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Dudley Hanks - 14 Apr 2008 04:21 GMT Crop lines, that is...
http://www.geocities.com/hanks.dudley/Dima.html
Thanks, Dudley
Rob Morley - 14 Apr 2008 04:46 GMT > Crop lines, that is... > > http://www.geocities.com/hanks.dudley/Dima.html I'd take it in pretty close - lose most of the top half and nearly a quarter off each end. In visual terms that's about a tail's width to the left of her paws, right of her tail and above her ears. In numbers on the 574 x 431 original that's 141,194 to 452,431 Nice doggy.
Dudley Hanks - 14 Apr 2008 05:00 GMT >> Crop lines, that is... >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > on the 574 x 431 original that's 141,194 to 452,431 > Nice doggy. Thanks, Rob. I'll crop it like you suggested and post it as well. I'm hoping to get a few other suggestions and then ask for a vote on the various croppings.
As for the pic itself, is there anything else that needs attention? Too busy? Bad pose? Other?
Take Care, Dudley
Rob Morley - 14 Apr 2008 05:24 GMT > As for the pic itself, is there anything else that needs attention? Too > busy? Bad pose? Other? Great pose. A couple of bits of conifer around her ears are catching the light and are a bit distracting, but could easily be darkened.
Dudley Hanks - 14 Apr 2008 23:35 GMT >> As for the pic itself, is there anything else that needs attention? Too >> busy? Bad pose? Other? >> > Great pose. A couple of bits of conifer around her ears are catching > the light and are a bit distracting, but could easily be darkened. Thanks, Rob, I'll get my son to see if he can tone it down a bit. He's just learning how to use Photoshop, so he likes doing this kind of stuff. But, being a teenager, his attention span sometimes gets a bit short, so he doesn't always catch these things...
Take Care, Dudley
Ray Fischer - 14 Apr 2008 05:37 GMT >Crop lines, that is... > >http://www.geocities.com/hanks.dudley/Dima.html If you move the doggy away from the tree by a several feet then you can use a wide aperture to throw the tree out of focus and make it clear that the dog is the subject of the photo. I'd also get down lower to get rid of the ground.
But YMMV.
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Dudley Hanks - 15 Apr 2008 00:02 GMT >>Crop lines, that is... >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > can use a wide aperture to throw the tree out of focus and make it > clear that the dog is the subject of the photo. I'd also Not coming from a portrait photography background, this is one thing I keep forgetting. I think to myself, "I want trees for a backdrop," so I position myself with the branches scraping my neck and get Dima to hit the ground in front of me. Then I sneek in front of her and snap the shot. I've got to alter this methodology and take a couple of steps to ensure sufficient room gets inserted.
However, I'm shooting with a Canon Powershot A720, so depth-of-field is fairly deep, even at f/2.8; I'm not sure I'll be able to put enough distance in to get the effect I want. I may have to change locations entirely.
get down
> lower to get rid of the ground. I think I need to couple this suggestion with others I've received to crop tighter. Up till now, I've been simply content to get my subject in the frame, not too far away from my target zone.
I'm getting more used to the way my camera captures and processes an area, so I can start paying more attention to getting closer and cropping out extrenuous areas such as the grassy area in front. Thanks for pointing that one out.
I'm making a list of all the suggestions I receive, and I'll be reviewing it prior to each shoot in the future.
This should help a lot.
Take Care, Dudley
tony cooper - 14 Apr 2008 06:13 GMT >Crop lines, that is... > >http://www.geocities.com/hanks.dudley/Dima.html Kinda depends on what you are trying to present. Are you presenting an image of Dima, or presenting a composition with Dima in the image?
There's an interesting pyramid of the lighter fir (pun intended) behind Dima, but - in my opinion - it leads the eye away from the dog. It's like a big arrow directing the eye to go upwards.
If your intent is present an image of Dima, then I'd crop it horizontally lose the trees. Put Dima's tags on a vertical line about a third of the way from the left of image. http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f244/cooper213/dima.jpg
Overall, your composition is too balanced for my taste. Static.
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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Paul Furman - 14 Apr 2008 06:32 GMT >> Crop lines, that is... >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > a third of the way from the left of image. > http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f244/cooper213/dima.jpg Yep, I did something very similar. Still ample proportion of woods in the background. I cropped to remove all the white sky but it could work with some sky on one side. I also agree about cloning out the bright spots in the background near her ear.
Fantastic shot of obviously a great friend.
Dudley Hanks - 15 Apr 2008 23:45 GMT >>Crop lines, that is... >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida Thanks, Tony, I appreciate the feedback.
Concert photography was what I loved doing in the past, so action, drama energy were what I strove for. With my present current shift to more still life type shots, it's taking a bit of experimentation to achieve the effect I want. So, I am grateful you pointed out the overall static atmosphere.
As for my intention, I am not so much into doing a portrait of Dima; rather, I want a composition which tells a bit of her story. When we graduated, GDB brought in a pro shooter to do a grad portrait of the two of us, so I have a shot of her in harness by my side which looks very nice.
With my first guide, Bonner, he loved to lay around on the beach. When we were on holidays, when we frequented the beach areas of Vancouver, Canada, and the Sunshine Coast (a bit north of Vancouver), Bonner was in his glory just lazing around, lying on the sand and trying to dig holes (when I wasn't looking). So, I took a good shot of him in that setting, a very low-angle shot taken from just in front of a fore-paw, his head lifted, mouth open in a smile like expression and his eyes gazing out over the water. The shot was low enough that his head was surrounded by sky, and the light -- nearly white -- sand adding contrast to his darker fur.
When people think of guide dogs, they have this stereotypical view of guides which excludes the dog's real nature. What people miss is that guides have a life out of harness as well. I don't want just another shot of my guide, in harness, on the job, playing a supportive role. I want the shot to say something about my guide's soul.
In Dima's case, she loves the great outdoors. When we go camping, she relishes in chasing squirrles, birds and little things that hop, scurry or slither across the ground. She would run off into the trees and find a big stick and bring it back. Then, we would play tug with it, and she would chew it to pieces. She would wait for wasps, bees, dragon-flys and other flying insects to get close. Then, she would whip out her muzzle and snag them in mid-flight. She got stung a few times, but it never slowed her down. one time, when she was in harness and we were at a busy bus stop, waiting for a bus to take us home at the end of a busy day, she forgot herself and leaped about four feet into the air from a sitting position, snagging something that got too close. She snapped her jaws about 3 or four times in mid-air before she got it, but she got it. At least, that is what one of the totally shocked bystanders told me, after regaining her composure. I think they thought Dima was a rogue guide who was about to go for their throats -- sort of a Cujo in harness.
This is why I want something in the picture to symbolize the woods -- and her spirit.
While I didn't plan the big arrow pointing to the sky, I like what it stands for, and I want to thank you for pointing that compositional element out as well. I have been thinking about doing a reshoot in a different area to see what I get, but the composition you describe almost sounds poetic, definitely prophetic.
Today, Dima is having a bit of an off day. I have been getting used to her nearly back to normal demeanor, but she was a bit quieter and calmer today than she usually is. I wouldn't say she has been lethargic, but definitely more subdued.
I'll need to monitor her closely tonight, I think.
Thanks for the suggestions, Tony.
Take Care, Dudley
Alienjones - 14 Apr 2008 07:13 GMT | Crop lines, that is... | | http://www.geocities.com/hanks.dudley/Dima.html | | Thanks, | Dudley Shepard dogs are a compelling image alone, with no distractions. I think a very tight crop of the dog's face, ears and possibly chest with all (any) background left in a a focus zone so blurred that nothing is distinguishable.
Portrait orientation and it would portray (as portraits are supposed to do) the object of attention and not the distraction of a background that can be recognized. If you use a flash pointed vertically with a "Specular highlight" card on it, you will also add some life to the dog's eyes, not normally available under daylight conditions.
Some of my portraits may help reinforce my suggestions: http://www.douglasjames.com.au/portfolio/Portraits/
Take note of the copyright covering my images if you intend to take any of them without asking first ...and simply don't!
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Dudley Hanks - 14 Apr 2008 08:34 GMT > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > (any) background left in a a focus zone so blurred that nothing is > distinguishable. But, Dima isn't a typical shepherd; she is a guide dog, and she is dying of cancer. She has devoted her life to guiding me through a crazy world that cares little about the safety or convenience of blind persons, and she has done it gracefully, eagerly, and vivaciously. To capture her as a closely cropped shepehrd where her teeth would probably be the most noticeable characteristic, would convey the wrong image.
Her doamain was the world, and she occupied a unique position halfway between the animal kingdom and the realm of human affairs. I want her picture to be a tribute, not just a portrait.
> Portrait orientation and it would portray (as portraits are supposed to > do) the object of attention and not the distraction of a background that > can be recognized. If you use a flash pointed vertically with a > "Specular highlight" card on it, you will also add some life to the > dog's eyes, not normally available under daylight conditions. I used two flashes for this shot, perhaps the image reduction obviates the twinkle in her eye, but I'm sure it will be visible in the final print, if I decide to mount this one on my wall.
> Some of my portraits may help reinforce my suggestions: > http://www.douglasjames.com.au/portfolio/Portraits/ Unfortunately, I have enough trouble viewing my own images where I know what I've shot; viewing someone elses work, where I have no idea of what is in the frame, is all but impossible for me. But, thanks, anyway.
> Take note of the copyright covering my images if you intend to take any > of them without asking first ...and simply don't! Now, Douglas, is that really called for? Isn't the copyright notice on your site sufficient protection on its own?
Besides, I don't at present derive any photographically generated income, and, if I did, only images I have shot myself would be worth anything, either to me or my customers. Moreover, given that I have only about 2% vision, wouldn't it be a bit obvious I've stolen someone else's work if I were to present a technically perfect photograph as part of my collection?
Take Care, Dudley
me@mine.net - 14 Apr 2008 10:44 GMT >I want her >picture to be a tribute, not just a portrait. You might also consider a situation which triggers remembrance of your many times together.
Alienjones - 14 Apr 2008 11:46 GMT | Now, Douglas, is that really called for? Isn't the copyright notice on your | site sufficient protection on its own? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] | Take Care, | Dudley Apparently Dudley People like some of those who offered you advise have no regard for the copyright or other people. One such person is Paul Furman who pretended to offer you advise on composition of your picture.
He took some of my images, without my permission, illegally altered them without my consent and attempted to discredit my findings of an example of two different cameras, with thousands of dollars price difference not producing all that different a quality image with the altered images.
Despite legal action being commenced today against his host, he figured he'd leave the evidence in place with just the index image removed. So yes... Reminding people reading this thread that my images are copyright and that I will pursue my intellectual property rights in protecting myself against such idiots is very timely.
I don't for a single moment suggest you are in the same gutter as he is. The warning was timely for the other idiots inhabiting these photo groups who think nothing is illegal on Usenet. - --
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Dudley Hanks - 14 Apr 2008 19:44 GMT > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > =81+5 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Well, Douglas, I'm not sure how many times you "have commenced legal action today" against Paul, but I'm getting a bit tired of hearing that phrase.
I've followed that thread, and I'm rather disappointed you are trying to use my thread to dredge it up again.
If you decide to post articles expressing your views / opinions / findings on the internet, then you might want to be aware that not everyone will agree with you. Some people might even want to disprove your findings if they hold alternative opinions. It's the way the world works.
If you wish to launch legal action against Paul and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to soothe your ego, fine, it's up to you. But, be a man about it and leave it up to your lawyers.
Take Care, Dudley
Dudley Hanks - 14 Apr 2008 22:58 GMT > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > He took some of my images, without my permission, Fair Dealing...
illegally altered them
Analyzed them...
> without my consent and attempted to discredit my findings of an example > of two different cameras, with thousands of dollars price difference not > producing all that different a quality image with the altered images. He had the audacity to disagree with you...
> Despite legal action being commenced today against his host, he figured Again? Shouldn't you wait for the last legal action you launched against his ISP to wrap up?
> he'd leave the evidence in place with just the index image removed. So > yes... Reminding people reading this thread that my images are copyright > and that I will pursue my intellectual property rights in protecting > myself against such idiots is very timely. A complete waste of time and bandwidth?
> I don't for a single moment suggest you are in the same gutter as he is. No, my gutter is much colder...
> The warning was timely for the other idiots inhabiting these photo > groups who think nothing is illegal on Usenet. Sorry, couldn't think of anything humourous to end on...
Take Care, Dudley
Alienjones - 15 Apr 2008 04:03 GMT |> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- |> Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] | Take Care, | Dudley You're doing pretty well for a blind person if you can't see my portraits but you can see Furman's plagiarism of my photos.
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Dudley Hanks - 15 Apr 2008 07:01 GMT > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > =dXCQ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- I haven't seen the actual images, but I've followed the threads. The images don't matter, only legal principles...
Take Care, Dudley
Dudley Hanks - 15 Apr 2008 07:17 GMT > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > =dXCQ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- My condition (retinitis pigmentosa) has been documented by the genetics department of the University of Alberta since I was 14 years old. The physical deterioration of both the blood vessels in my eye and my retina can be observed by any optomatrist. I am a member of the Canadian National Institute for the Blind, an institute which requires medical verification of blindness prior to registration. I am a certified guide dog handler, acreddited by Guide Dogs for the Blind Inc with head offices in San Rafael, California -- also an institute which requires medical verification of blindness prior to accepting a candidate for training. I received my first guide dog from that organization 15 years ago.
Very thorough documentation of my condition can (and will) be provided upon request (COD).
Take Care, Dudley
Peter - 19 Apr 2008 01:33 GMT > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > The warning was timely for the other idiots inhabiting these photo > groups who think nothing is illegal on Usenet. I took your comment exactly as you stated above. Using another persons work without their permission is no different than stealing. Unfortunately, your reminder is necessary. Besides, my intellectual property lawyer friends keep reminding me that if you don't take vigorous steps to enforce your rights you may very well lose them>
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Paul Furman - 20 Apr 2008 01:28 GMT Peter, I think you must not understand the situation.
Frank ess - 14 Apr 2008 17:47 GMT >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>> Thanks, >>> Dudley [ ... ]
My quick selections are at: http://www.fototime.com/inv/E680732CA59D9AD
The portrait-style seems nice, but trite; the "Tribute" includes some background that may be distracting to some; the only thing that really bothered me was the dark object behind the dog's right ear. I did a little non-meticulous cloning there; a better, more fastidious craftsman might make it even better.
I didn't mind the tree pointing up and away from the dog. I see it as a not-so-subtle metaphor, something of a consoling apparition regarding the dog's and your circumstances.
I hope you incorporate your dog's goodness into your inner landscape; she'll comfort you in your grief.
Resp'y,
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tony cooper - 14 Apr 2008 20:28 GMT >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >a not-so-subtle metaphor, something of a consoling apparition >regarding the dog's and your circumstances. This observation is why I posted my earlier comment about what Dudley is trying to do; provide an image of his dog, or provide a composition that includes an image of the dog. If you view it from the "composition that includes an image of the dog", then the symbolic arrow - formed by the trees - pointing to the heavens over a dog that is terminally ill becomes a vital part of the composition. If it's intended as an image of his dog, then I feel the trees become a distraction.
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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Frank ess - 14 Apr 2008 21:22 GMT >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > composition. If it's intended as an image of his dog, then I feel > the trees become a distraction. I guess you must have thought I didn't understand. That explains why you posted this comment.
Done and done.
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tony cooper - 15 Apr 2008 04:10 GMT >>> I didn't mind the tree pointing up and away from the dog. I see it >>> as a not-so-subtle metaphor, something of a consoling apparition [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Done and done. No, I really didn't give any thought to whether or not you understood. If anything, I assumed you did. We're just voicing some parallel thoughts along with some differences in reaction to the image. Nuffin wrong with that.
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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Roy Jose Lorr - 15 Apr 2008 19:55 GMT > Crop lines, that is... > > http://www.geocities.com/hanks.dudley/Dima.html Nice spruce growing from dog's head.
PinkFloyd43 - 26 Apr 2008 13:44 GMT > Crop lines, that is... > > http://www.geocities.com/hanks.dudley/Dima.html > > Thanks, > Dudley Is the subject the dog or the tree, you want the subject to be what everyone looks at within the photo, also don't center stuff, personal thing that although sometimes works most of the time does not!
George Kerby - 26 Apr 2008 19:30 GMT On 4/26/08 7:44 AM, in article msFQj.266$lc6.180@trnddc04, "PinkFloyd43" <pinkFloyd43@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Crop lines, that is... >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > that although sometimes works most of the time > does not! The above "sentence" was posted by a typical product of United States Public Education System. Thank your local politicians for this phenomena.
Ray Fischer - 26 Apr 2008 20:00 GMT >The above "sentence" was posted by a typical product of United States Public >Education System. Thank your local politicians for this phenomena. The above was posted by a typical result of listening to too much right-wing bullshit.
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George Kerby - 26 Apr 2008 20:25 GMT On 4/26/08 2:00 PM, in article 48137be1$0$34489$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net,
>> The above "sentence" was posted by a typical product of United States Public >> Education System. Thank your local politicians for this phenomena. > > The above was posted by a typical result of listening to too much > right-wing bullshit. Because the moron is too damn lazy to construct a sentence correctly, doesn't care or just is unable to do so has something to do with "right-wing bullshit"? Fish-head, your head is up your anal gland. Come up for water.
tony cooper - 26 Apr 2008 21:02 GMT >On 4/26/08 2:00 PM, in article 48137be1$0$34489$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> The above was posted by a typical result of listening to too much >> right-wing bullshit.
>Because the moron is too damn lazy to construct a sentence correctly, >doesn't care or just is unable to do so has something to do with "right-wing >bullshit"? Uhhh, George. "Public Education System" should not be capped. "Phenomena" is plural and takes the plural "these" or "this" takes the singular "phenomenon". The last sentence has a comma splice and is missing some word or phrase to make sense.
The post is hardly a poster child for the US public school system.
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Frank ess - 26 Apr 2008 21:31 GMT >> On 4/26/08 2:00 PM, in article >> 48137be1$0$34489$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net, "Ray Fischer" [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > The post is hardly a poster child for the US public school system. I'll take this opportunity to express my disdain and disgust, and to establish superiority, innit?
Thank you.
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Blinky the Shark - 26 Apr 2008 20:06 GMT > On 4/26/08 7:44 AM, in article msFQj.266$lc6.180@trnddc04, "PinkFloyd43" > <pinkFloyd43@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > The above "sentence" was posted by a typical product of United States > Public Education System. Thank your local politicians for this phenomena. Phenomenon.
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George Kerby - 26 Apr 2008 20:26 GMT On 4/26/08 2:06 PM, in article pan.2008.04.26.19.06.49.894992@thurston.blinkynet.net, "Blinky the Shark" <no.spam@box.invalid> wrote:
>> On 4/26/08 7:44 AM, in article msFQj.266$lc6.180@trnddc04, "PinkFloyd43" >> <pinkFloyd43@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Phenomenon. No, 'fraid not, Blinky. There are *many* of these illiterate morons.
I mean, just take Fischer, for an example...
Blinky the Shark - 26 Apr 2008 22:44 GMT > On 4/26/08 2:06 PM, in article > pan.2008.04.26.19.06.49.894992@thurston.blinkynet.net, "Blinky the Shark" [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> Phenomenon. > No, 'fraid not, Blinky. There are *many* of these illiterate morons. Then "these phenomena". Like these dogs versus this dog. Number.
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Peter - 27 Apr 2008 01:34 GMT > also don't center stuff, personal thing > that although sometimes works most of the time > does not! Getting back to photography, Like many rules, that one can and should be broken, judiciously.
I think the "rule" against centering is really designed to say a centered composition may result in a static composition. However, some images look far more dynamic when centered. think spiral.
Similarly, the "rule" of thirds is merely a compositional aid, not necessarily one to be slavishly followed.
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Dudley Hanks - 27 Apr 2008 04:44 GMT >> also don't center stuff, personal thing >> that although sometimes works most of the time [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Similarly, the "rule" of thirds is merely a compositional aid, not > necessarily one to be slavishly followed. Hey, Peter, I agree with you completely. I've never been one to follow rules blindly. The reason why most of those portraits out there are centered is because they look good centered.
I try to get a good overall mix in my pictures, some centered, some not centered, and some even layed out a bit weirdly. Sometimes I do it accidentally, some times on purpose. In the end, each shot needs to be judged on a mixture of its overall effect and technical merits.
At present, I'm just happy when I can take a picture that has most of the elements I'm looking for arranged somewhat pleasantly in the image.
Take Care, Dudley
Peter - 27 Apr 2008 12:19 GMT > I've never been one to follow rules blindly. Didn't think you had a choice.
Dudley, I couldn't resist a pun like that.
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Dudley Hanks - 27 Apr 2008 20:14 GMT >> I've never been one to follow rules blindly. > > Didn't think you had a choice. > > Dudley, I couldn't resist a pun like that. Chuckle... I thought I'd put it out there and see if anyone picked up on it.
Take Care, Dudley
Peter - 27 Apr 2008 21:21 GMT >>> I've never been one to follow rules blindly. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Take Care, > Dudley I once tried to make ten people smile by telling them ten different puns. But, no pun in ten did
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Dudley Hanks - 27 Apr 2008 05:05 GMT >> Crop lines, that is... >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > that although sometimes works most of the time > does not! When you shoot a picture with only 2% of normal vision, you are just happy to get the subject in the shot. Trust me, I've had many images much worse than this one.
Besides, with programs like photoshop out there, a lot can be done with an image like this.
One of the photographers who frequents this group asked me if he could use the original to play with, and he sent me a niceley cropped portrait he coaxed out of about a third of the image. He up-sized it, sharpened it up a bit, did a bit of other magic, and I've got a beautiful portrait to hang on my wall. He truly did a masterful job.
I'm hoping he won't mind if I post his finished work, but I don't want to do it without his permission.
On the flip side, if I post the cropping, I'll have to apologize to Douglas, Paul and a couple others who told me the shot would look better tightly cropped, but to whom I wouldn't listen. I had wanted the trees in as a symbol of Dima's love of the outdoors, but, when my wife saw the Photoshopped, tightly cropped portrait oriented shot of Dima, she fell in love with it. I trust her taste, so, when she says it will match the shot I have of my first guide, Bonner on the beach, I'll have to bow to the overwhelming tide of opinion.
Take Care, Dudley
Jeff - 05 May 2008 17:57 GMT > Crop lines, that is... > > http://www.geocities.com/hanks.dudley/Dima.html > > Thanks, > Dudley Wow, lots of comments.
Let's go over a few almost universal rules though.
The eye is drawn to bright ares. On this image you have white areas on the edges of the image that take you out of the picture. Any cropping you do should get rid of these.
Generally with a live "action" subject you should give it some room to move. I'm not sure what I would do here. Get a couple sheets of white paper and crop out the image with these and see what you think. Try all possibilities.
The background is distracting. Do what others have already suggested. Or open up your editor and mask off the background and do something with it. Blur it, lower the contrast, darken it, something. Once you have a mask you can try everything.
You have areas in the dog that are blown out and have lost detail. Perhaps a third of a stop less exposure might have kept them. You may wish to clone in a bit of fur. In general, you should not have blown out highlights (along edges is often OK) . You can always adjust the picture in your editor to bring the image back where you want it. Caveats apply.
Get rid of the red eye. Desaturate this in your editor and perhaps add a catch light. Eyes are very important.
What you really need to do is shoot more pictures. This is not a strong image. You have a digital camera and no film cost. Take lots and lots of images, try it with the dog moving. Try it in different places. Then open up a slideshow and look at all of them and see what you like.
Jeff
Dudley Hanks - 06 May 2008 05:47 GMT > You have areas in the dog that are blown out and have lost detail. > Perhaps a third of a stop less exposure might have kept them. As an all but blind photographer, this is the most useful piece of advice \i can extract from your comments. It tells me that the camera slightly over-metered the lighting setup I used. Given a similar setup in the future, I'll set my exposure compensation to under-expose by 2/3 stop -- I used -1/3 stop for the pic.
That bit of info is quite valuable to me.
To all of Dimaa's fans out there, I regretfully write that she passed away on Saturday. She held her head high till the end.\\Thanks for all your support.
Take Care, Dudley\
Frank ess - 06 May 2008 06:16 GMT >> You have areas in the dog that are blown out and have lost >> detail. Perhaps a third of a stop less exposure might have kept [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Take Care, > Dudley\ I'm sorry for your loss. Dima will live on in my memory.
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Paul Furman - 06 May 2008 06:17 GMT >> You have areas in the dog that are blown out and have lost detail. >> Perhaps a third of a stop less exposure might have kept them. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > on Saturday. She held her head high till the end.\\Thanks for all your > support. Looks like she had a good life.
> Take Care, > Dudley\
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Dudley Hanks - 06 May 2008 06:55 GMT >>> You have areas in the dog that are blown out and have lost detail. >>> Perhaps a third of a stop less exposure might have kept them. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Looks like she had a good life. Yes, she really was an incredible dog.
I'm setting up a new web site, and there will be a tribute to Dima on it, including the picture Vance did the post processing on.
The eerie part is that, as we were taking Dima to the emergency clinic, Norman Greenbaum provided the most appropriate soun-track imaginable via FM radio -- his timeless classic "Spirit in the Sky." Probably the most surreal experience I've ever had.
Take care, Paul, maybe I'll get to do coffee with you and Vance if I end up in San Francisco for my next guide.Dudley
Vance - 06 May 2008 21:28 GMT > >>> You have areas in the dog that are blown out and have lost detail. > >>> Perhaps a third of a stop less exposure might have kept them. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Dima's passing was inevitable, but I feel your loss for a friend that played such a special role. If you do get to San Francisco for your next guide, I would love to sit down with you and Paul and have a cup of coffee to Dima's memory.
Regards, Vance
Jeff - 06 May 2008 11:39 GMT >> You have areas in the dog that are blown out and have lost detail. >> Perhaps a third of a stop less exposure might have kept them. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > That bit of info is quite valuable to me. It's not a hard fast rule, but generally you want to keep detail in the highlights.
Most cameras have histograms, and you can see if the highlights are chopped off. Even easier, many will show clipped highlights by flashing on and off the area that is being clipped.
There's a lot of different ways that a camera can meter exposure, but checking the exposure for clipping is ultimately what you want.
With all that said, don't worry so much about technical issues. An imperfect image that makes an emotional connection is always better than a technically perfect image that does not. Shoot the way you see and feel things. Shoot with the intent of showing people your life. There's a lot of beautiful and technically correct images, there's very few images that "tell a story".
You are not the same as most other photographers, you do not have to shoot the same way. Think outside the box. Think of images that please yourself.
> To all of Dimaa's fans out there, I regretfully write that she passed away > on Saturday. She held her head high till the end.\\Thanks for all your > support. I'm sorry to hear about this loss. I buried a favorite cat about the same time. As much as I miss "Spot", I could not have had the connection that you had with Dimaa.
Jeff
> Take Care, > Dudley\ Rita Berkowitz - 06 May 2008 11:56 GMT > To all of Dimaa's fans out there, I regretfully write that she passed > away on Saturday. She held her head high till the end.\\Thanks for > all your support. My condolences. I'm glad you guys had a great life together and that she was so lucky to have someone love her as much as you. Best wishes.
Rita
George Kerby - 06 May 2008 14:46 GMT On 5/5/08 11:47 PM, in article apRTj.770$Yp.618@edtnps92, "Dudley Hanks" <hanks.dudley@gmail.com> wrote:
> To all of Dimaa's fans out there, I regretfully write that she passed away > on Saturday. She held her head high till the end.\\Thanks for all your > support. > > Take Care, > Dudley\ So sorry to hear that news.
I am sure that she was surrounded with love from you and your family. The coming days will be rough on you, but the fond memories of Dima will keep you strong.
Best wishes, Dudley.
Peter - 06 May 2008 23:26 GMT >> You have areas in the dog that are blown out and have lost detail. >> Perhaps a third of a stop less exposure might have kept them. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > on Saturday. She held her head high till the end.\\Thanks for all your > support. Even a simple pet becomes like family. She was more than your friend and family. I wish you well in your sad time.
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Tzortzakakis Dimitrios - 12 May 2008 15:27 GMT >> You have areas in the dog that are blown out and have lost detail. >> Perhaps a third of a stop less exposure might have kept them. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > on Saturday. She held her head high till the end.\\Thanks for all your > support. I'm very sorry about that, Dudley. I'm posting right now a nice photo of my godmother's new puppy, Liza. (www.esnips.com/web/dimtzortzsPhotos) I don't have a pet right now, though.
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