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Question Re: Studio Photo Lighting

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Bill Hart - 26 Nov 2007 17:02 GMT
My daughter is a "startup" portrait photographer and has purchased
several flood lamps w/diffusers.  As I watched her fiddling with these
things trying to get her lighting right I wondered why these things have
"on/off" switches rather than dimmers.  It wouldn't take much to put
together an extension cord with a dimmer in it for these incandescent
lamps.  But would the filaments color change at less than full ON give
an unacceptable "white balance"?  Are there other considerations?
Ric Trexell - 26 Nov 2007 17:47 GMT
> My daughter is a "startup" portrait photographer and has purchased
> several flood lamps w/diffusers.  As I watched her fiddling with these
> things trying to get her lighting right I wondered why these things have
> "on/off" switches rather than dimmers.
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If I understand your question correctly, the more expensive lights have two
or four place settings so you can have one stop, two stops or less light.  I
wouldn't know about changing the color of the light although with a dimmer
it might.  Good quesiton.  She might try the more expensive lights with the
different settings for now though.  Ric in Wisconsin.
Pat - 26 Nov 2007 20:21 GMT
> My daughter is a "startup" portrait photographer and has purchased
> several flood lamps w/diffusers.  As I watched her fiddling with these
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> lamps.  But would the filaments color change at less than full ON give
> an unacceptable "white balance"?  Are there other considerations?

Distance is the great equalizer.  If you want less light, move the
light farther away.  In general, if you move the light twice as far
away, you get 1/4th the amount of light.

If you dimmed them, yes the color would change.  However, people don't
typically use incandesent lights.  Try compact florensent.  They are
much cooler.
Joel - 26 Nov 2007 21:58 GMT
> My daughter is a "startup" portrait photographer and has purchased
> several flood lamps w/diffusers.  As I watched her fiddling with these
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> lamps.  But would the filaments color change at less than full ON give
> an unacceptable "white balance"?  Are there other considerations?

    I can't be able to picture what you are trying to draw at your end, but
several "lamps" (?) laying on floor tangled with wires.  So, instead of
trying to untangle your daughter's lamps and wires, I would give a general
information.

- Depending on the shooting style you may need from 1 to 4 strobes.  And I
 think most people start, or usually end up with 2 strobes.

    - Most if not all strobes have built-in flash-trigger, so you only need to
     fire one and the rest will fire.  You can either using wireless or wire
    to 1 strobe

- You will or would need a Light Meter to measure the light from individual
or all strobe, so you can either setup the camera or adjust the strobe to
meet what you need.  "Light Meter" is one of the most important parts of
studio setup, or photograph using strobe

- Then you (or your daughter) will need learn some basic skill like how to
use all the toys, different angle, the distance between subject vs backdrop
vs strobe etc..

- Strobe - comparing to top-notch flash strobe is pretty inexpensive

- Light Meter - you may want to check with eBay which you may get a pretty
good Light meter for between $100-200 (or less).

- Wireless radio transmitter - you can get a cheap one for around $20-50
DBLEXPOSURE - 27 Nov 2007 00:03 GMT
> My daughter is a "startup" portrait photographer and has purchased several
> flood lamps w/diffusers.  As I watched her fiddling with these things
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> would the filaments color change at less than full ON give an unacceptable
> "white balance"?  Are there other considerations?

Most lamps will change in color temp as you dim them, I would guess  There
are some out there designed for digital photography.  However color temp can
be adjusted in post, especially if she is shooting in Camera RAW.

I would get away from the constant light source and move towards strobes.
Alien Bee has some good deals.  Nobody likes a 500W lamp shoved in their
face for very long...

If it is about learning, try the dimmers.  Could be fun and you both might
learn something.  Shoot white paper at different dimmer settings and see
what happens to the color temp...

In the end, if she is serious, she will one day own strobes.
Floyd L. Davidson - 27 Nov 2007 07:14 GMT
>> My daughter is a "startup" portrait photographer and has purchased several
>> flood lamps w/diffusers.  As I watched her fiddling with these things
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>are some out there designed for digital photography.  However color temp can
>be adjusted in post, especially if she is shooting in Camera RAW.

If you use distinct light sources with different color
temperatures it is impossible to adjust the entire image
to be "correct".

>If it is about learning, try the dimmers.  Could be fun and you both might
>learn something.  Shoot white paper at different dimmer settings and see
>what happens to the color temp...

Nothing special required.  Find any incandescant lamp
you wish that has a dimmer, and watch it get warm as it
gets dim.

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Ken Hart - 27 Nov 2007 01:30 GMT
> My daughter is a "startup" portrait photographer and has purchased several
> flood lamps w/diffusers.  As I watched her fiddling with these things
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> would the filaments color change at less than full ON give an unacceptable
> "white balance"?  Are there other considerations?

Generally speaking, incandescent bulbs will change color temperature to a
more red color as the voltage is lowered.

As for not having dimmers installed, an on/off switch is cheaper to build
than a dimmer switch. And you are right, it wouldn't take much to put
together an extension cord with a dimmer switch- a trip to Home Depot for a
cord, electical box, dimmer switch, 4 wire nuts, and cover plate- maybe
$20-30 total and a few minutes work. (How-to: cut the extension cord where
you want the dimmer switch. Stick the cut ends into the box. Strip the
wires. Connect together with the wire nuts the white wire to the white wire,
and green wire to the green wire, and the black wires to the dimmer switch.
Stuff everything into the box and put on the cover plate. Caveat: this may
not meet electrical codes, and if done wrong, could cause fire or shock. But
I wear rubber sole shoes, and live next door to a fire station.)

She should also consider that light falls off with distance. If she moves a
light form 8' away to 11' away, it is down one f/stop. If she then moves it
16' away. it is down another f/stop.
Bill Hart - 27 Nov 2007 15:53 GMT
Thanks to all who responded.  This info helps a lot.  And thanks to
digital photography, it's easy to shoot & observe, shoot & observe.
Joel - 27 Nov 2007 16:23 GMT
> Thanks to all who responded.  This info helps a lot.  And thanks to
> digital photography, it's easy to shoot & observe, shoot & observe.

    Also, point your browser to www.dpreview.com then join

- Lighting forum to learn more about "Studio Lighting"

- Retouch forum to learn more about post processing (retouching)

    There are lot of those similar out there, but I just can't remember all
the name.  There is a web forum call something like retouch-pro or something
like that I believe it has been around for more/less 10 years and last time
I checked (few years ago) and the activity was very high.
 
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