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Photo Forum / General Photo Topics / General Topics / May 2008A720 challenges the D3?
That's right! I know this is one of those burning issues that people just can't make up their minds on. Which camera takes better pics, the Canon A720 or the Nikon D3? Or, is there yet an unidentified contender out there that can kick both of these apertures? Send submissions to photos.digital@dudley-hanks.com I'll post the entries, without EXIF data or any other hints on my site. Then, guests can vote on their favourite via e-mail ballot. What will be the deciding factor, the camera or the photog? Good Luck, Dudley > That's right! > > I know this is one of those burning issues that people just can't make up > their minds on. Which camera takes better pics, the Canon A720 or the Nikon > D3? <snip> Just drag your soul to some site like www.dpreview.com or www.steves-digicam.com (or something like that I forgot this dawn name again) and you should have your questioned answered. There won't be price for knowing the answer, and no spamming is needed <bg> >> That's right! >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > There won't be price for knowing the answer, and no spamming is needed > <bg> Price? What price? I don't charge anything... Spam? A photo contest is spam? What about the SI? Is that spam? > That's right! > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Good Luck, > Dudley That's a bit of a daft comparison, is it not? These cameras are very different beasts and each excels in it's own arena, but how the heck do you compare a great DSLR with an 'A' series Canon? Now if it were an 'S' series?? :-) J > That's a bit of a daft comparison, is it not? These cameras are very > different beasts and each excels in it's own arena, but how the heck do > you compare a great DSLR with an 'A' series Canon? Now if it were an 'S' > series?? :-) Photographers take pictures. Great photographers take great pictures. Some high priced cameras take not so great photographers.  SignaturePeter > > That's a bit of a daft comparison, is it not? These cameras are very > > different beasts and each excels in it's own arena, but how the heck do [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Great photographers take great pictures. > Some high priced cameras take not so great photographers. Me? - great photographers have more chance to take more great pictures - Great camera has more and better chance to capture great image >> > That's a bit of a daft comparison, is it not? These cameras are very >> > different beasts and each excels in it's own arena, but how the heck do [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > - Great camera has more and better chance to capture great image Not if it's sitting at home, or back in the trunk... Think of the master mechanic. He's got $20,000 worth of tools in a couple of rolling toolchests -- everything top quality. Maybe, he even works on Jags, Rolls, or something like that. Now, let's picture ourselves stranded on the side of the road, in the middle of nowwhere. Who would you rather pull up and offer you some help, the Master, or some high school kid who's just taken his first highschool course in automotives? Sure, the kid might get the job done. But, he might also short out that $1,200 cpu stuffed in your dash. For my money, I'd like the Master to work his magic -- even if he's just using the $20 emergency toolkit he's slipped under his front seat. Take Care, Dudley >> > That's a bit of a daft comparison, is it not? These cameras are very >> > different beasts and each excels in it's own arena, but how the heck do [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Me? Just a general statement. I have not seen your work. > - great photographers have more chance to take more great pictures Great photographers make more chances to take more great pictures. Some examples of finding shots in places that few would think are exotic. Last year I took one of her workshops and I learned quit a bit. http://www.alisonshaw.com/gallery.shtml > - Great camera has more and better chance to capture great image I know a young talented photographer who uses a D70 with the kit lens. Her work sells for between $50 for an 8x10 up to $750. She doesn't advertise or have a website, but folks buy her prints if they happen to see them. While these may not be Ansell Adams prices they are decent. SignaturePeter > >> > That's a bit of a daft comparison, is it not? These cameras are very > >> > different beasts and each excels in it's own arena, but how the heck do [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Just a general statement. I have not seen your work. I am not competing or againsting what you think, but just to give a general statement. > > - great photographers have more chance to take more great pictures > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Last year I took one of her workshops and I learned quit a bit. > http://www.alisonshaw.com/gallery.shtml I have gone through few links of the greatest photographers with cheapie camera, and to tell you the true I hate to look and give a negative feedback. > > - Great camera has more and better chance to capture great image > > I know a young talented photographer who uses a D70 with the kit lens. Her > work sells for between $50 for an 8x10 up to $750. She doesn't advertise or > have a website, but folks buy her prints if they happen to see them. While > these may not be Ansell Adams prices they are decent. The lens-kit has its limitation, but if you have good lighting condition and goot setting then you should be able to capture very sharp image. And if she is smart enough not to believe "great camera doesn't make great photographer" then I would be more impressed if she learns to take advantage of all the better available lens. IOW, even I haven't seen her works but I ain't impressed of the wrong lesson she read and learn from book. But I am glad to uses D70 instead of the $1.49 disposable camera > The lens-kit has its limitation, but if you have good lighting condition > and goot setting then you should be able to capture very sharp image. And [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > lesson she read and learn from book. But I am glad to uses D70 instead of > the $1.49 disposable camera Joel, It seems to me she learned the right lesson. She knows her equipment's limitations and works it. There is no doubt that a "better" lens would allow her to take pictures under a larger range of conditions. But what if when feels she can express her art just fine with what she has. I am currently thinking hard whether to get a full frame, primarily because I like to do wide angle work. Yet, I have not reached the limitations of my current box. SignaturePeter > > The lens-kit has its limitation, but if you have good lighting condition > > and goot setting then you should be able to capture very sharp image. And [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > under a larger range of conditions. But what if when feels she can express > her art just fine with what she has. As I have mentioned that the Lens-Kit has some limitation *but* with the right setting and condition it can capture very sharp image. About the art it is another story which requires more than a good lens to see and show the strong point of the art. > I am currently thinking hard whether to get a full frame, primarily because > I like to do wide angle work. Yet, I have not reached the limitations of my > current box. If you do lot of landscape then you can take advantage of lot of wide angle lens, but you will lose the ZOOM. And you can also go for 10-xx lens which will give you plenty of wide angle for landscape and wide angle style. I believe most if not all 10-20mm (for example) usually start with f3.5 or so, 15-55mm f2.8 is my widest lens which is wide enough for wedding. I do love natural but just can't be able to enjoy my landscape images. Part of the problem that I usually work on closeup and landscape doesn't have the small detail I enjoy, and quite often the photo usually don't turn out the way I want. Or there is no good landscape where I live (just few small lakes, no mountain, no valley .. very boring place) and even when I want to photograph a tree in local park (with small lake) I can't go to the other side, different angle etc.. Quite often I wish I could go back to the old day when I used to live in the war and beautiful landscape, countryside, jungle, ocean etc. which got me interested on photography. >> That's right! >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > you compare a great DSLR with an 'A' series Canon? Now if it were an 'S' > series?? :-) I have to admit, I wrote the above message with my tongue in cheek. I'm not crazy enough to say that the A720 is technically equivalent to the D3, or even close. Take a picture with each, and it wouldn't take an expert long to determine which picture came from which camera based on technical details. But, that is not the point of my challenge. What I am proposing is that people take pictures with whatever camera they choose and send it to: photos.digital@dudley-hanks.com Then, I will size all the pictures to a similar size with the same program and post them on the web, or on my site. People will look at them on their monitor and choose which they like the best. Much of the advantage of the more technically superior camera will be removed by the reduced size, so the photographer's skill will play a larger role in the challenge. This challenge will do more to highlight the point and shoot camera's versatility than it will to showcase sensor noise levels or colour rendition. The point and shoots will have the edge in capturing spontaneous images whenever and where ever they occur. The D3's and Mark III's will do better with DOF control and ISO range. But, the real crux of the competition, I hope, will be how creative the photographer will be. If I were a betting man, I'd bet that the winner will be a good photographer with a mediocre camera. Actually, the big buck shooters have the most to lose; if they shoot a shot with a $5,000++ box and get voted down? I don't even want to think about what it will do for the ego. Only the winner's name and camera make model will be revealed. All other entries will remain a secret. As long as people don't drop hints here in the group as to who took what picture, I think it would be very interesting to see what will happen. No mandate. People can shoot what they want. The only criteria for judging is which picture you like the best. My only request is that we keep the images to those which are suitable for viewing by all ages. I have kids using my system as well as adults. Actually, I do have one more request. I'd also like to know what image size folks think would be the best. If you have a preference, just post it here in the group, or e-mail it to the above address. What do you think? Is anyone up for it? This should be a fun thing. Don't take it too seriously. I hope you'll enter.Dudley Dudley > What I am proposing is that people take pictures with whatever camera they > choose and send it to: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and post them on the web, or on my site. People will look at them on > their monitor and choose which they like the best. This is OK if the viewer will only be judging on technical merit rather than artistic interpretation, composition and actual subject matter. However, judgement of technical merit can only be made if two pictures are displayed side by side taken of the same subject using the same techniques at the same time of day. Different circumstances will induce different results thus your idea is severely flawed. MC >> What I am proposing is that people take pictures with whatever camera >> they choose and send it to: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > This is OK if the viewer will only be judging on technical merit rather > than artistic interpretation, composition and actual subject matter. I think you have this backwards. It will do little to highlight technical merit; it will do more to highlight artistic talent / creativity... However, > judgement of technical merit can only be made if two pictures are > displayed side by side taken of the same subject using the same techniques > at the same time of day. Different circumstances will induce different > results thus your idea is severely flawed. > > MC You are missing the point. I am not proposing the contest as an actual technical comparison of any make or model camera. The subject line was simply to get people thinking. The contest is to illustrate that a good photographer can take a good picture with any camera, regardless of it's technical specifications. What I want is for people to send in a picture they like. Then, they will look at all the pictures that are submitted and choose the one they like the best -- regardless of why they like it the best. In many cases, people will choose the picture that they submitted themselves. But, in a lot of cases, if we are honest with ourselves, we will probably find one from someone else that we like better. Regardless, someone who hasn't submitted a picture will vote, so there will be more votes than pictures. The one with the most, even if it is only by one or two votes will get bragging rights. The contest is meant simply as an exercise to get people to do something creative with a camera, any camera, and then compare the results in a forum which does not favour the high tech cameras -- ie, a forum where the picture is judged in a smaller format; I'd say 800 x 600 tops. I want the quality of the pics to be determined more by the photographer than the camera. Now, what do you think? Would you like to try? I've got three or four entries already. I'd like to get about 15 or 20 to make it as much fun as possible. Anybody else want to participate? If you do, send your picture to: photos.digital@dudley-hanks.com Good Luck, Dudley >>> That's right! >>> [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > > Dudley Great idea, Dudley!!! All I think is that good photographers are able not only to see, but to feel the proper moment and light. All is in our mind and the camera is not the most important thing to take great pictures. I am in! :o) Greetings! Gergana -- "For in the dew of little things the heart finds its morning and is refreshed." (Kahlil Gibran) -- http://www.23hq.com/gergana > All I think is that good photographers are able not only to see, but to > feel the proper moment and light. All is in our mind and the camera is [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > -- > http://www.23hq.com/gergana Great! I'll look forward to posting your submission. Take Care, Dudley |
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