a "serious" > amateur who does or at least once did his own B&W processing. He was a <snip>
Bob, with your permission I'd like to repost this on my website attributed to you.
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Mike Kohary - 29 Aug 2005 04:54 GMT >Some photographer wear photographic blinders. I know a "serious" >amateur who does or at least once did his own B&W processing. He was a [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >photographer, who wittingly or unwittingly creates a new "reality" with >every exposure. Agreed, and you stated it extremely well. Your B&W club friend's misguidance seems common, and it's too easy to get caught up in the technical aspects of photography and miss the bigger picture (no pun intended).
Again, you stated it very well - all of photography is "fake". I took a cinema class in college that impressed me a great deal, and one of the first things the instructor told us that really grabbed me was that motion picture films never looks like real life (with the possible exception of documentaries). He was, of course, right, but I'd never actually thought about it much until he said it. He went on to give a splendid demonstration using film clips of how color, light, tonality, depth of field and all sorts of other factors are almost totally artificialized in the process of making a film, usually in intentional ways. Even films that are shot "straight" don't look like real life, because film necessarily changes the way a scene looks in real life by its very nature.
Getting caught up in any technical aspect used to create a photograph is foolishness. It's one thing to be curious about what techniques were used to create a particular image, but it's another to then knock it for using certain techniques. Did the ultimate result move you? That's what matters, and worrying about whether or not film or digital is "authentic" is nothing more than a trivial distraction. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mike Kohary mike at kohary dot com http://www.kohary.com
Karma Photography: http://www.karmaphotography.com Seahawks Historical Database: http://www.kohary.com/seahawks ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Flavius - 28 Aug 2005 06:51 GMT > Just went into a camera store in Clearwater. It's like they just opted not > to keep up. There's almost nothing to buy, certainly nothing digital, but > worse - no papers, ,,<< snip I'm betting you are refering to Fulmer Photo on Ft.Harrison. If George didn't own the building & the land they wouldn't be open at all. George is 81 now I think. He and his son Jerry are great poeple, even if they do screw up a roll of film now and then. They process a lot of film for the local medical community, that pays the utilities and property taxes. George is an awesome repository of local history and lore, worth talking to. I often wonder why they bother to keep the store open though, I quess it gives them something to do.
Beach Bum - 29 Aug 2005 13:51 GMT > > Just went into a camera store in Clearwater. It's like they just opted > not [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > wonder why they bother to keep the store open though, I quess it gives them > something to do. Yes. I'd heard about it from my girlfriend. Her family has been using them for years - especially her uncle who works as a professional photographer. I haven't met George yet, but here really good things from everyone who knows him.
Someone suggested this weekend that they might be holding the land until the value makes it worth selling - which might not be long since the new bridge is complete and is diverting traffic from the islands south of downtown Clearwater.
I'll pop in from time to time to see if any decent lenses are on consignment and hopefully get to know Jerry and George. :)
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