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Savant - 05 Mar 2008 15:42 GMT
Do any of you still shoot film?  Does anybody miss it?

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Ken Hart - 05 Mar 2008 20:02 GMT
> Do any of you still shoot film?  Does anybody miss it?
>
> http://www.brucekersten.com
>
> <a href="http://www.brucekersten.com">Long Island Photographer - Bruce
> Kersten Photography</a>

It's not real photography unless it involves handling toxic chemicals in
total darkness.
They can take any my film when they can get the developer stains off my cold
dead fingernails,
Dudley Hanks - 05 Mar 2008 20:36 GMT
>> Do any of you still shoot film?  Does anybody miss it?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> They can take any my film when they can get the developer stains off my
> cold dead fingernails,

I love that quote, Ken.

Smile,
Dudley
natron15 - 12 Mar 2008 17:26 GMT
>>> Do any of you still shoot film?  Does anybody miss it?
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Smile,
> Dudley

Digital is ok, I guess, but that means I can't use my 1000 mm telephoto or  
a fisheye...and besides, I can't see that damn tiny dim LCD screen in the  
sunlight, even if I do remember to bring spectacles!  ...so I shoot film  
(mostly short date stuff out of the freezer) and when I'm done with a  
roll, it's off to Walmart (develop only, CD only) for USD$4 or so...a half  
hour later, I can take the pictures home and plug them into the computer  
and abuse them at will...works for me...

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Joel - 12 Mar 2008 17:54 GMT
<snip>
> Digital is ok, I guess, but that means I can't use my 1000 mm telephoto or  
> a fisheye...and besides, I can't see that damn tiny dim LCD screen in the  
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> hour later, I can take the pictures home and plug them into the computer  
> and abuse them at will...works for me...

    Something doesn't sound very right (or very wrong) here.

1. Yes, you still can use your 1000mm (I hope it's a good 1000mm lens else
may not worth the weight) if you go with the same camera system with same
lens mount

2. Same with your 1000mm lens nothing can stop you from using your fisheye
len.  Matter fact, if your 1000mm is worth 6-10+ grands then you can always
sell it to get a brand new set of lens.

3. And no, you do not have to look at the LCD screen, I have been using
digital camera for over a decade but I don't stare at LCD screen.  And you
can see many professionals (like reporters) on TV they don't have the eyes
glued to LCD screen either.

    And your biggest problem may not be LCD screen and similar, but it could
be the post processing knowledge which is one of the biggest reasons why
many old goats have to stick with film because it's way too much for them to
learn.
Peter - 12 Mar 2008 17:57 GMT
Digital is ok, I guess, but that means I can't use my 1000 mm telephoto or
a fisheye...and besides, I can't see that damn tiny dim LCD screen in the
sunlight, even if I do remember to bring spectacles!  ...so I shoot film
(mostly short date stuff out of the freezer) and when I'm done with a
roll, it's off to Walmart (develop only, CD only) for USD$4 or so...a half
hour later, I can take the pictures home and plug them into the computer
and abuse them at will...works for me...

If it makes you happy, end of discussion.
I do wonder though if you are comparing a P&SO digital to an SLR.

I was happy using film for many years. One day I got a P&S, Nikon 8800. It
took me about two months to become frustrated with its limitations and I
went back to film. Then I got a decent DSLR, Nikon D200 and have never
looked  back.
The 8800 is sitting in my closet. I am thinking about converting it to
infrared, unless I get a good offer.

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savantcreative - 12 Mar 2008 18:11 GMT
>Digital is ok, I guess, but that means I can't use my 1000 mm telephoto or
>a fisheye...and besides, I can't see that damn tiny dim LCD screen in the
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>The 8800 is sitting in my closet. I am thinking about converting it to
>infrared, unless I get a good offer.

I don't know.  I shot commercially from 1977-2002 with film.  In 2002 I felt
that the technology finally had arrived.  I went digital, sold my film
processors, view cameras...and never looked back.

http://www.brucekersten.com
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Sinner - 12 Mar 2008 18:22 GMT
> Digital is ok, I guess, but that means I can't use my 1000 mm telephoto or
> a fisheye...and besides, I can't see that damn tiny dim LCD screen in the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> If it makes you happy, end of discussion.
> I do wonder though if you are comparing a P&SO digital to an SLR.

Film also had its P&S following, and some of them were SLR's.  Just not
interchangeable lens SLR's.
Dudley Hanks - 05 Mar 2008 20:02 GMT
> Do any of you still shoot film?  Does anybody miss it?
>
> http://www.brucekersten.com
>
> <a href="http://www.brucekersten.com">Long Island Photographer - Bruce
> Kersten Photography</a>

Every now and then I pull out the old film cameras and darkroom equipment to
have a blast.

Since I dabble in both digital and film, I can't say I miss it.  But, I wish
film supplies were cheaper...

Take Care,
Dudley
BILL - 06 Mar 2008 10:28 GMT
>> Do any of you still shoot film?  Does anybody miss it?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Take Care,
> Dudley

I too have given up a wet, toxic, smelly, messy,darkroom, and now do all my
darkroom stuff
sitting in a chair at a computer.
Although I still use a camera with a positive film in it now and then, and
scan the slides.
Bill
Peter - 09 Mar 2008 21:51 GMT
>>> Do any of you still shoot film?  Does anybody miss it?
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> scan the slides.
> Bill

After I got my D200 I haven't looked back. so please tell me why I have an
F3, FM, Yaashicamat, Rollei, Nikkormat and Bronica, etc, lying in a dark
corner of my closet, probably never to be used.

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Peter
Yeah I know about EBay and the darkroom got sold.

Chris H - 06 Mar 2008 10:55 GMT
In message
<cafa0741-a988-421a-bfb1-2abc347f9094@34g2000hsz.googlegroups.com>,
Savant <2bu@verizon.net> writes
>Do any of you still shoot film?  Does anybody miss it?

No and no.

I never had a dark room because i did not have time, or space and moved
to often.   So developing cost time and money and I had to rely on some
one else to develop.

Now I can carry ALL the kit in one bag. Camera, lenses, flash etc and
laptop.

I can take the pictures and "develop" them with the equivalent of "full
dark room facility's" over a coffee in a cafe or on a train or... almost
anywhere. Though some places are more suitable than others.

Also the film and developing kit costs a LOT less. (I needed a lap top
anyway)  So cost is

Memory cards V film
RAW processor and photo shop   V darkroom, equipment, chemicals

On a cost equation Digital wins
On convenience digital wins... You only need a laptop not a room +
chemical equipment

Using DXO RAW convertor I can simulate the colours and grain of many
films.

Also I can send digital prints anywhere.  "Instantly"

So for me going digital has greatly expanded what I can do with
photography.

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savantcreative - 09 Mar 2008 22:15 GMT
>In message
><cafa0741-a988-421a-bfb1-2abc347f9094@34g2000hsz.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>So for me going digital has greatly expanded what I can do with
>photography.

I have never heard of DXO Raw Covertor.  Where did you get it? I miss film
grain.

Thanks

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Celcius - 06 Mar 2008 14:17 GMT
> Do any of you still shoot film?  Does anybody miss it?
>
> http://www.brucekersten.com
>
> <a href="http://www.brucekersten.com">Long Island Photographer - Bruce
> Kersten Photography</a>

Hi Savant!
"The good ole days" are for "as beens" ;-))))
Then, you put a nice suit on to go to the bank and pay your bills NOW, you
do your banking on Internet.
Then, you took your caroussel with you to bore people with your photogs,
NOW, you use your USB key
Then, you took photos and annoted the number with f stop, etc and waited to
get it developed to get the results, NOW you look into your LCD... ad
nauseam
I don't regret the past. Regret is not part of my vocabulary.
What is done is done.
The past is dust.
I live my life NOW and always have.
Don't you think so?
Marcel
NB Please.... don't throw rotten tomatoes and rotten eggs at me!!!! ;-)
savantcreative - 06 Mar 2008 16:23 GMT
>> Do any of you still shoot film?  Does anybody miss it?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>Marcel
>NB Please.... don't throw rotten tomatoes and rotten eggs at me!!!! ;-)

I wouldn't do that you make many true yet slightly sad points here.
Best regards
Garry Douglas - 07 Mar 2008 07:53 GMT
> Then, you took your caroussel with you to bore people with your photogs,
> NOW, you use your USB key

I think you've just discovered what the B in USB stands for :-)
Celcius - 07 Mar 2008 12:57 GMT
>> Then, you took your caroussel with you to bore people with your photogs,
>> NOW, you use your USB key
>
> I think you've just discovered what the B in USB stands for :-)

BG!!!!!
Sinner - 09 Mar 2008 02:40 GMT
I don't shoot film anymore, it's just too expensive and time consuming.   Of
course, there's no thrill like watching a photo you took, developing under
the red-orange glow of a darkroom light.  Ah, I do love the smell of
stopbath in the morning.

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consider a capacity for it terrifying and absolutely vile!" - Kurt Vonnegut

> Do any of you still shoot film?  Does anybody miss it?
>
> http://www.brucekersten.com
>
> <a href="http://www.brucekersten.com">Long Island Photographer - Bruce
> Kersten Photography</a>
Celcius - 09 Mar 2008 13:21 GMT
>I don't shoot film anymore, it's just too expensive and time consuming.
>Of course, there's no thrill like watching a photo you took, developing
>under the red-orange glow of a darkroom light.  Ah, I do love the smell of
>stopbath in the morning.

Say sinner,

Here's an idea: I can see a new after shave or maybe a mouthwash called
STOPBATH!
The bottle would have an orange glow ...
Have a great day.
Marcel
savantcreative - 09 Mar 2008 13:55 GMT
>>I don't shoot film anymore, it's just too expensive and time consuming.
>>Of course, there's no thrill like watching a photo you took, developing
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>Have a great day.
>Marcel
I always though fix tasted better.
Best

http://www.brucekersten.com
http://www.savantcreative.com
Ken Hart - 09 Mar 2008 14:26 GMT
>>I don't shoot film anymore, it's just too expensive and time consuming. Of
>>course, there's no thrill like watching a photo you took, developing under
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Have a great day.
> Marcel

Last week I had to clean the coffee maker. I didn't have any vinegar handy
to run thru it, so I just used stop bath. Worked like a champ! And it gave
off that great darkroom aroma!
Dudley Hanks - 09 Mar 2008 22:44 GMT
>>>I don't shoot film anymore, it's just too expensive and time consuming.
>>>Of course, there's no thrill like watching a photo you took, developing
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> to run thru it, so I just used stop bath. Worked like a champ! And it gave
> off that great darkroom aroma!

Hey, Ken, have you ever thought of branching out into the coffee shop
business?

Who knows, you might give Starbucks a run for its money.

Grin,
Dudley
Peter - 09 Mar 2008 21:52 GMT
>>I don't shoot film anymore, it's just too expensive and time consuming. Of
>>course, there's no thrill like watching a photo you took, developing under
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Have a great day.
> Marcel

You can put it on your salad

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savantcreative - 09 Mar 2008 13:57 GMT
>I don't shoot film anymore, it's just too expensive and time consuming.   Of
>course, there's no thrill like watching a photo you took, developing under
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>> <a href="http://www.brucekersten.com">Long Island Photographer - Bruce
>> Kersten Photography</a>
It is sad that the tactile part of loading film into holders and onto reels
is over for me.

http://www.brucekersten.com
http://www.savantcreative.com
jim - 17 May 2008 14:34 GMT
>Do any of you still shoot film?  Does anybody miss it?
>
>http://www.brucekersten.com
>
><a href="http://www.brucekersten.com">Long Island Photographer - Bruce
>Kersten Photography</a>

    Hi foks
    I haven't shot any pics for many years now, but many years
back along there was work being done on a unit that could go in the
camera in place of film and give you digital shots that could be
loaded into a computer. Does anyone know if this gadget was completed
and if so what it is called and where can it be purchased ???.

    I would get one and use my PetriFlex V again [now there's an
old name for a camera] :-)

    Happy snapping.

    Jim
Jim by the River Plym
Tony B - 17 May 2008 15:48 GMT
> Does anyone know if this gadget was completed
> and if so what it is called and where can it be purchased ???.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_camera_back
Joel - 17 May 2008 18:37 GMT
> >Do any of you still shoot film?  Does anybody miss it?
> >
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>     Jim
> Jim by the River Plym

    Just point your browser to some web sites like www.dpreview.com or
www.steves.digicam.com (may be www.steves-digicams.com ?) there you will see
tons of different types and prices for different digital cameras to chose.
Terry Carlson - 18 May 2008 07:44 GMT
>     Hi foks
>     I haven't shot any pics for many years now, but many years
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>     Jim
> Jim by the River Plym

Jim,

  I had my eye on this item at the time as well.  I was waiting to use it in my
Nikon N70 film camera.  I got tired of waiting when the D70 came out and bought one
of those instead.

  I believe the product you refer to was being developed by Silicon Film.  Here is a
link to some info on them from dpreviews.  The company is long since bankrupt.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0001/00010604siliconfilm.asp

Regards,
Terry Carlson
jim - 24 May 2008 18:34 GMT
    Hi Terry,
thanks for your reply, I didn't get my message I posted show up on my
newsgroup pro so I've posted it again and it still hasn't shown up
sorry folks :-)).
Thanks again Terry I'll have look in to your direction.
>Jim,
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>Regards,
>Terry Carlson
    Happy snapping.

    Jim
Jim by the River Plym
jim - 24 May 2008 18:26 GMT
>Do any of you still shoot film?  Does anybody miss it?
>
>http://www.brucekersten.com
>
><a href="http://www.brucekersten.com">Long Island Photographer - Bruce
>Kersten Photography</a>

    Hi foks
    I haven't shot any pics for many years now, but many years
back along there was work being done on a unit that could go in the
camera in place of film and give you digital shots that could be
loaded into a computer. Does anyone know if this gadget was completed
and if so what it is called and where can it be purchased ???.

    I would get one and use my PetriFlex V again [now there's an
old name for a camera] :-)

    Happy snapping.

    Jim
Jim by the River Plym
jim - 24 May 2008 18:29 GMT
    Hi foks
    I haven't shot any pics for many years now, but many years
back along there was work being done on a unit that could go in the
camera in place of film and give you digital shots that could be
loaded into a computer. Does anyone know if this gadget was completed
and if so what it is called and where can it be purchased ???.

    I would get one and use my PetriFlex V again [now there's an
old name for a camera] :-)

    Happy snapping.

    Jim
Jim by the River Plym
nospam - 24 May 2008 18:43 GMT
>  Hi foks
>  I haven't shot any pics for many years now, but many years
> back along there was work being done on a unit that could go in the
> camera in place of film and give you digital shots that could be
> loaded into a computer. Does anyone know if this gadget was completed
> and if so what it is called and where can it be purchased ???.

it was called silicon film, among other names, and was never anything
more than vaporware.  

there are a number of technical issues that preclude it from ever being
practical, and with dslrs today selling for as little as $400-500,
there's very little point in trying to resolve them.
(not quite so) Fat Sam - 24 May 2008 20:42 GMT
>>  Hi foks
>>  I haven't shot any pics for many years now, but many years
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> being practical, and with dslrs today selling for as little as
> $400-500, there's very little point in trying to resolve them.

A shame really. I have a few old SLR's that I'm reluctant to part with as
they're far superior in build quality to any modern DSLR's in my opinion.
I'd gladly buy something like this if it existed, as those camera bodies and
lenses have still got decades of life left in them.
 
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