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Dudley Hanks - 18 May 2008 08:56 GMT
Handheld in a crowded museum, 6/10 second, no timer, not bad.

http://www.photography.dudley-hanks.com/Light-And-Sight/index.html

IS is good.
Tesseract - 18 May 2008 10:12 GMT
On May 18, 3:56 am, "Dudley Hanks" <photos.digi...@dudley-hanks.com>
wrote:
> Handheld in a crowded museum, 6/10 second, no timer, not bad.
>
> http://www.photography.dudley-hanks.com/Light-And-Sight/index.html
>
> IS is good.

Thats an Okay photo, if your going to be doing shots like that you
want to use your mirror lock up setting in your camera (for DSLR) and
fast glass, like f/1.2 or f/1.4 if you got it.

Here is a review on what I have for when I want to hand-hold in low
light...
http://www.hyperphotocube.com/2008/04/30/the-noct-nikkor-58mm-112-lens-review.html
Chris - 18 May 2008 14:33 GMT
>> Here is a review on what I have for when I want to hand-hold in low
>> light...
>> http://www.hyperphotocube.com/2008/04/30/the-noct-nikkor-58mm-112-lens-review.html

Good info!
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Dudley Hanks - 18 May 2008 16:44 GMT
On May 18, 3:56 am, "Dudley Hanks" <photos.digi...@dudley-hanks.com>
wrote:
> Handheld in a crowded museum, 6/10 second, no timer, not bad.
>
> http://www.photography.dudley-hanks.com/Light-And-Sight/index.html
>
> IS is good.

Thats an Okay photo, if your going to be doing shots like that you
want to use your mirror lock up setting in your camera (for DSLR) and
fast glass, like f/1.2 or f/1.4 if you got it.

Two things:

First, the Canon A720 is a point-and-shoot;  it doesn't have a mirror to
lock up.  But, I'll take it as a compliment that you seem to think I'm using
a DSLR.  Maybe it's not so daft to compare my little pocket camera to the D3
after all.

Second, I know all about fast glass, etc.  In fact, if you look at the EXXIF
data on the full-size shot on my site, you will see that I shot the pic at
ISO 100.  Moving the ISO up to 400, 800 or 1600 would have given me a faster
speed, but it would have made the shot noisier.  Also, I shot it at f/4, but
my camera is capable of about f/2.9 (if I remember correctly), but using
that aperture would have resulted in a shot with less clarity.  I tend to
shoot with the aperture bumped down 2 or three notches to get the best pic
my camera is capable of.

From my point of view, I know it isn't the best shot in the world, but it's
nearing the best that I can do with that particular camera -- handheld at 1
second?

Take Care,
Dudley
JT's Ghost - 18 May 2008 21:56 GMT
> From my point of view, I know it isn't the best shot in the world, but it's
> nearing the best that I can do with that particular camera -- handheld at 1
> second?

I didn't notice the exxif  data when I opened the the full frame. ;-(  I
considered three things, a) hand held image, b) P&S camera, c) taken by
a man with limited eyesight... I've concluded that you have more vision
than most with better eyesight, and that good photography skill trumps
high end optics. VERY NICE!!!

- JT
gives this effort a two thumbs up...

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Dudley Hanks - 19 May 2008 00:52 GMT
>> From my point of view, I know it isn't the best shot in the world, but
>> it's
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> - JT
> gives this effort a two thumbs up...

Perhaps I'm using the wrong term when I say "EXIF" data.  I'm a bit new to
the digital way of doing things,  so I might have screwed that up.

But, when I've got the image on my system, and I use Windows Explorer to do
file management, right clicking the file and choosing "Properties" brings up
a dialogue box from which I can access the data that records shutter speed,
aperture, camera make, model and mode, etc.

I didn't check to see if that info transferred to the net copy, but if it
didn't, I'll try to find a way to get it there.

Thanks for bringing that to my attention, and thank you for the compliment.
The respect of my peers means a lot to mee.

Take Care,
Dudley
George Kerby - 18 May 2008 17:19 GMT
On 5/18/08 4:12 AM, in article
668757c7-ac12-48a8-9417-78d1b98243eb@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com,

> On May 18, 3:56 am, "Dudley Hanks" <photos.digi...@dudley-hanks.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> http://www.hyperphotocube.com/2008/04/30/the-noct-nikkor-58mm-112-lens-review.
> html
I'm sure Dudley appreciates all your sage advice. However, if you read what
he wrote, you wouldn't have said anything about it. If you can find a mirror
lock on a PowerShot, please let all of us know where it is, OK?
philo - 18 May 2008 11:15 GMT
> Handheld in a crowded museum, 6/10 second, no timer, not bad.
>
> http://www.photography.dudley-hanks.com/Light-And-Sight/index.html
>
> IS is good.

Considering how fast those animals must have been running...
it's amazing how clear the shot was <G>
Dudley Hanks - 18 May 2008 16:46 GMT
>> Handheld in a crowded museum, 6/10 second, no timer, not bad.
>>
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> Considering how fast those animals must have been running...
> it's amazing how clear the shot was <G>

Yes, I had to pick my moment VERY carefully.

Grin,
Dudley
George Kerby - 18 May 2008 17:15 GMT
On 5/18/08 2:56 AM, in article _iRXj.2795$Yp.1108@edtnps92, "Dudley Hanks"
<photos.digital@dudley-hanks.com> wrote:

> Handheld in a crowded museum, 6/10 second, no timer, not bad.
>
> http://www.photography.dudley-hanks.com/Light-And-Sight/index.html
>
> IS is good.

I think that you may have a tiny amout of movement, but it makes the shot
work. The larger lizard in the back has teeth emphasized by the movement,
IMHO. In addition, the tilt adds drama to the composition. Good work!
Dudley Hanks - 18 May 2008 17:29 GMT
> On 5/18/08 2:56 AM, in article _iRXj.2795$Yp.1108@edtnps92, "Dudley Hanks"
> <photos.digital@dudley-hanks.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> work. The larger lizard in the back has teeth emphasized by the movement,
> IMHO. In addition, the tilt adds drama to the composition. Good work!

I knew there had to be some movement there.  Thanks, George, you're the
first one to notice it.

I want to go back to the museum later this summer when it won't be so busy
and try a few more shots.  There is some great subject matter there.

Take Care,
Dudley
jimkramer - 19 May 2008 13:06 GMT
> Handheld in a crowded museum, 6/10 second, no timer, not bad.
>
> http://www.photography.dudley-hanks.com/Light-And-Sight/index.html
>
> IS is good.

The frustrating thing about IS is when you move further than what the system
can compensate.  If you go to the full size image and look at the dinosaur’s
eyes; there are highlights that look like a greater than sign, “>”.  That’s
a correction when you moved further than the IS could handle.

It is almost always easier to deal with a little noise and remove it in post
processing then to deal with the motion blurring. Bump up the ISO a little.

-Jim
Dudley Hanks - 19 May 2008 16:51 GMT
>> Handheld in a crowded museum, 6/10 second, no timer, not bad.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> -Jim

Unfortunately, I can't read the info displayed in my LCD prior to shooting,
so the first shot I take at any particular shoot can be a bit surprising --  
especially when using Av mode.

In this case, My wife and I had spent about half an hour trying to get a
clear shot, and, when the shot was so slow, I thought, "the hell with it,"
and headed for the coffee shop.  I just wasn't in to fighting for every
shot.

But, you are right, Jim.  If I had taken more shots and gone for something I
wanted to frame, I would have bumped up the ISO to 200 or 400, and i might
have even tried a few at a wider aperture just for braketing purposes.
Something else I might have done is to dial down the exposure compensation
another notch or two, just to see if the dinos could have been made more
pronounced on a darker background, but from what people have told me of this
shot, I doubt that technique would have worked.

Of course, I also had planned to use a tripod if the crowds weren't too bad
later in the evening  --  but I forgot the tripod at home, and we didn't
stick around long enough for the masses to clear.

But, since this was more of a "fishing trip" to see what I could do with
that camera in that setting, I'm happy with the results.I'll probably head
back later this summer when the crowds thin out and see what happens.

BTW, thanks for telling me about the highlight in the eye.  I doubt I'll use
this shot for anything other than my blog, but if I do, I'll see if
something can be done to clean that up.

Take Care,
Dudley
jimkramer - 19 May 2008 17:15 GMT
>>> Handheld in a crowded museum, 6/10 second, no timer, not bad.
>>>
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> Take Care,
> Dudley

Hind sight is always 20/20, well, sometimes it's not. :-)  For the smaller
sized print the motion and the highlights are not really an issue,  now if
you wanted to do a 12 X 18 inch print then it would be an issue.

Most of the museums in this area will not even let you bring in a tripod.

Honestly, if you are having a great time, than who am I, or anyone else for
that matter, to say otherwise.  Keep having fun with that camera.

Have you seen a "pen reader" about the size of a large ball point pen that
will read or spell out printed text?  I was wondering if that would work on
the LCD screen?

-Jim
Dudley Hanks - 19 May 2008 17:41 GMT
> Have you seen a "pen reader" about the size of a large ball point pen that
> will read or spell out printed text?  I was wondering if that would work
> on the LCD screen?
>
> -Jim
No, I've tried a few magnifying glasses, but I haven't found anything that
is satisfactory, yet.  In full manual and Tv, I can count the beeps to
figure out what the settings are, but Av keeps surprising me.

If you happen to come across anything like a stilos sized reader, please,
let me know.  That would be a great tool.

BTW, when I mentioned the tripod in my previous post, I was talking about
one of those little tabletop things.  In this particular museum, there are
quite a few benches, chairs, etc that are provided for people who need a
rest.  They'd make a good platform to plop down a point-and-shoot for a
couple of seconds to get a shot.

Take Care,
Dudley
jimkramer - 19 May 2008 17:57 GMT
>> Have you seen a "pen reader" about the size of a large ball point pen
>> that will read or spell out printed text?  I was wondering if that would
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> Take Care,
> Dudley

This is what I believe I saw some time ago.
http://www.wizcomtech.com/Wizcom/products/product_info.asp?fid=172

I have no idea if it will work with an LCD screen, but if it does...

-Jim
Dudley Hanks - 19 May 2008 18:05 GMT
>>> Have you seen a "pen reader" about the size of a large ball point pen
>>> that will read or spell out printed text?  I was wondering if that would
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> -Jim

Hey, Jim, thanks, I'll check it out.  It could be just what I'm looking for.

Take Care,
Dudley
Tzortzakakis Dimitrios - 19 May 2008 16:42 GMT
> Handheld in a crowded museum, 6/10 second, no timer, not bad.
>
> http://www.photography.dudley-hanks.com/Light-And-Sight/index.html
>
> IS is good.

That's a very good photo, Dudley, well done!

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