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Trying to improve 35mm slide scans w/1200 dpi scanner

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Doc - 14 Jan 2005 21:57 GMT
I've been experimenting with scanning slides using an Epson Stylus CX5200
rated at 1200 dpi. Running Win98SE, PIII 550, 384 megs ram.

I've been using one of these multi-tube fluorescent bulbs and experimenting
with various diffuser materials and the light at different distances from
the diffuser. I tried a homemade 90-degree slide-scanning gadget that uses
the reflected light of the scanner bar and a couple of battery powered
fluorescent lights but seem to get the best results with the multi-bulb
extended horizontally over the slide. Gives well lit scans with minimal need
for enhancing the contrast/brightness.  I have the slides sitting on a sheet
of black construction paper with a slot cut that's the same size as the
photo portion of the slide, with the diffuser over that.

I've been able to get scans that I would describe as okay after scanning
with the Epson scan software and tweaking with Paintshop Pro ver 7, the
color is actually pretty decent but they fall way short of the super
sharpness of the slides.

Here's an example of scans make with a Plustek OpticPro 9636T which is also
a 1200 dpi scanner, on someone's website that look far better than mine.

http://www.krausehouse.com/plustek.htm

Is it that the scanner is just better or perhaps there's something I could
be doing differently? Am I swimming upstream using a 1200 dpi scanner to
begin with?

Any input will be appreciated.
Stan - 14 Jan 2005 22:54 GMT
> I've been experimenting with scanning slides using an Epson Stylus CX5200
> rated at 1200 dpi. Running Win98SE, PIII 550, 384 megs ram.
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> Any input will be appreciated.

If you are going to scan slides, you should be using a film scanner, not
a flatbed scanner, and you should have an optical resolution of at least
2000 dpi to start (unless you will be satisfied with small scans for use
on the web).  Actually, I would aim for something around 4000 dpi
optical resolution, if possible.

If you have 35mm negatives, the same applies.  When I have negatives, I
prefer to scan the negative over scanning a print.

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.. - 04 Feb 2005 01:23 GMT
Hi,

You mean that's scanner for negatives? As it will scan the negatives into
color jpg? If this is possible, where can I find such scanners? Cos it will
be much cheaper for me than shooting on slide.

thanks
yewyee

>> I've been experimenting with scanning slides using an Epson Stylus CX5200
>> rated at 1200 dpi. Running Win98SE, PIII 550, 384 megs ram.
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
> If you have 35mm negatives, the same applies.  When I have negatives, I
> prefer to scan the negative over scanning a print.
me - 04 Feb 2005 01:39 GMT
> >> I've been experimenting with scanning slides using an Epson Stylus CX5200
> >> rated at 1200 dpi. Running Win98SE, PIII 550, 384 megs ram.
[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
> thanks
> yewyee

Most film scanners and even many flatbed scanners have software that allows
you to scan negatives. If you have a scanner then check the options in the
twain driver setup screen (not auto scan).
Film best,
me
chrlz@go.com - 04 Feb 2005 10:04 GMT
`me` said, and I quote directly -

"Most film scanners.. have software that allows you to scan negatives."

Note the word MOST.  Well, I never.  I thought ALL film scanners
allowed negative scanning, but `me` would certainly know, so I must be
wrong.  `me`, could you please name a film scanner that won't scan
negatives?  And then I will admit my error.  Otherwise......

Just keeping you on the straight and narrow,
'coz you wouldn't want to post a mistake,
Chrlz.
Unspam - 04 Feb 2005 14:37 GMT
> `me` said, and I quote directly -
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> 'coz you wouldn't want to post a mistake,
> Chrlz.

Hey dude, I'm bored with your feud,
So it would be cool to stop actin' the fool,
Next time I read back, just give me your feedback,
On the important questions that are asked in all seriousness.

P.S. I am crap at rap, but I ain't no pap (arazzi)
Owamanga - 04 Feb 2005 14:41 GMT
>> `me` said, and I quote directly -
>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
>P.S. I am crap at rap, but I ain't no pap (arazzi)

..terrible.

Did I see you on American Idle last week?

--
Owamanga!
me - 04 Feb 2005 18:22 GMT
> > `me` said, and I quote directly -
> >
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> P.S. I am crap at rap, but I ain't no pap (arazzi)

Hi Unspam:
The question is *who* will stop first? chrlz has sworn to continue and I see
no reason why I should remain silent especially since I
didn't start the feud. If chrlz will agree to cease and desist permanently I
will consider a truce. Remember, it takes at least two for a feud.
Sign,
me
Unspam - 04 Feb 2005 18:56 GMT
>>> `me` said, and I quote directly -
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> Sign,
> me

Hip hip hooray, that sounds ok. I wonder if I can post permanently in rhyme,
let's give it time, I'll try and be sublime.
No One - 05 Feb 2005 01:49 GMT
>> > `me` said, and I quote directly -
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>Sign,
>me

Why don't you all just try and grow up, it is becoming tedious and a
total waste of every ones time.
me - 05 Feb 2005 04:40 GMT
> >> > `me` said, and I quote directly -
> >> >
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> Why don't you all just try and grow up, it is becoming tedious and a
> total waste of every ones time.

Dear No One:
I agree with you. I offered a truce to chrlz and I again offer it now. I can
do nothing more, the ball is in his court.
Sign,
me
chrlz@go.com - 05 Feb 2005 02:02 GMT
I posted just once, and asked a perfectly civil question -

Which film scanners don't do negatives?

I'm genuinely interested.

..waiting...
me - 04 Feb 2005 17:05 GMT
> `me` said, and I quote directly -
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> 'coz you wouldn't want to post a mistake,
> Chrlz.

[chomp]

My dear pet chrlz:
Can a dog spell pedantic? You can't be serious. I give you food, shelter,
clean newspaper and this is how you repay me? What kind of a life could you
possibly have without the solace and succor I prove you?
Your Loving Master
me
chrlz@go.com - 05 Feb 2005 02:05 GMT
Please don't waste bandwidth with new posts.

It looks like you are attention seeking.
me - 05 Feb 2005 04:45 GMT
> Please don't waste bandwidth with new posts.

Did you say please? Does that mean you're considering my offer? Look I even
removed my comment from the title of this post. What do you say to my truce?

> It looks like you are attention seeking.

The OP cross posted and I replied to a recent poster.
Sign,
me
Mike Kohary - 05 Feb 2005 00:15 GMT
> `me` said, and I quote directly -
>
> "Most film scanners.. have software that allows you to scan
> negatives."

Chrlz, quit feeding the trolls.  PLEASE.  :)

I have this dork killfiltered, but that hardly matters if folks like you
keep replying to him.

> Note the word MOST.  Well, I never.  I thought ALL film scanners
> allowed negative scanning, but `me` would certainly know, so I must be
> wrong.  `me`, could you please name a film scanner that won't scan
> negatives?  And then I will admit my error.  Otherwise......

He's actually right, you know.  I mean, all scanners will literally scan a
negative (they'll scan any damned thing you put on the glass), but many of
them weren't designed to scan negatives and won't do it very well if you
force the issue, especially the ones without a backlight to shine through
the negative.

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Unspam - 05 Feb 2005 00:44 GMT
>> `me` said, and I quote directly -
>>
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> force the issue, especially the ones without a backlight to shine through
> the negative.

Ha! ha! (in the style of Nelson from the Simpsoms)
me - 05 Feb 2005 00:52 GMT
> > `me` said, and I quote directly -
> >
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Mike Kohary

My name is *me* and I officially endorse Mike's message.
Film best,
me

PS: Dear Mike, chrlz is my loyal and faithful pet, please let me feed him
otherwise he may become confused and go off his feed.
chrlz@go.com - 06 Feb 2005 00:18 GMT
Sigh.  Well, gee thanks Mike.  You'll note I said FILM scanners in my
post.  You were describing flatbeds, yes?

But you effectively defended `me`'s statement that not all film
scanners do negatives.  That will help keep him around.  Well done.  If
you've killfiled him, don't you think it might be a little risky
entering conversations that you only half-see?
me - 06 Feb 2005 14:26 GMT
> Sigh.  Well, gee thanks Mike.  You'll note I said FILM scanners in my
> post.  You were describing flatbeds, yes?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> you've killfiled him, don't you think it might be a little risky
> entering conversations that you only half-see?

Your obsession with me is worsening, please seek help, while there's still
time.
Sign,
me
Mike Kohary - 06 Feb 2005 17:10 GMT
> Sigh.  Well, gee thanks Mike.  You'll note I said FILM scanners in my
> post.  You were describing flatbeds, yes?

Ah yes, sorry, I missed that.

> But you effectively defended `me`'s statement that not all film
> scanners do negatives.  That will help keep him around.  Well done.
> If you've killfiled him, don't you think it might be a little risky
> entering conversations that you only half-see?

You're right, I shouldn't have responded to the point at all, which
distracted from my main purpose in responding in the first place, which was
to ask you not to feed the troll.  I shan't do it again.  Having said that,
I wish you'd stop responding to him altogether.  I may not see his posts,
but I see your replies, so killfiling him does little to stop cluttering the
group.  If people would just stop responding to him altogether, then he'd
get bored and go away.  He long ago mauled his chance to be a constructive
part of the group, and he shouldn't be rewarded for abusing his right to
free speech.

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me - 06 Feb 2005 17:42 GMT
> > Sigh.  Well, gee thanks Mike.  You'll note I said FILM scanners in my
> > post.  You were describing flatbeds, yes?
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> part of the group, and he shouldn't be rewarded for abusing his right to
> free speech.

FREE SPEECH? YOU F#CKING HYPOCRITE! You above all people as a full fledged
member of the alt.photography NG gang have no room whatsoever to preach
about free speech. No one has done more to ridicule and attack others than
you and the other gang members of this NG.
Film best,
me

PS: You may look forward to reading responses to my posts for sometime to
come. Enjoy!
chrlz@go.com - 06 Feb 2005 23:28 GMT
The problem with that approach is that newcomers to the group do not
know his `problem`, they see his posts, and may end up with a
photography knowledge like his - ie, completely flawed and limited to
his tiny experience.  I think it IS worthwhile to point out his errors,
in detail.  Maybe I go overboard sometimes, but I find it hard to
understand how someone can just blandly post an error (eg errors like
- `not all film scanners scan negatives`
- `moving a camera lens away from the body of a camera isn't like an
extension tube`
- `all lenses have independently moving front elements`
- `Agfa Ultra 100 is a great all-purpose film`
..(I could go on and on)

..and then, instead of simply admitting error or listening to
alternative advice or saying `Sorry, I may have misled you`, he turns
it into a torrent of abuse, and tries to twist out of the errors and
misinformation in a manner somewhat like Houdini, but nowhere near as
entertaining.

Obssessed?  Yes, but with the truth about photography, and helping
beginners.

Over to `me` now - have the last word by all means.  Note the folowing
post as a good example (Mike, fyi - you were called a `F#CKING
HYPOCRITE` by `me`, along with further accusations of the gang
mentality, naturally)
me - 07 Feb 2005 00:21 GMT
> The problem with that approach is that newcomers to the group do not
> know his `problem`, they see his posts, and may end up with a
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> HYPOCRITE` by `me`, along with further accusations of the gang
> mentality, naturally)

You have Obsessive Compulsive Disorder chrlz, with medication and counseling
your condition can be treated.
Film best,
me
Owamanga - 07 Feb 2005 12:36 GMT
>The problem with that approach is that newcomers to the group do not
>know his `problem`, they see his posts, and may end up with a
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>Obssessed?  Yes, but with the truth about photography, and helping
>beginners.

I think this is a sound method, ignore 'me's stupid posts about truces
and dogs etc and only respond to those posts directly related to
photography.

His photography related posts are usually wrong and shouldn't stand
unchallenged.

>Over to `me` now - have the last word by all means.  Note the folowing
>post as a good example (Mike, fyi - you were called a `F#CKING
>HYPOCRITE` by `me`, along with further accusations of the gang
>mentality, naturally)

Yes, the gang stuff should probably be ignored too.

--
Owamanga!
grol - 07 Feb 2005 20:47 GMT
> His photography related posts are usually wrong and shouldn't stand
> unchallenged.

muhahahaha!!! Sorry couldn't resist. :-)
me - 07 Feb 2005 21:26 GMT
> > His photography related posts are usually wrong and shouldn't stand
> > unchallenged.
>
> muhahahaha!!! Sorry couldn't resist. :-)

Before you became obsessed with me didn't you use to take photos?
Sign,
me
Mike Kohary - 08 Feb 2005 05:59 GMT
> Obssessed?  Yes, but with the truth about photography, and helping
> beginners.

I understand what you're saying.  I guess it's a damned if you do, damned if
you don't kind of thing.  If you stop responding, maybe he goes away after a
while, but in the meantime he misleads newcomers and perhaps other people
respond to him, nullifying your own effort.  But if you keep responding,
he's guaranteed to keep coming back (and of course, you'll never win the
"arguments").

> Over to `me` now - have the last word by all means.  Note the folowing
> post as a good example (Mike, fyi - you were called a `F#CKING
> HYPOCRITE` by `me`, along with further accusations of the gang
> mentality, naturally)

I don't care.  He's full of nonsense, which concerns me not at all.

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Peter D - 08 Feb 2005 12:16 GMT
If the input of a recent lurker is worth anything, keep responding to the
motivation to assist others. I appreciate it.

> > Obssessed?  Yes, but with the truth about photography, and helping
> > beginners.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> I don't care.  He's full of nonsense, which concerns me not at all.
me - 08 Feb 2005 15:47 GMT
> > > Obssessed?  Yes, but with the truth about photography, and helping
> > > beginners.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> If the input of a recent lurker is worth anything, keep responding to the
> motivation to assist others. I appreciate it.

I intended no conflict with you Peter but you are incorrect about his
motivations which in reality are mutual masturbation and familial ego
stroking.
Film best,
me

PS: The alt.photography gang hate it when I say film best. They first
attacked me on 10/29/04 in "Camera for my Wife": http://tinyurl.com/5brkq
me - 08 Feb 2005 15:53 GMT
> > Obssessed?  Yes, but with the truth about photography, and helping
> > beginners.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> I don't care.  He's full of nonsense, which concerns me not at all.

Prevaricator, your post invalidates everything you say.
Film best,
me

PS: The alt.photography gang hate it when I say film best. They first
attacked me on 10/29/04 in "Camera for my Wife": http://tinyurl.com/5brkq
John T. Jensen - 12 Feb 2005 03:11 GMT
Chrlz!

To the best of my knowlege the best scans are produced by very expensive
       drum scanners. If your shots are valuable you might look into an
outside service. Another problem is that every technician that operates
the scanning equipment may not be the best. Trial and error should
satisfy you (i hope)

john

> The problem with that approach is that newcomers to the group do not
> know his `problem`, they see his posts, and may end up with a
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> HYPOCRITE` by `me`, along with further accusations of the gang
> mentality, naturally)
Peter D - 07 Feb 2005 00:40 GMT
Dunno what the beef is between you and "me". Don't care.

If your space/life would be better/warmer/happier without any reminder of
his existence, don't killfile only his messages. Also killfile any messages
that contain references to him. It avoids the need for anyone to Net-Nanny
and leaves the choice of your reading to you.
HTH

PS If you need assistance with your filters, you need only ask.

> > Sigh.  Well, gee thanks Mike.  You'll note I said FILM scanners in my
> > post.  You were describing flatbeds, yes?
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> part of the group, and he shouldn't be rewarded for abusing his right to
> free speech.
Mike Kohary - 07 Feb 2005 04:50 GMT
>Dunno what the beef is between you and "me". Don't care.
>
>If your space/life would be better/warmer/happier without any reminder of
>his existence, don't killfile only his messages. Also killfile any messages
>that contain references to him.

Don't you think I thought of that?  Alas, it's going to be pretty
difficult to effectively killfile messages that contain references to
"me" in the body, don't you think?  If you have a brilliant idea of
how to do it, I'd love to hear it.

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grol - 07 Feb 2005 05:04 GMT
> >Dunno what the beef is between you and "me". Don't care.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> "me" in the body, don't you think?  If you have a brilliant idea of
> how to do it, I'd love to hear it.

Filter anything with "anonymous@_.com" in the main body of text. Most
newsreaders print the original users email address when replying to a post. This
should filter any immediate replies to "me"s trolls.

The 'me'tard has nothing to offer this group, but will probably hang around like
a bad smell anyways. He is now killfiled on both my machines, and I guess I will
filter as mentioned above as well because people ( including myself - oops )
keep replying to his posts.

grol
me - 07 Feb 2005 14:58 GMT
> > >Dunno what the beef is between you and "me". Don't care.
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> grol

I'm always amazed at people who self-righteously ride up on their white
horse and impale their foe with the label "troll". I have come to see that
the use of this word is nothing more than another way to defame the comment
or the commentator. Even if the label troll had retained it's original
meaning what does it say about the culpability of it's user? Are they not
equally guilty of trolling? How does impaling their foe with this label
elevate them above their enemy? To my enemies I say: You may, with my
blessing, continue to troll along behind me impaling me whenever you please.
Sign,
me
BillB - 07 Feb 2005 08:32 GMT
> Don't you think I thought of that?  Alas, it's going to be pretty
> difficult to effectively killfile messages that contain references to
> "me" in the body, don't you think?  If you have a brilliant idea of
> how to do it, I'd love to hear it.

 You couldn't killfile messages containing references based on the
message headers, but once all of the messages were retrieved, you
could use Agent's Global Search (most important options are "Find
All" and "Visible Messages Only") to search the message bodies for
the desired text.  When the search finishes, click the View All
button, making it easy to select all the headers (type <Control>A)
and then delete them.  It goes way beyond simple searches, using
Forte's slightly idiosyncratic form of regular expressions familiar
to many users of unix tools, such as grep, etc.  It may not be worth
the effort though.  More information can be found in Agent's Help
(Index or Find) if you type in "regular".  
Peter D - 07 Feb 2005 16:08 GMT
> >Dunno what the beef is between you and "me". Don't care.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> "me" in the body, don't you think?  If you have a brilliant idea of
> how to do it, I'd love to hear it.

Sure. you could start by extending your current filter into the body text of
any message. that would catch all/most of the messages that are replies to
him. " "me" <anonymous@_.com> wrote in message", etc.
me - 07 Feb 2005 18:07 GMT
> > >Dunno what the beef is between you and "me". Don't care.
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> any message. that would catch all/most of the messages that are replies to
> him. " "me" <anonymous@_.com> wrote in message", etc.

Peter, you misunderstand, this has been explained to Mike and the other
alt.photography NG gang members long ago. They *want* to see my posts so
they can claim justification for applying their vacuous label to me.
Film best.
me
Mike Kohary - 08 Feb 2005 05:57 GMT
>>> Dunno what the beef is between you and "me". Don't care.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> text of any message. that would catch all/most of the messages that
> are replies to him. " "me" <anonymous@_.com> wrote in message", etc.

Ok, thanks, that will work, and I wasn't smart enough to think of that
myself.  ;)  Thanks also grol and BillB, who suggested the same.

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me - 07 Feb 2005 14:54 GMT
> > > Sigh.  Well, gee thanks Mike.  You'll note I said FILM scanners in my
> > > post.  You were describing flatbeds, yes?
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> and leaves the choice of your reading to you.
> HTH

The truth is Peter they have OCD.

> PS If you need assistance with your filters, you need only ask.

Take pity on them Peter, they need all the help they can get.
Sign,
me
MPA - 05 Feb 2005 02:31 GMT
>>>>I've been experimenting with scanning slides using an Epson Stylus
>
[quoted text clipped - 71 lines]
> Film best,
> me

i will start testing plustek optic pro st-64, its 5x7(13x18cm). i will
use it  with a special wet-scan kit called holder(from julio).
i will compare it with epson perfection 4990. i will buy the pro-version
with silverfast ai6. there is no better scanner/software-combination
around for small and large negatives for so little money. epson f-3200
filmscanner is another option. or any other higher priced 24x36 or
larger filmscanner.
forget all the combinations you mentioned. you will only loose your
spare time. on the minolta-scanners there is a special holder.
grol - 04 Feb 2005 01:49 GMT
> Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> thanks
> yewyee

Nikon, Canon, Minolta all sell film scanners that scan both 35mm slides and
negatives.
grol
Tom Ellliott - 29 Mar 2005 21:37 GMT
The heck with mirrors, photofloods, try this;
http://www.tom-elliott-photography.com/hp-scanner.html
> Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
> > If you have 35mm negatives, the same applies.  When I have negatives, I
> > prefer to scan the negative over scanning a print.
Elwood Dowd - 14 Jan 2005 23:25 GMT
scanning slides on a 1200dpi scanner is a guaranteed exercise in
frustration, made more so by the end result---an incredibly small image.
 A 35mm slide is about 1 x 1.5 inches.  Thus, 1200 pixel per inch scan
is only going to give you a 1200 x 1800 pixel image.  Even printing at
only 240dpi, the bare minimum for a photorealistic print, the final
result is 5 x  7.5 inches without any cropping.

Also, the Stylus CX5200 is realy meant for documents to copy or fax,
rather than photographs.  At its highest setting it is going to be very
electically noisy---all scanners are at their highest setting.  This is
not normally a problem for documents, which can be easily postprocessed
and are probably scanned by default at 300dpi (for copy) or 200dpi (for
fax) anyway.

I think you have answered your own question---you are swimming upstream.

On the other hand, it is fun to experiment, and if you can get something
decent out of that setup you will be very well-educated by the time you
buy something truly useful.  I think far too many people buy expensive
scanners, get crappy results, and blame it on the scanner because they
did not do the due diligence of figuring out how the things work.

As for upgrading, if you want to stay with flatbeds I would recommend a
refurb Epson 3170 from Epson at a great price---$124*.  Of if you can
find a 2450 in good condition it will probably be under $100.  Last year
I bought a film scanner (Acer Scanwit) on eBay for $99 that is
truckloads better than any flatbed.  The point is, upgrading doesn't
have to be outrageously expensive.

Good luck, and keep experimenting!

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> Is it that the scanner is just better or perhaps there's something I could
> be doing differently? Am I swimming upstream using a 1200 dpi scanner to
> begin with?
MPA - 15 Jan 2005 01:07 GMT
> I've been experimenting with scanning slides using an Epson Stylus CX5200
> rated at 1200 dpi. Running Win98SE, PIII 550, 384 megs ram.
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>
> Any input will be appreciated.

forget this type of 1200 dpi-scanner completely for 35mm and buy a used
2700 dpi-one instead. maybe epson perfection 4990 will do even better
tha 2700 dpi ones. we will see when it will be available.
Frank - 15 Jan 2005 01:08 GMT
> I've been experimenting with scanning slides using an Epson Stylus CX5200
> rated at 1200 dpi. Running Win98SE, PIII 550, 384 megs ram.
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>
> Any input will be appreciated.

Months ago I scanned over 800 35mm slides taken from the 1950's to early
70's using an Espon 4870 photo scanner, optical res 4800. I scanned them
at 1200. Amazingly good results! I then transfered them to a DVD slide
show with music using Ulead software and distributed them around the
globe (made them region free) to relatives to view on their TV's. Took
me about 2 weeks (working at night) to complete.
What a project!
Frank
MPA - 20 Jan 2005 03:28 GMT
>> I've been experimenting with scanning slides using an Epson Stylus CX5200
>> rated at 1200 dpi. Running Win98SE, PIII 550, 384 megs ram.
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> What a project!
> Frank
you could have saved a lot of time be using a batch-scanner with feeder.
and getting better results using a 35mm scanner.
Steve - 16 Jan 2005 21:37 GMT
I didn't get too bad results with my Epson 1240U flatbed which has a
separate light hood for slides and negs. Its supposed to have resolution
1200 x 2400 but in practise a setting of 1200 is the same as setting 2400
but the latter file is much bigger.

Got a secondhand Canon FS4000US film scanner with 4000 dpi which got good
reviews. Problem is most film looks grainy when scanned on this which tends
to spoil the fine detail blow-ups. Neatimage does a good job and only a very
little detail is lost. I am currently experimenting with a light source
diffuser (Scanhancer). Initial results show a very slight reduction in grain
but nowhere near significant however I have much more to do with testing.
The worst film is my old 126 Kodak 'Instamatic' cartridges which is very
grainy
Stan - 16 Jan 2005 23:42 GMT
> I didn't get too bad results with my Epson 1240U flatbed which has a
> separate light hood for slides and negs. Its supposed to have resolution
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> The worst film is my old 126 Kodak 'Instamatic' cartridges which is very
> grainy

Before you blame too much on grain, remember that digital scanners (like
cameras) generate digital noise.  Sometimes, they both look similar.  I
have had that problem.  I also use Neat Image, and it improves my scans
quite a bit.

Remember, also, that 4000 dpi film scanners that cost $2000 are still
low end devices compared with professional drum scanners (which give
better results, and are priced out of reach).

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Marvin - 04 Feb 2005 15:24 GMT
> I've been experimenting with scanning slides using an Epson Stylus CX5200
> rated at 1200 dpi. Running Win98SE, PIII 550, 384 megs ram.
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>
> Any input will be appreciated.

As several others have said, you won't get great results at 1200 dpi, but you can still make small prints from the scans and
use the images on a Web site and for slide shows ot view on a computer or CD.

I experimented by placing a negative on a scanner, with a mirror on top of it.  The results weren't entirely bad.  I was
trying to scan some old negatives, and the resolution on the scans was good enough to show the dirt that accumulated on the
negatives over the years when they were stored in less than optimal conditions.  The next step will be to clean the
nagatives, but I haven't gotten around to it.  The cleaning is needed even if I eventually get a film/slide scanner for my
large collection of slides.
 
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