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R J - 30 Oct 2004 11:05 GMT
Hi

I'm wanting to buy a new digital camera (CANON EOS 300D) sounds simple but I
want to be able to take action shots of my son running and playing as well
as landscapes etc.. Therefore does anyone know how I find out what lag-time
the EOS 300D has so I capture these action shots? How does the lag-time
campare to a film SLR camera?

I'm quite new to photography so I would welcome any opinion on the EOS 300D
camera for a nearly new user. My present camera is a digital point and shoot
which is very slow.

I think the camera comes with software, could anyone tell mee what's that's
like please? Will I be able to blur backgrounds etc?

Lastly, why does the EOS 300D come with a video cable?

Hope you can help, thank you so much for your time.

RJ
al-Farrob - 30 Oct 2004 11:24 GMT
> Hi
>
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> lag-time the EOS 300D has so I capture these action shots? How does the
> lag-time campare to a film SLR camera?

No lag time:)
In reality there is some miliseconds, but nothing noticable.

> I'm quite new to photography so I would welcome any opinion on the EOS
> 300D camera for a nearly new user. My present camera is a digital point
> and shoot which is very slow.

That is one of the major problems with digicams, mainly the so called lag
time consits of time to get the autofocus.

> I think the camera comes with software, could anyone tell mee what's
> that's like please? Will I be able to blur backgrounds etc?

The Digital SLR's are very flexible, mainly in that they permit lens
interchange. There are lenses for all tastes, and prices:)
Bluring backgrounds is a question of using a narrow dof which is possible
with any DSLR with almost any kind of lens :)

> Lastly, why does the EOS 300D come with a video cable?
>
> Hope you can help, thank you so much for your time.
>
> RJ

If you do a google search on "Canon eos 300 d" you'll get information your
life will not be enough to read it all:)

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John Germany - 30 Oct 2004 13:37 GMT
Not trying to confuse you, but read these.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=9626391
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=10865236

According to this review,
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Canon/canon_eos300d.asp
there is a short maximum number of frames that can be captured.   The Nikon
D70 on the other hand will capture 144 continuous images at a full 3 frames
per second.
Before you go buy the camera, make sure and hold the Canon and the Nikon.  I
think you will notice a big difference.

The video cable is to view pictures on your TV.
You can always use a technique called panning to blur your backgrounds.

> Hi
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> RJ
Carl - 31 Oct 2004 01:07 GMT
> Not trying to confuse you, but read these.
>
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> D70 on the other hand will capture 144 continuous images at a full 3 frames
> per second.
Actually the D70's buffer capacity is 12 frames Jpeg or 4 frames NEF at
3 frames per second.
Carlos Moreno - 31 Oct 2004 05:40 GMT
>> D70 on the other hand will capture 144 continuous images at a full 3
>> frames
>> per second.
>
> Actually the D70's buffer capacity is 12 frames Jpeg or 4 frames NEF at
> 3 frames per second.

I'm quite sure that with a high-speed card that doesn't
hold the camera back, it can go at peak speed for a while.

Carlos
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Carl - 31 Oct 2004 09:51 GMT
>>> D70 on the other hand will capture 144 continuous images at a full 3
>>> frames
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>
> Carlos
Maybe, you could be right. I use a 512mb and 2 1gb 80x Lexar cards and
have found from personal experience that I have occasionally overtaken
the buffer - and I'm one of those odd people who has never shot in
continuous mode. I must try it one day.
Dick Sidbury - 31 Oct 2004 15:54 GMT
>>> D70 on the other hand will capture 144 continuous images at a full 3
>>> frames
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Carlos
well fwiw, at the highest jpg setting (9 frames in the buffer) I get 11
frames with a SLOW card (Kingston 1 gig) before stopping (and then about
10 seconds to dump all of them to the card.

dick
Carlos Moreno - 30 Oct 2004 13:40 GMT
> Hi
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> camera for a nearly new user. My present camera is a digital point and shoot
> which is very slow.

There are two things to consider:  the time it takes from the
moment you press the shutter, which is negligible with any
decent Digital SLR camera;  and the time it takes for the
camera to be ready for the next shot -- which may be
important for certain action shots (you may want to take
a burst of 10 images in a couple of seconds).

I'm not sure how the Canon 300D stands, but you may want to
check out the Nikon D70 (they advertised that feature very
loudly as being much better than the Canon 10D; so it may
be even better than the 300D)

Also, whichever camera you choose, you want to make sure
that you buy *fast* memory cards.

Good luck!

Carlos
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Alex - 30 Oct 2004 15:44 GMT
>Therefore does anyone know how I find out what lag-time
>the EOS 300D has so I capture these action shots? How does the lag-time
>campare to a film SLR camera?

Most any DSLR will perform favourably in this area.

>I'm quite new to photography so I would welcome any opinion on the EOS 300D
>camera for a nearly new user.

There is a learning curve for any DSLR. That said, if you mastered Av
or Tv modes of your current camera, you shouldn't have any problems.

>I think the camera comes with software, could anyone tell mee what's that's
>like please? Will I be able to blur backgrounds etc?

The best thing to do is to blur the backgrounds with the lens aperture
(the lower the number, the more blur you get). With that
understanding, make sure you don't buy a consumer-grade lens with your
camera. I.e. don't buy a mid-range zoom with an maximum aperture of
over 4. At worst, it should have, either a variable aperture of 2.8-4
or a fixed aperture of 4 (a fixed aperture of 2.8 would be best, of
course).

Just keep your options open. AFAIK the D70 from Nikon is a superior
camera to Canon's 300D. (Note: I love my Canon - I use a 1D.)

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Mike Kohary - 30 Oct 2004 20:50 GMT
>Hi
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>the EOS 300D has so I capture these action shots? How does the lag-time
>campare to a film SLR camera?

Unlike with digital point-and-shoots, there is no lag with digital
SLRs.  You'll find the performance in this respect to be identical to
a film SLR.

>I'm quite new to photography so I would welcome any opinion on the EOS 300D
>camera for a nearly new user. My present camera is a digital point and shoot
>which is very slow.

It's a great camera for beginners or advanced users.  It can be set
anywhere from full auto to full manual, and it's a camera you can grow
into as you learn more.

>I think the camera comes with software, could anyone tell mee what's that's
>like please? Will I be able to blur backgrounds etc?

The camera itself will blur backgrounds very nicely (depending on the
lenses you use; the stock lens does a good job of "portrait blur", and
I assume that's what you're looking for).

I actually don't know the software that comes with the camera very
well, since I never use it.  :)

>Lastly, why does the EOS 300D come with a video cable?

You can plug it into a TV and view your pictures there.

Mike
ericm1600@yahoo.com - 31 Oct 2004 01:38 GMT
>Therefore does anyone know how I find out what lag-time
>the EOS 300D has so I capture these action shots? How does the lag-time
>campare to a film SLR camera?

Google is your friend.  I've been looking into this, myself.  Don't believe
anybody that says any particular SLR has no lag time.  If you have to wait
for the mirror to swing out of the way, you will have a lag time.

The 1v (film) has a lag of 55 ms.  Seems short, but a lot can happen even in
that time.  The 20d is 65 ms; 10d, 90 ms; 300d, 130 ms.

I'm comparing the times to the 1v because that's what I use, and that's what
is important to me.

The only camera I've used that could be said to have no lag time is my
rangefinder, and even that has a lag of 12 ms.  For all intents and
purposes, that's instantaneous.  Even the 55 ms seems like forever after
I've been shooting with the rangefinder for a while.

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Eric
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Mike Kohary - 31 Oct 2004 18:24 GMT
>>Therefore does anyone know how I find out what lag-time
>>the EOS 300D has so I capture these action shots? How does the lag-time
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>The 1v (film) has a lag of 55 ms.  Seems short, but a lot can happen even in
>that time.  The 20d is 65 ms; 10d, 90 ms; 300d, 130 ms.

Literally speaking, there is a lag.  It's not physically possible to
not have a lag.  But realistically speaking, to our human senses, on
an SLR it's so fast that it's virtually instantaneous, and for all
intents and purposes insignificant.  I've yet to miss a shot with my
D-Reb because of lag.

Mike
Steve Barker - 31 Oct 2004 18:17 GMT
While i don't have one, i've heard the EOS cameras are virtually lag free.
And and besides, once you learn to anticipate it, lag is a non issue.  I
have a nikon cool pix that has some lag, and it doesn't seem to present a
problem.  I just push the button halfway down, then fire when ready.

s

> Hi
>
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>
> RJ
Alan Brennan - 31 Oct 2004 19:27 GMT
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:05:47 +0100
R J ( rj@c.freeserve.co.uk )
wrote

> Hi
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> I think the camera comes with software, could anyone tell mee what's that's
> like please? Will I be able to blur backgrounds etc?

Others seem to have answered your other questions. The software is a
package called Zoombrowser which allows you to download the photos from
your camera to the computer, and then to look at them. It is a basic
program of its type, but more than adequate for most beginners. There
are a couple of other good programs. One allows control of the camera
from the computer. One allows you to stitch several shots together to
make one continuous panorama - this program works very well indeed. Also
included is Photoshop elements, which lets you make changes to your
photos. It is a cut down version of Photoshop. It is very easy to use,
and allows you to perform all the operations that a beginner would be
interested in: resizing, cropping, changing colours and sharpness,
automatically removing red eye, etc etc. As you develop your interest
you may want to buy more "professional" level programs but the ones
supplied will do most of the things most people want.

> Lastly, why does the EOS 300D come with a video cable?
>
> Hope you can help, thank you so much for your time.
>
> RJ
 
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