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Photo Forum / General Photo Topics / General Topics / February 2008Converting RAW?
I do not seem to abe able to open RAW files in Photoshop8 I tried the conversion tool free dowload from Adobe but they still will not open The Canon software that came with my camera appear to open them but I have to convert to jpeg before Photoshop can recognise them I'm missing somehting I'm sure, Can someone point me in the right direction please? Ta  SignatureVass > I do not seem to abe able to open RAW files in Photoshop8 > I tried the conversion tool free dowload from Adobe but they still will not [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > please? > Ta You need a version of ACR recent enough to include your camera model but not so recent as to not work with your version of photoshop. Isn't version 8 called CS or CS1? You may have to use a new enough version of the DNG converter (which comes with the free ACR download at adobe) to convert to DNG first, or upgrade photoshop. >> I do not seem to abe able to open RAW files in Photoshop8 >> I tried the conversion tool free dowload from Adobe but they still [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > not so recent as to not work with your version of photoshop. Isn't > version 8 called CS or CS1? Yes 8 is CS so you'll need the latest version of ACR which works with that. > You may have to use a new enough version of > the DNG converter (which comes with the free ACR download at adobe) to > convert to DNG first, or upgrade photoshop. Tell us which camera & someone might be able to help with which version of the DNG converter is needed. It's an extra step but you can reduce file sizes & opening straight into photoshop is nice. >I do not seem to abe able to open RAW files in Photoshop8 >I tried the conversion tool free dowload from Adobe but they still will not [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I'm missing somehting I'm sure, Can someone point me in the right direction >please? Try http://www.dxo.com Not only will it do RAW conversion but will correct for lens distortion and a whole lot more besides. Signature\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ /\/\/ chris@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ >>I do not seem to abe able to open RAW files in Photoshop8 >>I tried the conversion tool free dowload from Adobe but they still will [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Not only will it do RAW conversion but will correct for lens distortion > and a whole lot more besides. Chris, The Op already has Photoshop. Don't you think that the last thing he needs is another "image enhancer", especially an "automatic one"? The beauty of the Photoshop RAW converters is that, once you've done a "once around" on WB or aperture, you can have it open in Photoshop for further corrections if need be, without having to save twice. Even then, you can save in Tiff and work on it againe later. Cheers, Marcel >>>I do not seem to abe able to open RAW files in Photoshop8 >>>I tried the conversion tool free dowload from Adobe but they still will [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Cheers, > Marcel Since purchasing Bibble I rarely use Photoshop anymore. It's so much better at what it does. About the only thing PS still is started for is retouching, removing bits of dust and things like that. <snip> > > Chris, > > The Op already has Photoshop. Don't you think that the last thing he needs [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > About the only thing PS still is started for is retouching, removing bits of > dust and things like that. May be we have some misunderstanding somewhere .. cuz Photoshop is photo retoucher when RAW converter is RAW converter, and Photoshop and RAW converter are 2 different beats do two different things. Or I would agree if you say something like you stop using ARC or LightRoom after purchasing Bibble (because all 3 are RAW converters), and Photoshop has nothing to do with RAW converter. > <snip> >> > Chris, [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > after purchasing Bibble (because all 3 are RAW converters), and Photoshop > has nothing to do with RAW converter. Perhaps Buit with the right RAW converter, you can continue in Photoshop Marcel > > <snip> > >> > Chris, [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Buit with the right RAW converter, you can continue in Photoshop > Marcel I have 3 Canon DSLR cameras and even I don't use none of Canon's RAW converter, but I believe Canon DSLR comes with RAW converter. And I read few people report that the Canon RAW converter comes with 40D is quite good, and few people prefer to use it instead of LightRoom or ARC (some switches totally and some only use for something). Me? I am using ARC but I do have LightRoom, and I don't depend on RAW for my work, or Photoshop is my main $$$ making machine. RAW I just try to learn it so I won't be too far behind, else I don't do recovery to benefit much from RAW converter. > I have 3 Canon DSLR cameras and even I don't use none of Canon's RAW > converter, but I believe Canon DSLR comes with RAW converter. And I read [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > learn it so I won't be too far behind, else I don't do recovery to benefit > much from RAW converter. After I read your words, I'm interested do you usually take photos in raw format or you prefer jpeg output from the camera? Greetings! > > I have 3 Canon DSLR cameras and even I don't use none of Canon's RAW > > converter, but I believe Canon DSLR comes with RAW converter. And I read [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > After I read your words, I'm interested do you usually take photos in raw > format or you prefer jpeg output from the camera? It's pretty up to you, and because the whole thing is more than most RAW users try to inform other, and most RAW users may not know non-RAW well enough for a good comparison. And I am a professional photographer why photograph for printing, for client so I can't afford making error for later recovery, so RAW won't benefit me much. No, I don't deny RAW has some advantage, but also few disadvantage. - Because I know RAW is not yet united, different RAW converter uses different code/technique so they won't give the same result. As you have been hearing different people like different RAW converter. - Because of the above, and different bug, different setting etc. of different RAW converter so I don't have 100% trust on any RAW converter. So, I learn to master one instead of trying too many different program then end up with nothing. And I have more trust on the JPG processes by camera than any current RAW converter. - But if you either photograph in low-light situation, photograph for displaying, no detail work, and especially don't have much post processing skill then RAW converter seems to be a quick way for some basic adjustment which most people need. But if you process for printing, detail work (retouching not only adjusting) then RAW or not RAW doesn't make much difference. Because a. You have to learn to control the camera to get good photo. And good photo doesn't need recovery. b. Good lens to capture cleaner, sharper image c. If you photograph for printing, client then you can't afford too much ender/overexposed that needs recovery. Or little under/overexposure is pretty normal and easily adjusted by Photoshop (or similar) Me, I prefer a little underexposure. So, it's pretty much depending on your post processing skill. And I always suggest photographer to spend time to invest more on post processing skill (especially Photoshop) instead of RAW converter. YES, it's ok to use RAW converter, but RAW converter is very limited comparing to Photoshop. > Greetings! > And I am a professional photographer why >recovery, so RAW won't benefit me much. One half of the sentence makes a lie of the other. >- Because of the above, and different bug, different setting etc. of >different RAW converter so I don't have 100% trust on any RAW converter. What about the RAW convertor in the camera? >up with nothing. And I have more trust on the JPG processes by camera than >any current RAW converter. That is a RAW processor!!!! From RAW to JPG in the camera > So, it's pretty much depending on your post processing skill. And I >always suggest photographer to spend time to invest more on post processing >skill (especially Photoshop) instead of RAW converter. YES, it's ok to use >RAW converter, but RAW converter is very limited comparing to Photoshop. This explains you don't really understand RAW at all!!!! There are many things a separate RAW convertor can do that photoshop can't It can't correct for lens distortions for a start. Besides why limit yourself to the RAW convertor in the camera? Why not do the RAW processing when you have much better control over it. Your arguments make no sense at all. You say use photoshop but start with a JPG ( a lossy format) that has been already processed by a RAW convertor on automatic. Why not use the power of the RAW convertor to take out the barrelling. Pin cushioning, keystoning, noise, dust etc before conversion to a loss-less format before you get it into Photoshop where you can produce a lower quality lossy JPG is you want to. Signature\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ /\/\/ chris@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ > > And I am a professional photographer why > >recovery, so RAW won't benefit me much. > > One half of the sentence makes a lie of the other. As you know I have never interest to have any kind of conversation with you. Yes, I do agree your English is very good but you are little too low for me to have a conversation. > >- Because of the above, and different bug, different setting etc. of > >different RAW converter so I don't have 100% trust on any RAW converter. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > loss-less format before you get it into Photoshop where you can produce > a lower quality lossy JPG is you want to. >> > And I am a professional photographer why >> >recovery, so RAW won't benefit me much. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >you. Yes, I do agree your English is very good but you are little too low >for me to have a conversation. English happens to be my native tongue. You appear not to be technically competent to have a discussion with. Signature\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ /\/\/ chris@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ >>>>I do not seem to abe able to open RAW files in Photoshop8 >>>>I tried the conversion tool free dowload from Adobe but they still will [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > About the only thing PS still is started for is retouching, removing bits > of dust and things like that. Perhaps you oversimplifly a tad... Most photographic studios are still using Photoshop... not only to remove bits of dust... Marcel >>>I do not seem to abe able to open RAW files in Photoshop8 >>>I tried the conversion tool free dowload from Adobe but they still will [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >The Op already has Photoshop. Don't you think that the last thing he needs >is another "image enhancer", especially an "automatic one"? 1 it's not automatic (unless you want it to be) 2 It corrects for specific lenses. barrelling, pincushion, vinigetting etc automatically Photoshop can't do that and as far as I know no other RAW convertor can either. 3 It will remove noise and many other things on the RAW file BEFORE conversion. AFAIK there isn't a RAW convertor to touch it. >The beauty of >the Photoshop RAW converters is that, once you've done a "once around" on WB >or aperture, you can have it open in Photoshop for further corrections if >need be, without having to save twice. Even then, you can save in Tiff and >work on it againe later. DXO will save in TIFF and JPG Then I work in it in photoshop. Signature\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ /\/\/ chris@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ > I do not seem to abe able to open RAW files in Photoshop8 > I tried the conversion tool free dowload from Adobe but they still will not [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > please? > Ta You do not miss anything. Cuz in general - Photoshop itself doesn't do RAW *but* the ARC comes with Photoshop does. And some newer versions of Photoshop come with different version of ARC - Because RAW is not yet united, or each manufacture and model have different code, so some older version of ARC and other RAW converters usually don't work with newer model. If the version is current support then the author may release the upgrade version to support newer model, but if it's no longer supported (like old ARC) then the RAW converter becomes useless. - CS3 is the current latest Photoshop comes with newer version of ARC which is not only supporting all current newest models of cameras, but it also handle popular format like JPG, TIFF etc.. Same with Adobe LightRoom which supports about all current RAW format including other format like JPG, TIFF etc.. > I do not seem to abe able to open RAW files in Photoshop8 I tried the > conversion tool free dowload from Adobe but they still will not open [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > sure, Can someone point me in the right direction please? > Ta check this --> http://ufraw.sourceforge.net/Install.html for windows --> http://ufraw.sourceforge.net/Install.html#MS list of supported cameras --> http://ufraw.sourceforge.net/Cameras.html and my advice is to use GIMP (http://www.gimp.org/windows/) instead photoshop 8. Signaturethe lamer's team honourable member ---------------------------------- Nick Angelow > > I do not seem to abe able to open RAW files in Photoshop8 I tried the > > conversion tool free dowload from Adobe but they still will not open [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > and my advice is to use GIMP (http://www.gimp.org/windows/) instead > photoshop 8. I don't have anything to against GIMP but I would suggest not to go for GIMP even it's free. Cuz the price we have to pay for long run is way too expensive if go with GIMP. >> check this --> http://ufraw.sourceforge.net/Install.html >> for windows --> http://ufraw.sourceforge.net/Install.html#MS [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >GIMP even it's free. Cuz the price we have to pay for long run is way too >expensive if go with GIMP. Now try supporting that false claim with facts! SignatureFloyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com >> > I do not seem to abe able to open RAW files in Photoshop8 I tried the >> > conversion tool free dowload from Adobe but they still will not open [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > GIMP even it's free. Cuz the price we have to pay for long run is way too > expensive if go with GIMP. Have you ever tried GIMP? I'm quite agree with Floyd you might try to proof your words. Ufraw is a great tool for converting and editing raw files, supports numerous camera models and it deserves attention before to go and pay for anything else. It gives independence of platforms and output camera formats. I think Ray and Nick gave enough information and it is not the first time when they give such suggestions here, in this group. Greetings! > >> > I do not seem to abe able to open RAW files in Photoshop8 I tried the > >> > conversion tool free dowload from Adobe but they still will not open [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Greetings! My question is have you ever tried Photoshop? I bet you may say you do.. then my next question is how well you know Photoshop? I am Photoshop user, and I have been using Photoshop for around 2 decades so so (started with v2.x or so). Yes it took me many years to get to know Photoshop, and I have been using as professional for a little over a decade now. If you want to know more about RAW converter. Well, Adobe LightRoom not only support all current RAW format, and same with Adobe ARC both also support other graphic formats like JPG and TIFF etc.. Yes, before Adobe released LightRoom and the newer ARC those support JPG and TIFF etc. I was telling them that Photoshop itself has option to adjust Explosure, Temperature etc. for years .. but because those are not the most important part of Retouching so those are hidden under several menu deep. >> >> > I do not seem to abe able to open RAW files in Photoshop8 I tried the >> >> > conversion tool free dowload from Adobe but they still will not open [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >Explosure, Temperature etc. for years .. but because those are not the most >important part of Retouching so those are hidden under several menu deep. Basically, in English, what you wanted to say was that you don't know enough to compare either image editors or RAW converters. SignatureFloyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com <snip> > > If you want to know more about RAW converter. Well, Adobe LightRoom not > >only support all current RAW format, and same with Adobe ARC both also [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Basically, in English, what you wanted to say was that you don't > know enough to compare either image editors or RAW converters. You may be right and that is why I am not RAW worshipper <bg> > I do not seem to abe able to open RAW files in Photoshop8 I tried the > conversion tool free dowload from Adobe but they still will not open [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > sure, Can someone point me in the right direction please? > Ta I would suggest you try ufraw to see if it suits your needs. It will not only read and convert raw files, but also allows you to do basic editing right there with the full depth data - adjust exposure, pick a white balance, apply curves, . . . > I do not seem to abe able to open RAW files in Photoshop8 > I tried the conversion tool free dowload from Adobe but they still will not [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > please? > Ta What software came with the camera? DPP is a great raw editor and it coverts to tiff when you transfer to PS not JPG >> Ta > > What software came with the camera? > DPP is a great raw editor and it coverts to tiff when you transfer to PS > not JPG Yes DPP works converting to Tiff thanks then on to PS8 cheers SignatureVass |
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