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"Battery Empty" problem with fully charged batteries
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BE - 27 Jan 2008 21:49 GMT I have an Olympus D595 5MP Digital Camera with 3x Optical Zoom, bought about 2.5 years ago. I can no longer get it to start. No matter what set of fully-charged batteries I put into it, I get the "battery empty" screen and it immediately shuts down.
I have cleaned all the battery contacts inside the battery cavity and also those of the batteries with a pencil eraser.
The camera will mount on the desktop of my computer when connected via the USB cable.
I have seen this problem discussed on several sites, but no good answers given for what is causing it, aside from dirty battery contacts.
Am I going to need to purchase another camera?
Thanks
Be
Joel - 27 Jan 2008 23:36 GMT > I have an Olympus D595 5MP Digital Camera with 3x Optical Zoom, bought about > 2.5 years ago. I can no longer get it to start. No matter what set of [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Be I don't have Olympus but I can tell you that in general *both* Film (not very old film camera) and Digital cemaras often have or require TWO batteries.
1. A small battery to keep camera alive (storing information like Date, Name, Setting etc..), and this usually last for several years depending on how much you use (I guess because I still keep the Olympus C-2100 and the battery is still working .. and I did buy an spare battry few months after I got the camera)
- This small battery often hide inside the the place where battery or memory card is.
2. A Regular Large battery that you use to photograph, flah, zoom etc. that you charge now and then, or the one you just CHARGED. This has nothing to do with the life of camera.
BE - 27 Jan 2008 23:43 GMT On 1/27/08 5:36 PM, in article ju4qp3p7fpt7k2fd4rldhaceu03vsbacng@4ax.com,
>> I have an Olympus D595 5MP Digital Camera with 3x Optical Zoom, bought about >> 2.5 years ago. I can no longer get it to start. No matter what set of [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > you charge now and then, or the one you just CHARGED. This has nothing to > do with the life of camera. I would have thought those setting would be saved in non-volatile ram. I will investigate - thanks!
Be
David H. Lipman - 28 Jan 2008 00:38 GMT From: "BE" <dobedobedo@putana.net>
| I would have thought those setting would be saved in non-volatile ram. I | will investigate - thanks! | | Be This is the same as a desktop computer. The time-clock can NOT work in non-volatile RAM. I presume your camera has a time-clock and shows the date and time.
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Joel - 28 Jan 2008 01:37 GMT <snip>
> > I don't have Olympus but I can tell you that in general *both* Film (not > > very old film camera) and Digital cemaras often have or require TWO [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Be RAM is the chip where the camera stores information, but RAM and camera need power (battery) to keep it alive and functional. Same with computer, there is a battery to keep the CMOS setting.
BTW, good luck with your camera, and I hope it's the battery (sounds like bettery is the problem) and you should be able to get battery from just about any local store like Target, Wal-Marts etc.. and it may cost $2-3
T Shadow - 28 Jan 2008 02:43 GMT > <snip> > > BTW, good luck with your camera, and I hope it's the battery (sounds like > bettery is the problem) and you should be able to get battery from just > about any local store like Target, Wal-Marts etc.. and it may cost $2-3 Batteries are most likely but chargers fail too. Still using one set of batteries after 8 years. Tossed the other set I started with a few years ago when I thought they failed. Later realized the charger would sometimes fail to fully charge the right pair.
Joel - 28 Jan 2008 08:08 GMT > > <snip> > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > when I thought they failed. Later realized the charger would sometimes fail > to fully charge the right pair. It's possible but we have to assume that the regular battery is ok as the OP stated, and the battery doesn't have to be full charged for camera to give some info.
T Shadow - 29 Jan 2008 08:02 GMT > > > <snip> > > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > OP stated, and the battery doesn't have to be full charged for camera to > give some info. Batteries are installed serial. One bad one kills all of them. Trouble shooting seldom gets easier when you assume you know what the problem is. At least if your not psychic. Just because the batteries have been on a charger does not mean they have to be in a charged state. If he had stated he checked the batteries under load and gave numbers I might have believed he actually knows. Can't imagine why someone would ask if they knew what they were doing.
BE - 28 Jan 2008 03:23 GMT On 1/27/08 7:37 PM, in article 37cqp3p11mubpqfjm9bbpnls3jjecf112q@4ax.com,
> <snip> >>> I don't have Olympus but I can tell you that in general *both* Film (not [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > bettery is the problem) and you should be able to get battery from just > about any local store like Target, Wal-Marts etc.. and it may cost $2-3 I just wonder... My user's guide makes NO mention of any other batteries except the AA ones that power normal operation. If they keep the user in the dark about this "other" battery, then it would stand to reason that many people would just chuck the camera and buy a new one. Do you think they would purposely not mention this battery (if it has one)?
Be
T Shadow - 28 Jan 2008 05:06 GMT > On 1/27/08 7:37 PM, in article 37cqp3p11mubpqfjm9bbpnls3jjecf112q@4ax.com, > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Be Haven't reset the time in my camera in 8 years. Surprises me but the manual says it will lose time after several days without power. Must have been close several times. Don't remember ever seeing that before and I'm that rare breed that actually reads the manual. The camcorder I do remember. It just says you have a short amount of time. Inferring not much longer than it takes to recharge the battery. So they must use capacitors.
Dudley Hanks - 28 Jan 2008 05:07 GMT > On 1/27/08 7:37 PM, in article 37cqp3p11mubpqfjm9bbpnls3jjecf112q@4ax.com, > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Be It may be hard-wired into the camera with the expectation that the camera will be out-dated by the time the battery wears out.
If that is the case, happy camera shopping.
But, you might want to look over the whole camera with a keen eye, looking for anything that looks like a small sliding cover. Sometimes, certain details are missed during production of the manual.
If your budget will allow, you might want to look at a new unit. My wife and eye purchased a Canon A70 a few years ago for about $350, with a 3 meg sensor. The sensor chip recently stopped functioning, so we got a new camera.
The new one, a Canon A720 (for $220), is an 8 meg unit with a better optical zoom, better video capabilities, a nicer display panel, better white balance detection, and a higher ISO range, just to name a few things.
Technology is moving quickly, and it's nice when you can play with the new stuff.
Good Luck, Dudley
Joel - 28 Jan 2008 08:22 GMT > On 1/27/08 7:37 PM, in article 37cqp3p11mubpqfjm9bbpnls3jjecf112q@4ax.com, > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Be It may and should have some information, but the problem that most of us don't realize its existing, and don't know where or what to look for. And I knew it because I read it many many years ago, and it happened to my film camera once.
Also, it uses battery similar to Hearing-Aid, Watch bettery (micro battery)
Rob Morley - 28 Jan 2008 13:33 GMT > Also, it uses battery similar to Hearing-Aid, Watch bettery (micro > battery) AKA "button cell"
BE - 28 Jan 2008 13:59 GMT On 1/28/08 7:33 AM, in article MPG.2207e9aa2680397f98b50d@news.individual.net, "Rob Morley" <nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> Also, it uses battery similar to Hearing-Aid, Watch bettery (micro >> battery) >> > AKA "button cell" It will be interesting to see how Olympus responds to my email concerning this problem.
Be
Joel - 28 Jan 2008 14:59 GMT > On 1/28/08 7:33 AM, in article > MPG.2207e9aa2680397f98b50d@news.individual.net, "Rob Morley" [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Be Because this battery isn't very common so they may and may not remember it, unless you mention it to them then they may tell you where the battery is. Or if you monitor some digital camera forum then you may hear about this type of battery may be 1-2 every 1-2 years or so (very rare).
Joel - 28 Jan 2008 14:56 GMT > > Also, it uses battery similar to Hearing-Aid, Watch bettery (micro > > battery) > > > AKA "button cell" Thanks for the word, sometime I have problem finding the right word so most of the time I just go by what I read/heard before .... sometime it could be few days to decade(s) ago <bg>.
Cats - 28 Jan 2008 15:30 GMT > In article <ob3rp3hknmrc5oldmmq6squo1f6pqv3...@4ax.com>, Joel > J...@NoSpam.com says... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > AKA "button cell" And in the UK at least there are quite a few different sizes of them.
Joel - 28 Jan 2008 19:29 GMT > > In article <ob3rp3hknmrc5oldmmq6squo1f6pqv3...@4ax.com>, Joel > > J...@NoSpam.com says... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > And in the UK at least there are quite a few different sizes of them. We have so many different sizes and they are getting smaller and thinner every day. Lets see, digital camera uses it (pretty large because larger usually have larger capacity to last longer), wrist watch, hearing-aid, laser beam, flash light, car remote control, pen for tablet (older type), many bluetooth device, toy, even kid shoe .. thousands of them <bg>
krishnananda - 29 Jan 2008 04:49 GMT > I just wonder... My user's guide makes NO mention of any other batteries > except the AA ones that power normal operation. If they keep the user in the > dark about this "other" battery, then it would stand to reason that many > people would just chuck the camera and buy a new one. Do you think they > would purposely not mention this battery (if it has one)? If they are anything like camcorders then yes, they expect you to chuck it when the internal battery dies. I have a Canon Mini DV camcorder from a few years back. Every time I turn it on, even when plugged directly into the AC adapter, it immediately asks me to to set the date and time. The internal battery died and nowhere in the documentation or on Canon's website are there any instructions on how to change it or even the fact that it exists.
And of course a competent repair place would charge many times the camera's value to dig out the old battery and replace it. The value of anything but high-end digital photo and video gear plummets faster than a used Edsel when driven off the used car dealer's lot.
In the bad old days of CMOS batteries in computers they were soldered onto the motherboard. I managed to exchange exactly one battery on an old 386 notebook by unsoldering it and resoldering in a replacement obtained from some obscure computer parts supplier. More recently working on Macs I managed to get a copy of the Mac repair parts and procedures CD (eBay is your friend) and since the batteries are no longer soldered in place I have successfully replaced several motherboard batteries.
The Canon mini DV is now relegated to stop-motion capture. I don't keep a battery or tape in it; it is just a FireWire camera feeding directly into my Mac. Because I don't depend on time code generated by the camera I don't care what the date display is. Otherwise I would have drip-kicked it long ago.
Remember, if the manufacturers didn't expect their products to be disposable how would they ever sell the next "generation"?
--k
John Grossbohlin - 30 Jan 2008 23:23 GMT | On 1/27/08 5:36 PM, in article ju4qp3p7fpt7k2fd4rldhaceu03vsbacng@4ax.com, | [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] | I would have thought those setting would be saved in non-volatile ram. I | will investigate - thanks! For the little draw needed to hold the settings in a camera's volatile memory I suspect there is a capacitor in the camera. The capacitor may hold enough juice to keep the settings for a day or two after batteries are removed. For example, neither of my two digital cameras have anything but the main AA cells yet they'll hold the settings while I'm changing batteries... and I don't have to move at the speed of light for it to work!
I don't claim to know all about capacitors. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor for some information. A short piece from Wikipedia:
Energy storage A capacitor can store electric energy when disconnected from its charging circuit, so it can be used like a temporary battery. Capacitors are commonly used in electronic devices to maintain power supply while batteries are being changed. (This prevents loss of information in volatile memory.)
Any Double-Es on here that can explain this to mere mortals?
John
Cats - 29 Jan 2008 09:16 GMT > I have an Olympus D595 5MP Digital Camera with 3x Optical Zoom, bought about > 2.5 years ago. I can no longer get it to start. No matter what set of [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Be Have you tried emailing Olympus?
BE - 30 Jan 2008 05:31 GMT On 1/29/08 3:16 AM, in article 43205632-45c0-4df6-8907-bda0a9ae1c64@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com, "Cats" <ramwater@uk2.net> wrote:
>> I have an Olympus D595 5MP Digital Camera with 3x Optical Zoom, bought about >> 2.5 years ago. I can no longer get it to start. No matter what set of [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Have you tried emailing Olympus? Yes. No answer yet.
Be
Joel - 30 Jan 2008 07:02 GMT <snip>
> >> I have seen this problem discussed on several sites, but no good answers > >> given for what is causing it, aside from dirty battery contacts. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Yes. No answer yet. ... and have you tried to look for the battery some of us trying to tell you yet?
BE - 30 Jan 2008 20:27 GMT On 1/30/08 1:02 AM, in article 2680q3l4es3nn9qdf5hhj687ngqspm60bp@4ax.com,
> <snip> >>>> I have seen this problem discussed on several sites, but no good answers [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > ... and have you tried to look for the battery some of us trying to tell > you yet? There's no visually obvious place for it. It might require that I take the body apart. I want to hear from Olympus first before getting out the micro screwdrivers.
Be
Joel - 30 Jan 2008 23:10 GMT > On 1/30/08 1:02 AM, in article 2680q3l4es3nn9qdf5hhj687ngqspm60bp@4ax.com, > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Be Small screw driver YES, taking the camera apart NO. And in the very first message I pointed to you where it may be.
John Grossbohlin - 30 Jan 2008 23:08 GMT |I have an Olympus D595 5MP Digital Camera with 3x Optical Zoom, bought about | 2.5 years ago. I can no longer get it to start. No matter what set of [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] | | Am I going to need to purchase another camera? I recently went through this same experience with a Fuji S7000 of similar age. From your reference to "fully-charged batteries" can we assume you are using rechargeable batteries? I do... I'd take batteries out of the charger and put them in the camera. The camera would indicate they were nearly dead or dead depending on the set. I finally took out a multi-meter and tested the batteries... 1.2 v or less coming out of the charger with some under 1.1 v...
It was one of those simple Panasonic chargers so I figured the charger was not working correctly. I bought a La Crosse BC-900U charger as a replacement and put four batteries in on "charge" mode... when done I still wasn't getting more than 1.2 v. At that point I put the charger in "Refresh" mode which repeatedly discharges and recharges the batteries until there is no change from one recharge to the next. Low and behold, the batteries came back to life... it took about 2 1/2 days but they came back to life. The "camera problem" ceased and life is good...
With that I ran all my nearly 4 dozen rechargeable AA and AAA batteries through the charger on "refresh" mode. It took almost 2 months to refresh them all!
I cannot say for sure that rechargeable batteries taking a set is your problem but I'd use a multi-meter to test the batteries coming out of the charger before I'd buy a new camera.
John
Rob Morley - 31 Jan 2008 14:29 GMT > I cannot say for sure that rechargeable batteries taking a set is your > problem but I'd use a multi-meter to test the batteries coming out of the > charger before I'd buy a new camera. The no-load voltage isn't much indication of the health of a cell - better to stick a flashlight bulb across it and measure the drop then.
Cats - 31 Jan 2008 15:37 GMT On Jan 30, 11:08 pm, "John Grossbohlin" <nos...@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote: <snip>
> I cannot say for sure that rechargeable batteries taking a set is your > problem but I'd use a multi-meter to test the batteries coming out of the > charger before I'd buy a new camera. If he doesn't already own a mutimeter, a new very cheap set of disposable batteries (assuming it takes AA or AAA) would give him the answer.
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