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Photo Forum / General Photo Topics / General Topics / October 2008Nikon Compatibility question
I have a Nikon zoom AF-Nikkor 80-400mm 1:4.5-5.6D that works fine on my Nikon D50. I won a Nikon D-60 and the lens will not work in AF mode on it. I tried to change the mode to AF on the D60, but it says "This option is not available with current settings." Any help getting it to work appreciated. Thanks >I have a Nikon zoom AF-Nikkor 80-400mm 1:4.5-5.6D that works fine on > my Nikon D50. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > not available with current settings." Any help getting it to work > appreciated. Try posting your question here: http://www.flickr.com/groups/d40slr/ You might also want to try Nikon technical support. HTH  SignaturePeter >>I have a Nikon zoom AF-Nikkor 80-400mm 1:4.5-5.6D that works fine on >> my Nikon D50. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > You might also want to try Nikon technical support. Maybe I'm thinking too simply, here, but wouldn't this likely be because the lens does not have a focus motor, as the D60 requires for AF? SignatureBlinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org Need a new news feed? http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html > >>I have a Nikon zoom AF-Nikkor 80-400mm 1:4.5-5.6D that works fine on > >> my Nikon D50. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Maybe I'm thinking too simply, here, but wouldn't this likely be because > the lens does not have a focus motor, as the D60 requires for AF? I don't own Nikon but I read the man mentions "Nikon D60" then I am pretty sure he means the Nikon D60 *not* the lens. Because if it's the lens then the AF shouldn't work with other Nikon body. I am making a wild guess here. - In order to have AF feature and other, the BODY will have to have the PIN (electronic connector) in order to turn the LENS - Then the lens will have to have the PIN as well. So, if the lens has the PINS but the D60 doesn't then there won't be AF. If the D60 has the PINs but the lens doesn't then there is no AF for D60 and no AF for *all* Nikon bodies. >> >>I have a Nikon zoom AF-Nikkor 80-400mm 1:4.5-5.6D that works fine on >> >> my Nikon D50. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > If the D60 has the PINs but the lens doesn't then there is no AF for D60 and > no AF for *all* Nikon bodies. May I simplify? His D60 body: AF is by electronic sigs to in-lens focus motor. His lens: AF is by mechanical drive from camera. SignatureBlinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org Need a new news feed? http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html >>>>> I have a Nikon zoom AF-Nikkor 80-400mm 1:4.5-5.6D that works fine >>>>> on my Nikon D50. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > His lens: AF is by mechanical drive from camera. But he said the lens worked in AF mode with a D50. I may be wrong, but I thought the D50 required the AF motors and drive mechanism to be inside the lens, as just like the D40 and D60, it doesn't have its own AF motors. > >> >>I have a Nikon zoom AF-Nikkor 80-400mm 1:4.5-5.6D that works fine on > >> >> my Nikon D50. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > His lens: AF is by mechanical drive from camera. *If* both have the feature but he can't get it to work, then there must be either - Something is wrong with his D60 - He may not the option enabled. And he is the only one with the right answer. >> >> >>I have a Nikon zoom AF-Nikkor 80-400mm 1:4.5-5.6D that works fine on >> >> >> my Nikon D50. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > *If* both have the feature but he can't get it to work, then there must be > either The lens requires in-camera AF motor. The D60 only provides AF contacts for in-lens AF motor. It's that simple. > - Something is wrong with his D60 Nope. > - He may not the option enabled. It's not up to him. > And he is the only one with the right answer. No, anyone who can read the specs for the lens and the camera can have the right answer. But I'm tired of repeating it here. SignatureBlinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org Need a new news feed? http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html >> Maybe I'm thinking too simply, here, but wouldn't this likely be because >> the lens does not have a focus motor, as the D60 requires for AF? The D50 (the OP's original camera) has the built in motor for AF-D, the D60 does not. Hence only AF-S lenses (in which the lens has its own motor) will auto focus on the D60. Either AF-D or AF-S lenses will auto focus with the D50. > I am making a wild guess here. Wild guesses do not help anyone. SignatureFloyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com >>> Maybe I'm thinking too simply, here, but wouldn't this likely be >>> because the lens does not have a focus motor, as the D60 requires >>> for AF? > > The D50 (the OP's original camera) has the built in > motor for AF-D Ah, I stand corrected in my response to Blinky, less than 10 seconds ago. I wish I'd read this before posting it, LOL. > >> Maybe I'm thinking too simply, here, but wouldn't this likely be because > >> the lens does not have a focus motor, as the D60 requires for AF? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Wild guesses do not help anyone. But at least I can guess, and I bet the OP may find the answer, not? >> >> Maybe I'm thinking too simply, here, but wouldn't this likely be because >> >> the lens does not have a focus motor, as the D60 requires for AF? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > But at least I can guess, and I bet the OP may find the answer, not? He could find it here. It's been stated several times, by more than one poster: the D60 can't AF that lens. By design. SignatureBlinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org Need a new news feed? http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html >>>I have a Nikon zoom AF-Nikkor 80-400mm 1:4.5-5.6D that works fine on >>> my Nikon D50. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Maybe I'm thinking too simply, here, but wouldn't this likely be because > the lens does not have a focus motor, as the D60 requires for AF? You may be right. But I am not familiar with the D60, so I suggest to the OP another place he might get a reasonable answer. SignaturePeter >>>>I have a Nikon zoom AF-Nikkor 80-400mm 1:4.5-5.6D that works fine on >>>> my Nikon D50. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > You may be right. But I am not familiar with the D60, so I suggest to the OP > another place he might get a reasonable answer. I am right, and he's received the reasonable and correct answer here several times. I was just trying to be gentle and not sound condescending. I own a D60; and I'm capable of reading the specs on the lens in question. SignatureBlinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org Need a new news feed? http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html >>I have a Nikon zoom AF-Nikkor 80-400mm 1:4.5-5.6D that works fine on >> my Nikon D50. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >You might also want to try Nikon technical support. Or more likely http://www.nikonians.org Signature\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ >>>I have a Nikon zoom AF-Nikkor 80-400mm 1:4.5-5.6D that works fine on >>> my Nikon D50. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > http://www.nikonians.org Yup! forgot about that site. SignaturePeter The Nikon D60 does not support Auto Focus on the D series. Use manual focus. http://www.nikonians.org/nikon/slr-lens.html >I have a Nikon zoom AF-Nikkor 80-400mm 1:4.5-5.6D that works fine on > my Nikon D50. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Thanks Well strictly speaking it is not the D series that restricts AF on the D60, but whether or not it is an AF-S or AF-I lens. Having said that though it looks like the only current D lens that is AF-S is the 300mm f/4. I'm somewhat POed at Nikon for going to the G lenses, even for macro lenses, because that makes them pretty much useless with extension rings and bellows. > The Nikon D60 does not support Auto Focus on the D series. > Use manual focus. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >> Thanks > I'm somewhat POed at Nikon for going to the G lenses, even for macro > lenses, because that makes them pretty much useless with extension rings > and bellows. Have you tried the Kenko line of extension tubes and bellows? http://www.photographyreview.com/cat/lenses/35mm-converters/kenko/PRD_83453_3132 crx.aspx http://tinyurl.com/4j34ut SignaturePeter >> I'm somewhat POed at Nikon for going to the G lenses, even for macro >> lenses, because that makes them pretty much useless with extension rings [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://tinyurl.com/4j34ut Thanks for the link. I had read reviews of the Kenko extension tubes and they were generaly negative, the site you pointed me to has more positive reviews, so I will give them a try. >>> I'm somewhat POed at Nikon for going to the G lenses, even for macro >>> lenses, because that makes them pretty much useless with extension rings [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > they were generaly negative, the site you pointed me to has more positive > reviews, so I will give them a try. I use a Kenko 1.4 tale extender and an extension tube on my 70-200 with little noticeable difference. SignaturePeter > null wrote > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Have you tried the Kenko line of extension tubes and bellows? > http://www.photographyreview.com/cat/lenses/35mm-converters/kenko/PRD_83453_3132 crx.aspx I use an ancient E2 Nikon tube (small, only 12mm) and it has a plunger for the aperture which can be fitted with a nut & bolt from any hardware store to (imprecisely) stop down a G lens on a bellows. The problem with Kenko tubes I've heard is they are wobbly when you try to stack for longer extension. Would be handy though. My (sturdy old) PB4 bellows gives 50mm minimum extension (plus the 12mm) and I also have a 25mm PK13 tube. Regarding compatibility; it is confusing that the D60 with a larger numeric model number has less functionality than a D50 but that was just a change in approach to remove the AF motor in the body for cost & size. You would want a D80 or D90 to get that AF back. The E2 tube btw is actually pre-Ai but will not damage anything mounting. I think there is an adapter for it's plunger designed for bellows but that's more hassle than it's worth and it's just a coincidence that it is useful for G lenses & mounts on the newest bodies. :-) SignaturePaul Furman www.edgehill.net www.baynatives.com all google groups messages filtered due to spam >>> I'm somewhat POed at Nikon for going to the G lenses, even for macro >>> lenses, because that makes them pretty much useless with extension rings [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > bellows gives 50mm minimum extension (plus the 12mm) and I also have a > 25mm PK13 tube. Never tried stacking them. Does anyone here have experience with the Nikon tubes? Until about a month ago I had a Nikon 200 A! Macro, that was sharp as a tack. It even worked well with an old 2x extender. I hope the basta--d who stole it ........ SignaturePeter > >>> I'm somewhat POed at Nikon for going to the G lenses, even for macro > >>> lenses, because that makes them pretty much useless with extension rings [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > tack. It even worked well with an old 2x extender. I hope the basta--d who > stole it ........ Most tube(s) should work similar to each other, or in general. - Macro tube should have no optical - Stacking multiple tubes to bring the lens further away from the body, so you can be able to have the lens closer (?) to subject. I have tried ON/OFF to remember all small detail - And there are at least 2 different type of tubes. (1) one has no AF so you have to focus manually, (2) one with PIN to have full AF. The main thing that a true macro is 1:1 macro and tube is 2:1 macro (or 1:2 ?). With film system I used to have (2) 1:1 macro lens and 1 2:1 macro lens, the DSLR or EF lens system I have the AF macro Tube. I don't do macro photograph but can't stand reading without trying it myself so I ordered one from Hong Kong which is much cheaper than from US (exact same tube but $50-60 cheaper). > The problem with Kenko tubes I've heard is they are wobbly when you try > to stack for longer extension. Would be handy though. My (sturdy old) > PB4 bellows gives 50mm minimum extension (plus the 12mm) and I also have > a 25mm PK13 tube. The Kenkos are plastic, aren't they? If yes, might that be relevant? SignatureBlinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org Need a new news feed? http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html > > The problem with Kenko tubes I've heard is they are wobbly when you try > > to stack for longer extension. Would be handy though. My (sturdy old) > > PB4 bellows gives 50mm minimum extension (plus the 12mm) and I also have > > a 25mm PK13 tube. > > The Kenkos are plastic, aren't they? If yes, might that be relevant? I doùnt know about Kenko for Nikon, but I know both of my Kenko Macro Tube & Extension are AF (Auto-Focus) so they both have metal rink with AF PINs to turn the lens. Also, unlike the Canon brand which has to tape some PIN in order for the AF to work with aperature >5.6 (?), I tested the Kenko without some PIN taped on the Bigma 50-500mm f4-5.6 and it worked without tape. Other than that the Bigma 50-500mm, I don't have any lens less than f2.8 to test. Also, I bought it to test to see how the AF works with & without some PIN taped, I almost have no use for the extension so never test for quality. >> > The problem with Kenko tubes I've heard is they are wobbly when you try >> > to stack for longer extension. Would be handy though. My (sturdy old) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > & Extension are AF (Auto-Focus) so they both have metal rink with AF PINs to > turn the lens. I wasn't talking about mounts and contacts; I was talking about barrels. SignatureBlinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org Need a new news feed? http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html >>> > The problem with Kenko tubes I've heard is they are wobbly when you >>> > try [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > I wasn't talking about mounts and contacts; I was talking about barrels. The barrel on mine is definitely plastic. But then so is the barrel on many Nikon lenses, except for my 70-200 and 80 -400. SignaturePeter >>>> > The problem with Kenko tubes I've heard is they are wobbly when you >>>> > try [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > The barrel on mine is definitely plastic. But then so is the barrel on many > Nikon lenses, except for my 70-200 and 80 -400. Are the Kenkos polycarbonate, like the lenses? SignatureBlinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org Need a new news feed? http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html >>>>> > The problem with Kenko tubes I've heard is they are wobbly when you >>>>> > try [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Are the Kenkos polycarbonate, like the lenses? I don't know. All I do know is that I got the 1.4 extender because it seems to work reasonably well on three of my lenses, while the Nikon 1.4 at twice the price, does not. SignaturePeter > >>>>> > The problem with Kenko tubes I've heard is they are wobbly when you > >>>>> > try [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > to work reasonably well on three of my lenses, while the Nikon 1.4 at twice > the price, does not. Around 2 years or so ago some folks at www.dpreview.com posted the samples and passed the information between Canon 1.4x & 2X vs Kenko vs other 3rd party extension, and Kenko got very high score. They think the Canon is slightly better but not much, and Kenko is/was 1/2 the price. Me? if it has to zoom in real close to take a very very close look to see the difference, then to me it's close enough or too close for me to care. >>>>>> > The problem with Kenko tubes I've heard is they are wobbly when you >>>>>> > try [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>>>>> >>>>>> The Kenkos are plastic, aren't they? If yes, might that be relevant? I was told stacking them on a big lens gets wobbly. But no Nikon tubes will give any AF connection or VR, just the aperture lever. I forget the model but there is an old large-ish (100mm?) Nikon tube with a tripod mount which would be useful because it is very sturdy & stable. The only way to get the electronics through for something that stable would be to know the glass out of a 2x teleconverter :-) >>> The barrel on mine is definitely plastic. But then so is the barrel >>> on many Nikon lenses, except for my 70-200 and 80 -400. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > seems to work reasonably well on three of my lenses, while the Nikon 1.4 > at twice the price, does not. Most of the TCs only work with longer/larger AF-S/AF-I lenses which are recessed for the protruding front element of the TC. The Nikon 1.4x is exceptional for these lenses and very compact compared to the 2x. There are some really old ones that'll work on 'normal' lenses. SignaturePaul Furman www.edgehill.net www.baynatives.com all google groups messages filtered due to spam |
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