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Photo Forum / General Photo Topics / General Topics / December 2007Pentax
Is there anyone else on this group using a Pentax DSLR, there seems to be a lot of talk about Nikon and Canon. I have a Pentax K100D and find it excellent, but Pentax seem to be the poor relations of the digital world. John. > Is there anyone else on this group using a Pentax DSLR, there seems to > be a lot of talk about Nikon and Canon. > > I have a Pentax K100D and find it excellent, but Pentax > seem to be the poor relations of the digital world. We've got a K100D Super, but can't start playing with it until tuesday*. Main reason for buying Pentax is that we already have a selection of Pentax mount lenses from almost 30 years of Pentax SLRs. * I've allowed myself to 'test' and 'familarise' myself with it. Very happy so far. The message <5t4qquF1blfa8U1@mid.individual.net> from "OG" <owen@gwynnefamily.org.uk> contains these words: > > Is there anyone else on this group using a Pentax DSLR, there seems to > > be a lot of talk about Nikon and Canon. > > > > I have a Pentax K100D and find it excellent, but Pentax > > seem to be the poor relations of the digital world. > We've got a K100D Super, but can't start playing with it until tuesday*. > Main reason for buying Pentax is that we already have a selection of Pentax > mount lenses from almost 30 years of Pentax SLRs. > * I've allowed myself to 'test' and 'familarise' myself with it. Very happy > so far. I'm sure you will be very pleased with it. Get yourself some Hybrid type batteries, (Hybrio, Eneloop), they seem to last forever, much better than normal NiMh. John I have k10d and had shot around 20,000 shots a month ago. Pentax is coming back hard and its optic is well known around photographers and alike. Well, it is the photographer that counts rather than the gear ... > Is there anyone else on this group using a Pentax DSLR, there seems to > be a lot of talk about Nikon and Canon. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > John. Most photographers go for the Whole System (lens and others) not any specific model's or maker's. So, some model of Pentax may be a fine camera for some specific use, but may not suite most photographers for what they use. When I was using P&S I chose Olympus because of the warmer color, and the LCD displaying in real time (I saw some model of Canons' were much slower), and I am talking about many years ago. And years before the first DSLR was first availble many already talked about Digital Camera using Regular lens (and many laughed at the idea), and after it was available I spent little over a year reading as much talks about Olympus, Canon, Nikon DSLR cameras etc. then decided to go with Canon. >> Is there anyone else on this group using a Pentax DSLR, there seems to >> be a lot of talk about Nikon and Canon. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > over a year reading as much talks about Olympus, Canon, Nikon DSLR cameras > etc. then decided to go with Canon. Joel, I really tried to follow what you were trying to say but decided that you were just wrong. Pentax have a fine system and some great cameras as do many other manufacturers. Pentax tend to have more features in their cameras so if you want better value in a great camera then go for a Pentax. Liking Olympus because they have "warmer" colours is fine but do keep in mind that it probably means that the colours are not correct and that is a bad thing. All pictures from all cameras can be post processed to get the look you want. Most "picture takers" may buy into a "system" but most only ever get a few lenses and maybe one or two accessories, all major and minor manufacturers will be able to support this so don't get too hung up on the "system". Buy the camera you like using. If it feels good in your hand you get out and use it much more than if it is awkward to use, this applies to position of buttons, menus, etc.. Cheers. Pete In article <476d76a9$0$20627$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, Pete D <no@email.com> wrote: > Pentax have a fine system and some great cameras as do many other > manufacturers. Where did you tards learn English? "Pentax" is singular - "Pentax *has* a fine system." > Pentax tend to have more features in their cameras so if you want better > value in a great camera then go for a Pentax. Again - "Pentax *tends* to have..." > In article > <476d76a9$0$20627$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, Pete D [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Where did you tards learn English? "Pentax" is singular - "Pentax > *has* a fine system." Depends whether you're referring to Pentax as a brand or entity...That's singular so "has" would be correct. Or if you're referring to Pentax as a company, you would be referring to a collective...In that case, both "has" and "have" would be correct. > Depends whether you're referring to Pentax as a brand or entity...That's > singular so "has" would be correct. > Or if you're referring to Pentax as a company, you would be referring to a > collective...In that case, both "has" and "have" would be correct. You should have paid more attention in junior high English class. > > Depends whether you're referring to Pentax as a brand or entity...That's > > singular so "has" would be correct. > > Or if you're referring to Pentax as a company, you would be referring to a > > collective...In that case, both "has" and "have" would be correct. > > You should have paid more attention in junior high English class. "In American usage, a collective noun takes a singular verb when it refers to the collection considered as a whole" "It takes a plural verb when it refers to the members of the group considered as individuals" "A collective noun should not be treated as both singular and plural in the same construction" "In British English, singular words like family, team, government, which refer to groups of people, can be used with either singular or plural verbs and pronouns." "Plural forms are common when the group is considered as a collection of people" "Singular forms (with which as a relative pronoun) are more common when the group is seen as an impersonal unit." "When a group noun is used with a singular determiner (e.g. a/an, each, every, this, that), singular verbs and pronouns are normal" "Sometimes singular and plural forms are mixed:" http://www.learnenglish.org.uk/grammar/archive/collective_nouns.html My high school English teacher used to correct my British spelling to the American form until she got tired of me waving my OED at her. :-) >>> Depends whether you're referring to Pentax as a brand or >>> entity...That's singular so "has" would be correct. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > My high school English teacher used to correct my British spelling to > the American form until she got tired of me waving my OED at her. :-) And as the name "English" means the language of the country that is called England, I think it's pretty safe to say that the British version of the language is the one true and correct version of it. All other versions are nothing more than derivatives who owe their very existence to the British version of the language. In article <cfKdnXVsRNDo0fPanZ2dnUVZ8h-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, (not quite so) Fat Sam samandjanet@knox.orangehome.co.uk says... > And as the name "English" means the language of the country that is called > England, I think it's pretty safe to say that the British version of the > language is the one true and correct version of it. All other versions are > nothing more than derivatives who owe their very existence to the British > version of the language. I wasn't going to go that far - language evolves, and it does so differently in different places. English is primarily a Germanic language (it's even named after the Angles, who were German) with influences from Latin, French, Celtic, and there are more Germans, Latins, French and Celts in North America than there are in Britain so maybe American English is the true form. :-) > In article <cfKdnXVsRNDo0fPanZ2dnUVZ8h-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, (not quite > so) Fat Sam [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Latins, French and Celts in North America than there are in Britain so > maybe American English is the true form. :-) American English and English English are getting to be so different that they're almost becoming separate languages. The differences are greater than simple variations in dialect. As the two languages are diversifying so much, perhaps it's time that the American version of the language had a name change from English to American. As 99.9% of Americans are very proudly patriotic, I'd imagine they'd welcome the idea of having their language named after their native country. I'd suggest the same thing for Australian too. >> In article <cfKdnXVsRNDo0fPanZ2dnUVZ8h-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, (not quite >> so) Fat Sam [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > the idea of having their language named after their native country. > I'd suggest the same thing for Australian too. I were born in England but now lives in America where we have the finest President in all of our history. When he makes speech I so proud of his command of the language it bring tears to my eyes. Dave Cohen snippage of some good language 'drift' observations........ then >I were born in England but now lives in >America where we have the finest >President in all of our history. When he >makes speech I so proud of his command >of the language it bring tears to my eyes. >Dave Cohen "OH! Hor hor hor Cully; Thats got 'em in the balls! Thats wipen' they eyes! Hor hor." Patrick O'Brian. [Care for some Wodehouse?] Fact is that the urge to standarize spelling and useage is doomed from the outset simply because it can not be done in any lasting way. The spoken language has always been a variable. It drifts. It flows. It picks up and drops off bits of this and that from other cultures as time moves along. Variation lends color and contrast and texture to a living and vibrant and adaptable society. Strangle the language... kill the zest. The thinking man will welcome new sounds and new useage of old sounds as progress.... The dull will insist on conformance to the status quo. The equally dull will ignore the past accumulation of wisdom to their own reduction. Not much difference really in the question of film or digital as the One True Way....... I think there is much to be said for film in some respects.... and much to be said for digital in other respects. I'm sorry to see the beauty of the craft fed to the dogs of war. UW > In article > <476d76a9$0$20627$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, Pete D [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Again - "Pentax *tends* to have..." Great comment dude, you are one smart guy, congrats! In article <476dd31d$0$6858$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, Pete D <no@email.com> wrote: > Great comment dude, you are one smart guy, congrats! I'm seeing so much more of this subject/verb disagreement in the newsgroups lately and I don't understand it. If these people spoke these same words, they'd sound like uneducated fools. > In article > <476dd31d$0$6858$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, Pete D [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > newsgroups lately and I don't understand it. If these people spoke > these same words, they'd sound like uneducated fools. Why you not like uneducated fools, you prefer educated fools, we have those, take your pick. Dave Cohen >>> Is there anyone else on this group using a Pentax DSLR, there seems to >>> be a lot of talk about Nikon and Canon. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > All pictures from all cameras can be post processed to get the look you > want. There are really some limits there - particularly for jpeg. > Most "picture takers" may buy into a "system" but most only ever get a few > lenses and maybe one or two accessories, all major and minor manufacturers [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Pete <snip> > >> When I was using P&S I chose Olympus because of the warmer color, and the > >> LCD displaying in real time (I saw some model of Canons' were much [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > There are really some limits there - particularly for jpeg. Not direct to you but to our Pete who reposned to my message but I don't have it. I have no idea why our Pete thinks I am wrong when I said nothing about his Pentax, and why our Pete has to correct me with the Pentax which I have no idea how good/bad it is. And as usually I don't say thing I don't know, and don't know what to think when someone tries to correct thing I don't say <bg> > <snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > say > <bg> Pardon? >> <snip> >>> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Pardon? Just because you don't say something is no excuse for failing to not say it correctly if you were to have said it. If you don't wish to be corrected then you need to say something correctly and stop not saying things which might be incorrect. Dave Cohen <snip> > >> I have no idea why our Pete thinks I am wrong when I said nothing about > >> his Pentax, and why our Pete has to correct me with the Pentax which I [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > things which might be incorrect. > Dave Cohen How on earth our Dave comes up with an interesting thought about saying nothing is wrong because not saying it correctly. I guess our Dave and I may have our mouths shut for good? <bg> >>>> Is there anyone else on this group using a Pentax DSLR, there seems to >>>> be a lot of talk about Nikon and Canon. [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > There are really some limits there - particularly for jpeg. I sugest that any D-SLR will print perfectly acceptably at at least A4 with no problems using jpeg straight from camera, this will meet the needs of all but a very small percentage of shooters, I regularly print 12x18 prints from my 3 year old 6MP D-SLR after converting from RAW but the jpeg output is not far behind in quality and colour. The only time I see anyone having a problem is when they pixelpeep and that seems to be a waste of time. >> Most "picture takers" may buy into a "system" but most only ever get a >> few [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >> Pete >>>>> Is there anyone else on this group using a Pentax DSLR, there seems to >>>>> be a lot of talk about Nikon and Canon. [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > far behind in quality and colour. The only time I see anyone having a > problem is when they pixelpeep and that seems to be a waste of time. Unless the exposure is off a bit, contrast might need some adjustment, . . . As you seem to imply, there is often room for improvement. The improvement you can make to an 8-bit jpeg is limited - that's all I said. With a raw you certainly have much more latitude. >>> Most "picture takers" may buy into a "system" but most only ever get a >>> few [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >>> >>> Pete >Is there anyone else on this group using a Pentax DSLR, there seems to >be a lot of talk about Nikon and Canon. I bought a Pentax *ist because of the excellent lenses available at good prices. The fisheye, ultrawide, 'standard' and telephoto are all zoom lenses and there's negligible chromatic aberration at any focal length on any lens. Sample fisheye pix here: <http://www.henniker.org.uk/html/leith16.htm> regards Dave. <http://www.henniker.org.uk> 3000 photos especially Edinburgh & Scotland. + 3D rendered art, old ads etc. Délété david for email; watch the spam filters. > Is there anyone else on this group using a Pentax DSLR, there seems to > be a lot of talk about Nikon and Canon. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > John. I have a K10D and love it. Pentax is different than most camera companies, I think it hurts them but it is there way. They seem to be off doing their own thing. I think their poor customer and press relations especially when dealing with missed shipping dates is just horrible. They very seldom ship a new product on time and when they don't they don't bother to inform anyone of the changes, new time, reason, etc. I think Pentax is much more innovative than Canon and Nikon. Both of which I think haven't had a trully innovative product in years. The Spider  SignatureIf stupid was fruit, Washington D.C. would be an orchard! The K10D is a fantastic camera. I've been using my 10D for about 6 months now, previously had the *istDL before that. SS www.srsteel.co.uk >> Is there anyone else on this group using a Pentax DSLR, there seems to >> be a lot of talk about Nikon and Canon. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > The Spider I bought a Pentax K10D for the following reasons... - I already had lenses for a old Pentax Zx-5n that work with it - Anti-shake built in the body - Dust cleaner - Concurrent shutter+aperture priority - Low price (US$620 after rebate, incl 18-55mm DA lens) > Is there anyone else on this group using a Pentax DSLR, there seems to > be a lot of talk about Nikon and Canon. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > John. |
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