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JJ - 19 May 2008 00:42 GMT I took this Nikon D70 shot in fairly bright light, but for some reason, the shot came out very dark looking. I had exp comp set to zero and WB to auto, ISO to 200. My Canon Digital Rebel would show a shot like this much brighter, so why is this Nikon D70 shot so dark? Hmm.
http://picasaweb.google.com/FSoftie/FSoftieAlbum/photo#5201863504308243138
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RoushStudios - 19 May 2008 01:46 GMT > I took this Nikon D70 shot in fairly bright light, but for some reason, the > shot came out very dark looking. I had exp comp set to zero and WB to auto, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > J I would check and make SURE the exposure compensation isn't set to -2 or something. That is what it looks like to me, although you claim it was set to zero. Which of the auto settings were you using? or did you read this scene on manual? This photograph is about 2 stops dark. If the cloudy sky was very bright from being backlit it would explain it somewhat but not totally. Jeff Roush / photography instructor http://www.roushphotoonline.com
JJ - 19 May 2008 10:35 GMT On May 18, 6:42 pm, "JJ" <kebahtp...@ngothabfjy.com> wrote:
> I took this Nikon D70 shot in fairly bright light, but for some reason, > the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > J I would check and make SURE the exposure compensation isn't set to -2 or something. That is what it looks like to me, although you claim it was set to zero. Which of the auto settings were you using? or did you read this scene on manual? This photograph is about 2 stops dark. If the cloudy sky was very bright from being backlit it would explain it somewhat but not totally. Jeff Roush / photography instructor http://www.roushphotoonline.com
I took this shot in 'P' mode and it's one of 150 photos I took that day, and all of them are very dark. Exp comp was definetely set to zero. It seems the Nikon reacts to light differently from the Canon.
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gpsman - 19 May 2008 02:18 GMT > why is this Nikon D70 shot so dark? > http://picasaweb.google.com/FSoftie/FSoftieAlbum/photo#52018635043082... Looks to me as if the sky was metered. -----
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JJ - 19 May 2008 10:34 GMT >> why is this Nikon D70 shot so dark? >> http://picasaweb.google.com/FSoftie/FSoftieAlbum/photo#52018635043082... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > - gpsman When you ay 'metered', do you mean the part of the shot where I aimed the focus-point of the camera? If yes, I aimed it right at the line between the ground and the water.
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AxisOfBeagles - 19 May 2008 03:50 GMT Per gpsman's comment - could be that the camera is metering the sky, and not the foreground. Is there a metering control - center weighted, full, etc..?
> I took this Nikon D70 shot in fairly bright light, but for some reason, the > shot came out very dark looking. I had exp comp set to zero and WB to auto, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > J Paul Furman - 19 May 2008 04:04 GMT > JJ said: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > and not the foreground. Is there a metering control - center weighted, > full, etc..? The D70 doesn't have spot metering so that can't be the problem. Is it possible light was streaming in the viewfinder (shooting by tripod)? I really don't know, I'll just confirm that it is way dark & I don't recall that problem with my D70. Is this a regular problem or a one-time deal?
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JJ - 19 May 2008 10:39 GMT >> JJ said: >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > really don't know, I'll just confirm that it is way dark & I don't recall > that problem with my D70. Is this a regular problem or a one-time deal? All shots that day were like this one, I took all shots hand-held (no tripod). I don't think there was any light getting into the viewfinder other than the light from the shot.
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Paul Furman - 19 May 2008 20:05 GMT >>> JJ said: >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > tripod). I don't think there was any light getting into the viewfinder other > than the light from the shot. I was wrong about spot metering, that might cause this problem, or the exif data could reveal another answer. Can you show the exif data for us or post one unedited image? This certainly isn't normal behavior.
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JJ - 19 May 2008 22:14 GMT >>>> JJ said: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > exif data could reveal another answer. Can you show the exif data for us > or post one unedited image? This certainly isn't normal behavior. Thanks. I'll post some shots with exif data tomorrow when it will be brighter....'hopefully. :)
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JJ - 20 May 2008 19:02 GMT >>>> JJ said: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > exif data could reveal another answer. Can you show the exif data for us > or post one unedited image? This certainly isn't normal behavior. A couple with full exif data....
http://picasaweb.google.com/FSoftie/FSoftieAlbum/photo#5202521184060345122
http://picasaweb.google.com/FSoftie/FSoftieAlbum/photo#5202521158290541330
Cheers.
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Paul Furman - 20 May 2008 23:27 GMT >>>>> JJ said: >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > http://picasaweb.google.com/FSoftie/FSoftieAlbum/photo#5202521184060345122 This one is actually overexposed some and has no exif.
> http://picasaweb.google.com/FSoftie/FSoftieAlbum/photo#5202521158290541330 This one is only maybe slightly underexposed, here's some edited exif from irfanview:
File: - 2.JPG
Model - NIKON D70 ExposureTime - 1/350.0 seconds FNumber - 9.50 ExposureProgram - Normal program ShutterSpeedValue - 1/1 seconds ApertureValue - F 1.00 ExposureBiasValue - 0.00 MaxApertureValue - F 3.48 SubjectDistance - 0.00 m MeteringMode - Multi-segment LightSource - Auto Flash - Not fired FocalLength - 18.00 mm SensingMethod - One-chip color area sensor ExposureMode - Auto White Balance - Auto SceneCaptureType - Standard GainControl - None SubjectDistanceRange - Unknown
I don't see anything odd, sorry. I don't understand it all wither though. Oh, one other thought, did it perhaps get accidentally put into auto bracketing mode? That will make every other exposure wrong, or every three different, etc.
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JJ - 21 May 2008 01:15 GMT >>>>>> JJ said: >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > bracketing mode? That will make every other exposure wrong, or every three > different, etc. You were spot-on! I just checked the camera settings again and the auto-bracketing is set to 'on'. I thought this would be okay and the actual bracketing would only occur when I selected it by pressing the button with the 'bracket symbol' and remain off until then. Apparently not so, as it seems this could well be what was causing the problem, but shouldn't there be a line referring to it in the exif data?
Thanks for your help.
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Paul Furman - 21 May 2008 06:09 GMT >> Oh, one other thought, did it perhaps get accidentally put into auto >> bracketing mode? That will make every other exposure wrong, or every three [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the 'bracket symbol' and remain off until then. Apparently not so, as it > seems this could well be what was causing the problem, I had that happen a couple times, very frustrating! My conclusion is it's a flawed implementation though I seem to recall other cameras do it the same way. The D200 is infuriating because it's set with a switch that can get flipped while handling the camera accidentally. Argh.
> but shouldn't there be a line referring to it in the exif data? The one with exif data was a good exposure, the over/under shots should show it as exposure compensation:
ExposureBiasValue - -0.33 ExposureBiasValue - 0.00 ExposureBiasValue - +0.33
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John D. - 19 May 2008 14:31 GMT >The D70 doesn't have spot metering so > that can't be the problem. Actually, the D70 does have spot metering.
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JT's Ghost - 19 May 2008 19:37 GMT > >The D70 doesn't have spot metering so > > that can't be the problem. > > Actually, the D70 does have spot metering. Page 75 of the D70 Guide.
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JJ - 19 May 2008 10:37 GMT > Per gpsman's comment - could be that the camera is metering the sky, and > not the foreground. Is there a metering control - center weighted, full, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >> J I have the camera set to center weighted (8).
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JJ - 19 May 2008 10:50 GMT > I took this Nikon D70 shot in fairly bright light, but for some reason, > the shot came out very dark looking. I had exp comp set to zero and WB to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > J Here are some more shots from that day. You can see how dark they all are.
http://picasaweb.google.com/FSoftie/FSoftieAlbum
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Peter - 20 May 2008 01:53 GMT >> I took this Nikon D70 shot in fairly bright light, but for some reason, >> the shot came out very dark looking. I had exp comp set to zero and WB to [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > J I played with some of the images. They appear to be about 2/3 stop under. The shadows were easily corrected with a small levels adjustment.
I am guessing, by looking at the sky. It looks like a hazy day causing a scattering of the light, giving a false reading as your camera tried to reduce the reflected light into 18% gray.
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The One - 20 May 2008 12:14 GMT > I took this Nikon D70 shot in fairly bright light, but for some reason, > the shot came out very dark looking. I had exp comp set to zero and WB to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > J You have a DSLR and don't know how to use it. Worth the money was it?
JJ - 20 May 2008 13:06 GMT >> I took this Nikon D70 shot in fairly bright light, but for some reason, >> the shot came out very dark looking. I had exp comp set to zero and WB to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > You have a DSLR and don't know how to use it. Worth the money was it? So you have nothing better to do with your time than make dumb comments in newsgroups. You are a prick! In order to learn how to use something like a DSLR it helps (a lot) if you do actually own one first. Don't tell me, 'you' went to classes first...'then bought your's when you became 'expert' with it. Yes? Don't know if you can read or not, but this is a PHOTOGRPAHY newsgoup, maybe you'd be more aptly comfortable in the alt.dumbf*ck newsgoup. Yeah, I's say so.
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The One - 21 May 2008 12:14 GMT >>> I took this Nikon D70 shot in fairly bright light, but for some reason, >>> the shot came out very dark looking. I had exp comp set to zero and WB [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > J Hope it was worth the effort.
JJ - 21 May 2008 20:19 GMT >>>> I took this Nikon D70 shot in fairly bright light, but for some reason, >>>> the shot came out very dark looking. I had exp comp set to zero and WB [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Hope it was worth the effort. It's the first time you've been right about something 'mate'....'you're right, it wasn't worth it at all.
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The One - 22 May 2008 09:09 GMT >>>>> I took this Nikon D70 shot in fairly bright light, but for some >>>>> reason, the shot came out very dark looking. I had exp comp set to [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > J Whats PHOTOGRPAHY?
JJ - 23 May 2008 01:06 GMT >>>>>> I took this Nikon D70 shot in fairly bright light, but for some >>>>>> reason, the shot came out very dark looking. I had exp comp set to [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Whats PHOTOGRPAHY? Took you a while eh? :) Anyway, 'photogrpahy' is what I type whan I'm in a hirry and din't evwn hace my reading glasses on, bat at all other tymes it woulld be 'photography'.
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The One - 24 May 2008 18:46 GMT >>>>>>> I took this Nikon D70 shot in fairly bright light, but for some >>>>>>> reason, the shot came out very dark looking. I had exp comp set to [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > J You're a twat.
JJ - 26 May 2008 11:36 GMT >>>>>>>> I took this Nikon D70 shot in fairly bright light, but for some >>>>>>>> reason, the shot came out very dark looking. I had exp comp set to [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > You're a twat. Well you should know,eh? :) And just what makes a person so sad and pathetic as to have nothing better to do with their time than to annoy folks for no good reason and have nothing at all to say that in any way might be helpful to them? You are a loner and a loser, the saddest form of life there is...'no friends, no self esteem, no real reason to justify your existence, just a worthless, meaningless lonely life going nowhere. Go get a job mate. I doubt you could ever work with human beings though as you are obviously incapable of communicating at their level, and have a problem with socialising. Ever thought of suicide? Do the world a favour and go find a rope and get it over with, that would really help us all big time.
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krishnananda - 21 May 2008 00:22 GMT > > I took this Nikon D70 shot in fairly bright light, but for some reason, > > the shot came out very dark looking. I had exp comp set to zero and WB to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > > J It looks as though your camera's meter is being fooled by the overcast sky.
Center-weighted metering patterns vary in their "weighting" -- imagine a circle in the center of the frame surrounded by a fuzzy circle that falls off to the corners. The size of the inner circle governs most of what the meter measures, say 75% - 85%; the gradient around it governs the rest. Your other choices are spot (which covers a circle representing 2% of the image area), center-spot (which is a hybrid of center-weighted and spot), and evaluative or multi-segment or other terms (which divides the image into numerous areas and compares the pattern to several thousand stored image patterns to calculate the correct exposure).
None of these are foolproof, however, and a large very bright object such as the overcast sky usually results in the meter wanting to make that darker. There are custom functions in the D70 which change the size of the center area for both spot and center-weighted (way in the back of the manual) but it is better to learn to see what the meter sees. The easiest way to do this is to set the camera to auto-bracket + and - one stop (you may have to fire off three individual shots, I don't have a D70 to practice on) and then compare the results to what you thought the scene looked like.
It could be that your Canon was set for evaluative metering and since an overwhelmingly bright sky happens pretty often it compensated the exposure.
Popular Photography magazine used to publish 3-D graphs of meter sensitivity patterns along with their camera reviews. I just checked their site and couldn't find one for the D70.
One website I recommend to everyone, no matter their skill level, is <http://www.photo.net>. There is a wealth of information there to be had via their search engine, and the folks who populate the boards are very friendly and helpful.
Popular Photography <http://www.popphoto.com> used to be a fantastic resource -- I haven't read it in years -- and their website has a collection of camera reviews going back many years.
Hope this helps,
--k
JJ - 21 May 2008 01:17 GMT >> > I took this Nikon D70 shot in fairly bright light, but for some reason, >> > the shot came out very dark looking. I had exp comp set to zero and WB [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > --k Great advice and thanks for taking the time to reply to my post. I certainly will check out those websites as I can use all the help I can get.
Cheers. J
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