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Amazing Photo Competition

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k2chris - 31 Jan 2008 11:46 GMT
Win thousands of pounds worth of Camera equipment plus the chance to
win a trip on a Destination Finder photo shoot to Egypt to photograph
the Pyramids for our Front cover, The competition is Free to enter
www.destination-finder.com
Andrew Koenig - 31 Jan 2008 20:36 GMT
> Win thousands of pounds worth of Camera equipment plus the chance to
> win a trip on a Destination Finder photo shoot to Egypt to photograph
> the Pyramids for our Front cover, The competition is Free to enter
> www.destination-finder.com

No, actually, it's not free.

If you enter, you give up reproduction rights for the photographs that you
enter, even if they don't win.  Those rights are presumably worth something,
so entering the contest isn't free.
k2chris - 24 Feb 2008 07:48 GMT
> > Win thousands of pounds worth of Camera equipment plus the chance to
> > win a trip on a Destination Finder photo shoot toEgyptto photograph
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> enter, even if they don't win.  Those rights are presumably worth something,
> so entering the contest isn't free.

You dont give up reproduction rights, you are just allowing
destination-finder.com to publish the images in the destination-
finder  magazine, which is surely OK as the advertised prizes are to
be published in the magazine and front cover by Destination Finder
k2chris - 24 Feb 2008 07:51 GMT
> > "k2chris" <ch...@destination-finder.com> wrote in message
>
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> finder  magazine, which is surely OK as the advertised prizes are to
> be published in the magazine and front cover by Destination Finder

Just to add to that , you keep all reproduction rights to your
pictures all you are agreeing to is destination-finder to publish the
images in our magazine and on our website which is clear
-hh - 24 Feb 2008 12:19 GMT
> Just to add to that, you keep all reproduction rights to your
> pictures all you are agreeing to is destination-finder to publish the
> images in our magazine and on our website which is clear

What the submitter is losing is control over his reproduction rights.
He does retain rights to reproduce himself, but he's now given away
rights to someone else who can then (if they wish) compete against
him.  And this is for all photos submitted - winners and losers.

Sure, we might get k2chris's promise that he won't ever do that, but
ITS NOT WRITTEN DOWN IN THE CONTRACT, which means that its an empty
promise.

The other loophole is that it is never stated if "Destination-Finder"
always pays the photographer for each image that they later use, and
by how much?  This is because of all of the "loser" entries that may
be used at DF's discretion and again ... as per the rules ... nothing
is legally stopping them from doing this.

Similarly, what happens if DF goes out of business?  There have been
some companies who made promises of copyright assurances, but when
they went into bankruptcy, the liquidator tried to change the terms of
the contract, so as to raise some quick cash by selling the images to
a Stock Photography outlet.

Now it very well be that k2chris as Destination Finder are very well
intentioned and that this photo contest is not a rip-off.
Unfortunately, there's already been hundreds of rip-off
"contests" (Copyright Harvesting through  Deception)  that have fit
this very template that k2chris is copying here.

As such, **if he wants to prove that he's being honest**, he's got to
go in and clarify his contest rules, so as to make it extremely clear
that DF's rights to use the submitter's copyrighted works are very
limited, will always be compensated if used, and have a finite life (X
years) and finite distribution (Y website hits).  Anything less
invokes the 'Slippery Slope' of exploitation potential, so your more
savvy photographers will avoid this contest just as they're avoiding
dozens and dozens of others.

FWIW, if anyone out there really wants their images to be seen that
badly, simply go sell them to one of the easy-to-find Stock
Photography websites.  If your stuff is worthwhile, you'll get royalty
checks as companies buy them for use.

-hh
 
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