Hi,
Just wanted some comments on a photo I took in Porto, Portugal, which
came out perfectly with the colours, lighting etc. It's using a 300D.
I was just over the moon when I looked at it enlarged on the PC. Can
you comment?
I'm a beginner, and not sure what I could have done to improve. Maybe
stood further back to get a more 'face-on' type feel? But I wanted the
blue sky to be part of the shot, and still be able to see details.
Craig - 27 Apr 2005 11:01 GMT
And now for the link (Monkey!)
http://www.thelisters.co.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2
Unspam - 27 Apr 2005 19:10 GMT
> And now for the link (Monkey!)
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> http://www.thelisters.co.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2
Nice shot but you have a tendency to underexpose.
AB - 27 Apr 2005 12:07 GMT
Ok....
Nice shot with good colours and contrasts. Good details too. Now for the
'buts'....
Try to keep verticals vertical and horiszontals horizontal (unless you're
doing it for effect - in which case it needs to be exagerated in my opinion)
Try to keep any distracting objec ts away from the sides and corners of the
image. In this one you have the roof of a vehicle in the lower left corner.
Removing it would help considerably as it would emphasise the wall more.
Other than that a very pleasant shot!
Try signing up to a 'photographers website' where you can post images and
get feedback. www.usefilm.com for example. Be very clear if you do that you
are equally loooking for negative comments as well as positive though. Look
at others images to see what other people are saying too, and analyse what
you like about great shots you see, and why others rate shots highly.
But most importantly, enjoy yourself!
A.
> Hi,
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> stood further back to get a more 'face-on' type feel? But I wanted the
> blue sky to be part of the shot, and still be able to see details.
Rob Novak - 27 Apr 2005 13:39 GMT
>I'm a beginner, and not sure what I could have done to improve. Maybe
>stood further back to get a more 'face-on' type feel? But I wanted the
>blue sky to be part of the shot, and still be able to see details.
The colors and composition are good. Likewise, the lighting is nice -
very expressive of a certain atmosphere. A very pleasant photo.
There's a good balance between the elements of the subject. It's got
a good leading line that takes your eye into the frame. Lots of
texture and mood. Very nice.
The only suggestions I have are technical. First, pay attention to
your horizon line, and try to make it truly horizontal. Exaggerating
the tilt of the frame can be used to good effect (if not overused),
but being a few degrees off horizontal just looks a bit sloppy. The
only other thing I would pick on you for would be the extra stuff in
the edges of the frame. Consider cropping tighter (or zooming
in-camera) to eliminate things like the corner of the vehicle in the
lower left corner and the shape (streetlight?) about a third of the
way down the right side. Always look around the edges of the
viewfinder, though if your finder doesn't provide full coverage, you
may need to crop later.

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Mike Kohary - 27 Apr 2005 23:01 GMT
> Hi,
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> http://www.thelisters.co.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2
It's a very nice photo in terms of lighting and color. I disagree with the
other poster who said it looked underexposed - it looked fine to me.
(Sometimes I wonder what exactly is "underexposed" and "overexposed". Many
people define this pretty strictly according to the histogram, but
histograms aren't smart and certainly aren't artistic. Very often these
terms are subjective, and I myself under and overexpose many shots
intentionally - to my eye, they are perfectly exposed that way. This seems
to be one of those kinds of shots.) The blue sky is lovely and it looks
like you waited for a low sun to hit the building facades, providing a very
pleasing "warm" light. The detail is extraordinary.
I have a couple of issues with the composition. I like your angle, I think
that looks much better than it probably would have face-on. But there are
distracting elements around the edge of the frame, especially along the
bottom (red rails) and the bottom left corner (top of car). (There is also
a lamp post on the right edge - all of this could probably be Photoshopped
out.) As I view the shot, I want to see it from a higher angle, so that the
camera is more even with the top of the wall, and the tops of the buildings
don't disappear until they're much farther to the left (right now, the roofs
disappear about halfway through). I don't know if it's possible to get more
elevated at that location, but if so, I'd go back and reshoot it some more,
trying some different vertical angles.
Your other photos are nice also. Nice work - keep it up!

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Larry CdeBaca - 28 Apr 2005 04:13 GMT
Craig, I have a few issues with your photos --
1. You took them, I didn't get to go to Portugal. Yes, I'm jealous.
2. metering -- they are dark and "underexposed" for two reasons --
digital SLR camera makers intentionally underexpose to prevent highlights
from being "blown out" so bright as to lose detail.
"Down the Lane to the River" is a good example -- the photo was taken in the
dark lane, and the scene seems to have metered for the water. Metering on
the lane would have meant that the far area would disappear in a pool of
light. Possible solutions: (1) Crop (a) in camera, preferred (b)
post-production (2) Zoom (3) Flash (not likely) (4) Get Closer. And you
actually might have wanted to show us a representative view, what you saw
when you were standing right there.
I know you were just showing us how great a time you had and didn't expect
harsh criticism, but I offer my constructive criticism because it's the only
way we improve.
>> Hi,
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> Your other photos are nice also. Nice work - keep it up!
Craig Lister - 28 Apr 2005 11:53 GMT
Thanks for the comments!
I am off back to Portugal in December, so will try and improve the shot
with all comments so far. The photo was taken in Porto, Portugal, on the
North bank of the Douro River in the old part of the city. Yes, I did wait
for the sunset, because it seems colours come out alot more at that time.
And that damn car at the bottom left ... I never even saw it!
Craig Lister - 28 Apr 2005 11:57 GMT
A point I have noticed too, is maybe I was standing too close, and zoomed
back a bit far, and hence, got that curving effect of some of the walls..
Rookie mistake, I guess...
Will look at the suggested websites and maybe get some more comments. The
other photos are really just family type things, but I do try and take
them properly.
The photo: http://www.thelisters.co.uk/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=2
That's impossible to take well, I think, because I wanted to get the long
lane going down to the river, as well as the river in the shot. But it
seems if I meter on the river, the lane is too dark, and if I meter on the
lane, the water area is too bright..
Is there a way to do this?
Mark Lauter - 28 Apr 2005 13:07 GMT
> The photo: http://www.thelisters.co.uk/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=2
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> Is there a way to do this?
Might be easier when the sun is going down or just past the horizon, or on a
hazy/overcast day. Anything that would compress the tonal range naturally
would help.
Other options - take an exposure in the middle of the competing tones and
use photoshop to dodge the shadows and burn the highlights.
Remember, the image that comes from your camera is just like a negative in
the respect that it holds only the potential for the final photograph - it
is NOT the finished product.

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paul - 28 Apr 2005 15:36 GMT
> The photo: http://www.thelisters.co.uk/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=2
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> Is there a way to do this?
One way is to wait for rain to make the street reflective:
<http://www.edgehill.net/1/?SC=go.php&DIR=California/Bay-Area/San-Francisco/gritt
y/2005-01-05-valencia>
Not a great shot (camera shake and over-photoshopped) but I struggled
with this alley quite a few times. The rain plus getting the composition
off-center helped.
Here's another one where I just went ahead and blew out the sky & lost
everything in the shadows:
<http://www.edgehill.net/1/?SC=go.php&DIR=Overseas/2002-06-08-vacation-taiwan-haw
aii/taiwan-luo-dong&PG=3&PIC=15>
Again the composition is interesting enough to save a 'bad exposure'.
I think the exposure on your shot is pretty good given the conditions, a
heck of a lot better than the second one I posted but the composition is
still pretty static. Maybe get off-center more & find something in the
alley to catch light like a parked bicycle or people in the
foreground/mid-ground or a reflecting window.
Craig Lister - 28 Apr 2005 15:37 GMT
Sounds like a good plan..
Just need to find this sort of 'Alley' in Scotland now.. :)
Thanks!