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jones - 01 Jul 2009 04:57 GMT
I have just bought an Agfa Digital Camera which has a square white battery.

Do these type of batteries need to be recharged before using them for the
first time?

Thanks for any help
Katherine
Ofnuts - 01 Jul 2009 08:46 GMT
> I have just bought an Agfa Digital Camera which has a square white battery.
>
> Do these type of batteries need to be recharged before using them for the
> first time?

All batteries self-discharge slowly (some faster than others). I think
most batteries are pre-charged to half-capacity before being sold, but
what remains in them depends on storage time spent on the shelf before
the sale.

This said, there is no risk trying... put the battery in the camera, and
if it works, it's all the better (but don't expect to take more than 20
pictures or so), otherwise put it in the charger.

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jones - 01 Jul 2009 08:56 GMT
Thank you for your reply. Much appreciated.
Katherine

> All batteries self-discharge slowly (some faster than others). I think
> most batteries are pre-charged to half-capacity before being sold, but
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> if it works, it's all the better (but don't expect to take more than 20
> pictures or so), otherwise put it in the charger.
Joel - 01 Jul 2009 11:51 GMT
> I have just bought an Agfa Digital Camera which has a square white battery.
>
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> Thanks for any help
> Katherine

    The bettery may be already charged but I bet it won't bite if we charge
first before using.
Peter - 01 Jul 2009 13:08 GMT
>I have just bought an Agfa Digital Camera which has a square white battery.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Thanks for any help
> Katherine

You are best off checking whether you have a rechargeable battery. I am a
true believer in Murphy's law  and always, or almost always carries an extra
battery and memory card. (The one time I didn't, cost me a bunch of shots.)

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Joel - 01 Jul 2009 15:23 GMT
> >I have just bought an Agfa Digital Camera which has a square white battery.
> >
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> true believer in Murphy's law  and always, or almost always carries an extra
> battery and memory card. (The one time I didn't, cost me a bunch of shots.)

    I always have not one but 3 extra batteries, and not 2 but 4 battery
chargers.  But 2 weeks ago, it didn't cost me any shot but $65 for a Charger
from a local Best Buy 1,400 miles away from home.

    The problem that before I left home, I tried to charge all batteries to
make sure I have enough juice for the job.  When I got there, I found out I
forgot to pack the batteries and charger, but only 2 batteries on 2 cameras.

    I found the RITZ store had the charger for $12 but they didn't have in
stock, so I had to buy a dual-charger from Best Buy for $65.  Now I end up
with 5 chargers.
Wayne R. - 01 Jul 2009 17:27 GMT
>    I always have not one but 3 extra batteries, and not 2 but 4 battery
>chargers.  But 2 weeks ago, it didn't cost me any shot but $65 for a Charger
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>make sure I have enough juice for the job.  When I got there, I found out I
>forgot to pack the batteries and charger, but only 2 batteries on 2 cameras.

This is why I pointedly target buying stuff that uses AA/AAA or
charges via USB. I even have a USB charger for AA & AAA batteries.

These proprietary battery/charger deals make no sense to me.
Joel - 01 Jul 2009 19:01 GMT
> >    I always have not one but 3 extra batteries, and not 2 but 4 battery
> >chargers.  But 2 weeks ago, it didn't cost me any shot but $65 for a Charger
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> This is why I pointedly target buying stuff that uses AA/AAA or
> charges via USB. I even have a USB charger for AA & AAA batteries.

    Well, if my camera requires AA/AAA betteries then I was in luck cuz I
didn't forget to tag along around 30 AA batteries and 2 chargers for my
flashes, and 8 AAA batteries for my portable speaker for my MP3.

> These proprietary battery/charger deals make no sense to me.

    That's part of life and I have learned to accept and enjoy every part of
life, even most doesn't make much or no sense.
Charles E Hardwidge - 01 Jul 2009 20:21 GMT
>> I always have not one but 3 extra batteries, and not 2 but 4 battery
>>chargers.  But 2 weeks ago, it didn't cost me any shot but $65 for a
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> These proprietary battery/charger deals make no sense to me.

I think, the idea is you get higher energy density and quality assurance but
I'm no fan of proprietary stuff that can be obsoleted even with the best of
intents. Proprietary batteries and raw have their advantages but open and
universal standards have less issues for me. Indeed, experience with patents
suggests that proprietary standards can hold markets and growth back.

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Wolfgang Weisselberg - 02 Jul 2009 00:33 GMT
Wayne R <wruffner@KomKast.net> wrote:

> This is why I pointedly target buying stuff that uses AA/AAA or
> charges via USB. I even have a USB charger for AA & AAA batteries.

> These proprietary battery/charger deals make no sense to me.

Trying to charge your electric car on a 5 Volt 0.1 Ampere ---
you only get 0.5 Amps if you *ask* for it and are *granted* the
higher load! --- USB charger will some day explain it all to you.

I've got a charger that crams 4 AA batteries (almost) full in about
15 minutes from fully empty.  Agreed, that's not the recipe for the
longest possible life, but sometimes I need refilled batteries,
and lots of them, quickly.  So I get 16 AA batteries filled in
about an hour.  Your USB-charger takes at least 16 hours for that,
if it's perfect --- and probably won't watch each cell separately.

-Wolfgang
jones - 02 Jul 2009 04:37 GMT
My battery is a rechargeable, and a charger came as part of the package.

You mentioned USB charger - does that mean you plug in the charger to a USB
port (I am assuming when the computer is on?) and let it charge up that way?

Interesting idea.
Katherine

> This is why I pointedly target buying stuff that uses AA/AAA or
> charges via USB. I even have a USB charger for AA & AAA batteries.
>
> These proprietary battery/charger deals make no sense to me.
Wayne R. - 02 Jul 2009 19:01 GMT
>You mentioned USB charger - does that mean you plug in the charger to a USB
>port (I am assuming when the computer is on?) and let it charge up that way?
>
>Interesting idea.
>Katherine

It's an Eneloop charger:

<http://www.lelong.com.my/Auc/List/2007-01DxSaleX121309_AUCTION_-Sanyo-Eneloop-US
B-Charger-Bundle-with-2AA-New.htm
>
jones - 03 Jul 2009 04:15 GMT
>>You mentioned USB charger - does that mean you plug in the charger to a
>>USB port (I am assuming when the computer is on?) and let it charge up
>>that way?
>>
>>Interesting idea.
>>Katherine

> It's an Eneloop charger:
>
> <http://www.lelong.com.my/Auc/List/2007-01DxSaleX121309_AUCTION_-Sanyo-Eneloop-US
B-Charger-Bundle-with-2AA-New.htm
>

Does it charge the batteries (via USB port) while the computer is running?
Wayne R. - 03 Jul 2009 14:40 GMT
>>>You mentioned USB charger - does that mean you plug in the charger to a
>>>USB port (I am assuming when the computer is on?) and let it charge up
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>
>Does it charge the batteries (via USB port) while the computer is running?

Yes, both AA & AAA. Also, I put together a kit of wall-transformer USB
and cigarette-plug-USB chargers, along with a couple of cables for
cell, walkie-talkies & GPS. And special cables for my Sansa MP3 player
and Jawbone Bluetooth things.

So now I can charge all of my doodads from (running) laptop, wall or
car with just a small kit. (Some new laptops/netbooks will supply
voltage to the USB ports even when otherwise off - specifically to
charge stuff.)

One thing: If you want to charge a phone, make sure the chargers are
at least 1 amp (1000mA), otherwise they might not get the job done.

<http://www.amazon.com/Sanyo-Eneloop-Pre-Charged-Rechargeable-Batteries/dp/B000XV
ZYXO/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1246627797&sr=8-9
>
<http://www.amazon.com/Scosche-Dual-USB-Car-Charger/dp/B000RYSU7O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=U
TF8&s=electronics&qid=1246627832&sr=1-1
>
<http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Dual-Wall-Charger-iPod/dp/B000SQYZE8/ref=sr_1_4?ie=
UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1246627855&sr=1-4
>

I got a La Crosse set as a gift, and it really is a fine charger too,
and it really babies the batteries to get the most juice into them. To
do that, it does it slowly, and so only really works from a wall.
Super nice but pretty geeky too.

<http://www.amazon.com/Crosse-Technology-BC-9009-AlphaPower-Battery/dp/B00077AA5Q
/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1246628174&sr=1-1
>
Wolfgang Weisselberg - 01 Jul 2009 14:17 GMT
> I have just bought an Agfa Digital Camera which has a square white battery.

> Do these type of batteries need to be recharged before using them for the
> first time?

What does the manual say?  Some manuals tell you you really should
charge the battery fullly before first use ...

-Wolfgang
jones - 02 Jul 2009 04:42 GMT
I'm afraid the "manual" was a thick one.  2 pages in just about every
language on earth.

The 2 English pages just said " This is the lens" "This is the viewer" etc
etc.  So not much use there.

Just thought I would ask this group, before I ring the Manufacturers of the
Camera.

My other cameras just had the AA/AAA batteries, but these are new to me
(square flat ones).

Regards
Katherine

"Wolfgang Weisselberg" < wrote in message
>> I have just bought an Agfa Digital Camera which has a square white
>> battery.
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>
> -Wolfgang
Wolfgang Weisselberg - 02 Jul 2009 15:19 GMT
> I'm afraid the "manual" was a thick one.  2 pages in just about every
> language on earth.
> The 2 English pages just said " This is the lens" "This is the viewer" etc
> etc.  So not much use there.

Complain to your dealer.  Return the camera, you got yourself a
defective product: it's missing the manual.

-Wolfgang

PS: Please don't top post.
D. Peter Maus - 01 Jul 2009 15:15 GMT
> I have just bought an Agfa Digital Camera which has a square white battery.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Thanks for any help
> Katherine

 Li-Ion batteries, like all batteries, self discharge over time.
Li-Ion batteries, however, lose life as well as charge if stored
fully charged. So, before they're stuffed into the box, they're
charged to about 30%. This is the optimum charge for storage of the
battery to insure maximum life.

 So, yes, charge the battery before you use the camera.
jones - 02 Jul 2009 04:45 GMT
"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message >

Li-Ion batteries, like all batteries, self discharge over time.
> Li-Ion batteries, however, lose life as well as charge if stored fully
> charged. So, before they're stuffed into the box, they're charged to about
> 30%. This is the optimum charge for storage of the > battery to insure
> maximum life.
>
>  So, yes, charge the battery before you use the camera.

Thank you. Will charge it fully before using.
Katherine
D. Peter Maus - 02 Jul 2009 15:28 GMT
> "D. Peter Maus" wrote in message>
>
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> Thank you. Will charge it fully before using.
> Katherine

  You're welcome.

  And nobody calls me 'Mr' with my pants on.

  p
 
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