Excerpts from a review of the EOS20D from a leading UK magazine:
"Unfortunately, exposures are not quite as accurate or reliable as we
might expect from an EOS camera. The 20D is prone to slight
underexposure, particularly with wideangle lenses."
Autofocus: "the camera occasionally appears to disagree with the user
about what is the subject and we found the best way of working is to
switch off the auto AF sensors and select our own using the new toggle
control."
"...the extra pixels do make a difference to the potential image
quality, but they also mean that users will have to put a bit more
effort into making the potential image quality the final image
quality. Although it is possible to obtain acceptable results simply
by using in-camera controls for sharpness and contrast, it really is
worth taking the time to process your image post-capture in a decent
software program. If you do this, you will find that the 20D is
capable of quite remarkable results."
FOR: very fast start up; high resolution; massive amount of control.
AGAINST: mirror action noisy; B&w filters not effective; no
spotmetering.
Overall Specs 28/30
Build 18/20
Handling 18/20
Performance 27/30
Total: 91%
The 350D got 88% with complaints of image softness "It may be better
than the processor infested 300D but not better than the clarity of
image produced by the 10D".
I can't decide which camera. Comments, please.
Trey - 29 Jul 2005 22:48 GMT
> Excerpts from a review of the EOS20D from a leading UK magazine:
>
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>
> I can't decide which camera. Comments, please.
I am VERY impressed with the 20D a co worker brought in his 20d and I was
playing with it for a while. The camera itself is very solid with the
magnesium housing, it has a really good feel in your hand. As for picture
quality, I can understand what they are talking about. With the nine point
AF points, it doesn't always focus on the same thing you are focusing your
eye on. An interesting feature though. When you have the lens in MF mode,
and you twist the focus ring, the AF points light up as different things
come into focus.
Low light performance is very impressive. I used the 70-300IS lens. I took
the camera into a storage room and left the light off.. just had the ambient
light from the doorway in there so it was pretty dim.. it would still focus
and with the IS lens and the longer shutter it still took clear pictures.
With the high-speed shooting with this camera, I would highly recommend at
least a 2GB compact flash card.
Mike Kohary - 30 Jul 2005 00:22 GMT
> Excerpts from a review of the EOS20D from a leading UK magazine:
I've owned and used a 20D exclusively since January. My comments:
> "Unfortunately, exposures are not quite as accurate or reliable as we
> might expect from an EOS camera. The 20D is prone to slight
> underexposure, particularly with wideangle lenses."
This has not been my experience. Prior to the 20D, I owned a Digital Rebel,
and it did (slightly) underexpose some shots. This is partly by design, as
there's more latitude in digital with underexposure than overexposure
(underexposure is easily fixed, but blown highlights are simply gone). If
the 20D underexposes at all, it's much less than the D-Rebel, and I don't
notice it all all. I find myself correcting images by less than 5% either
way (note that I shoot almost exclusively on manual, and often creatively at
that, so many of my shots are intentionally non-standard exposures).
> Autofocus: "the camera occasionally appears to disagree with the user
> about what is the subject and we found the best way of working is to
> switch off the auto AF sensors and select our own using the new toggle
> control."
I agree with this. I think that's to be expected of any camera that
utilizes multiple focus points. My solution is the same, to choose my own
focus points. It's easy and brings more desireable results.
> "...the extra pixels do make a difference to the potential image
> quality, but they also mean that users will have to put a bit more
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> software program. If you do this, you will find that the 20D is
> capable of quite remarkable results."
All of which is true for any digital camera. The very best results will
always be achieved by post-processing in Photoshop or equivalent.
> FOR: very fast start up; high resolution; massive amount of control.
>
> AGAINST: mirror action noisy; B&w filters not effective; no
> spotmetering.
Agree, though the mirror noise makes no difference to me. I haven't tried
the B&W settings so I can't comment on that (though others that I've viewed
have been impressive, so I don't know what the complaint here is). Though
there is no spot meter, there is a 9% center spot meter, which I find is
generally good enough (and which is what I use almost exclusively).
> Overall Specs 28/30
> Build 18/20
> Handling 18/20
> Performance 27/30
>
> Total: 91%
Sounds like a fair rating. One of the best, if not the best, prosumer
digital SLRs on the market today.
> The 350D got 88% with complaints of image softness "It may be better
> than the processor infested 300D but not better than the clarity of
> image produced by the 10D".
>
> I can't decide which camera. Comments, please.
You mean between the 350D and the 20D? If money isn't an issue, then it's
no contest - the 20D. Believe me, the negatives of the camera are nitpicky
at best. It's a terrific camera with awesome quality direct out of the
camera (and even better with post-processing). Slap a great lens on it and
you won't be disappointed.

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Randall Ainsworth - 30 Jul 2005 00:59 GMT
> Excerpts from a review of the EOS20D from a leading UK magazine:
Stupid Limeys - what do they know?
Trey - 30 Jul 2005 01:20 GMT
>> Excerpts from a review of the EOS20D from a leading UK magazine:
>
> Stupid Limeys - what do they know?
Some times, they don't know much at all. I have been in disagreement with
many magazines before... I have also seen very large groups in disagreement
with magazines.
I remember reading in a magazine that compared the Ford Mustang to the
Pontiac GTO. The GTO beat the Mustang in EVERY test. it was said in the
article that the GTO posted better times for every test, they even had the
numbers side by side... want to know who won? yeah, the Mustang. how does
that work?
Unspam - 30 Jul 2005 10:01 GMT
On 30/7/05 1:20 am, in article IJzGe.5939$vf.860@tornado.socal.rr.com,
>>> Excerpts from a review of the EOS20D from a leading UK magazine:
>>
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> numbers side by side... want to know who won? yeah, the Mustang. how does
> that work?
A magazine article is one person's point of view on a particular day, but
they were right about the Mustang.
muzz285 - 30 Jul 2005 10:17 GMT
>> Excerpts from a review of the EOS20D from a leading UK magazine:
>
> Stupid Limeys - what do they know?
Randall,
UK magazines like to find faults even with top-notch kit in order to give
unbiased reports.
For Peter's reference, I would make these points:-
This is what the August edition of Digital Camera Magazine (a UK mag) says
about the 20D.
"The Canon EOS 20D is a well built, comprehensively featured SLR that
performs almost faultlessly. We have no criticism of any consequence.
Superb."
The 20D is the magazine's top Best Buy in the DSLR category, and that
category includes the astonishing 1DS MkII, which they felt was overpriced.
I own a 20D, and it *is* superb. My observations on the points made by the
magazine Peter read are:-
-The camera does not over or under expose - it averages to 18% within the
selected metering method, like every camera. Any perceived under-exposure is
most likely a misunderstanding of the metering used. I have not noticed
exposure problems other than of my own making.
-The in-camera b&w filters are OK but not jaw-dropping - shoot colour and
post-process in PS if you want digital b&w shots. Personally I shoot film
for b&w.
-The camera autofocusses on the nearest object covered by one of the 9 focus
points, not necessarily on your chosen subject - that is *why* the toggle
selector has been provided to override this. You get used to this v.
quickly. I have no complaints with focussing accuracy.
-The mirror is noisy - but it is also damned fast. Black-out time is not a
problem with this camera, and you get 5 frames p.s. It is not as noisy as my
antique Pentax SP1000 (ker-LUNK).
-There is no true spot meter, but it does have a 9% spot meter, which I have
always found adequate. For critical shots, you are better off bracketing
anyway.
-The amount of in-camera image processing is deliberately minimised - the
images are *meant* to be post-processed in order to get the very best
results.
Muzz.
A "stupid Limey".
William Oertell - 30 Jul 2005 01:44 GMT
I've taken about 1,500 shots with my 20D since I bought it about a month
ago. Here's some of my comments.
> Excerpts from a review of the EOS20D from a leading UK magazine:
>
> "Unfortunately, exposures are not quite as accurate or reliable as we
> might expect from an EOS camera. The 20D is prone to slight
> underexposure, particularly with wideangle lenses."
I totally disagree with this. While some of my pictures have come out
underexposed, it's mostly because I was shooting dark landscape under a
bright overcast sky, and I was able to fix this easily in Photoshop. I
agree with Mike on this. It's better to slightly underexpose than
overexpose. Also, make sure you shoot in RAW, not just JPEG. Maybe that's
what the magazine was doing.
> Autofocus: "the camera occasionally appears to disagree with the user
> about what is the subject and we found the best way of working is to
> switch off the auto AF sensors and select our own using the new toggle
> control."
I turned off the multi-point AF system and only use the center sensor for
focusing. If I want my focus to be off-center, then I focus on my subject,
press the shutter release halfway, recompose the picture, and shoot. It's
fairly easy and renders sharper pictures.
> "...the extra pixels do make a difference to the potential image
> quality, but they also mean that users will have to put a bit more
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> software program. If you do this, you will find that the 20D is
> capable of quite remarkable results."
The majority of my pictures were perfect without having to reprocess them.
Some I had to manipulate to bring out the shadows, correct vignetting, and
fix perspective, etc. (BTW, that ability makes the cost of Photoshop worth
it, considering a shift lens costs about 1,100 bucks).
> FOR: very fast start up; high resolution; massive amount of control.
>
> AGAINST: mirror action noisy; B&w filters not effective; no
> spotmetering.
I've yet to hear an SLR that was "quiet". Yes, the 20D is noisier than
most, but it's also a lot quicker than most. The blackout time is very
short.
> Overall Specs 28/30
> Build 18/20
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>
> I can't decide which camera. Comments, please.
The more solid construction and higher overall quality of the 20D,
compared to the 350D, makes the 20D a winner. It might cost more but you'll
make that up over the longer life of the 20D, whose shutter is rated for
twice the operations of the 350D. Buy lots of media.
Jeroen Wenting - 31 Jul 2005 06:23 GMT
> I've taken about 1,500 shots with my 20D since I bought it about a month
> ago. Here's some of my comments.
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> that's
> what the magazine was doing.
Also remember that many magazines review cameras based on what they think
the average user will experience.
Many labs will compensate for underexposed pictures when printing, thus
making that underexposure less visible.
If a digicam doesn't do so in-camera such reviews will mention that the
camera underexposes shots (when in fact it's possibly operator error which
is now not masked).
>> Autofocus: "the camera occasionally appears to disagree with the user
>> about what is the subject and we found the best way of working is to
>> switch off the auto AF sensors and select our own using the new toggle
>> control."
All AF cameras do that once in a while, I see no reason the 20D shouldn't
(or why it should be specifically mentioned).
>> "...the extra pixels do make a difference to the potential image
>> quality, but they also mean that users will have to put a bit more
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>> software program. If you do this, you will find that the 20D is
>> capable of quite remarkable results."
So a higher resolution chip (compared to what anyway?) is now a liability
instead of a bonus?
>> FOR: very fast start up; high resolution; massive amount of control.
>>
>> AGAINST: mirror action noisy; B&w filters not effective; no
>> spotmetering.
If you turn on all kinds of in camera corrections of course filters become
ineffective.
Just as they become ineffective (or less effective) when you send your
pictures to be printed in a one-hour lab that thinks there's a weird color
cast and decides to remove it.
I'm not a Canon fan by any means (as becomes very clear looking in my
camerabags), but this review seems written by someone who has some serious
lack of knowledge about the process after you press the shutter.