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I have a large number of family photographs - a large carton full of prints, slides and negatives - that I need to go through, sort out, and organise into some form of appropriate permanent storage. Some just need to be safely archived, others will go into albums. What can I buy that will be good for archiving them well, that will keep them flat? Some of the colour prints from the 1970s are quite faded. Is this just old age, or perhaps poor storage? Daniele >I have a large number of family photographs - a large carton full of > prints, slides and negatives - that I need to go through, sort out, and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Daniele Hello Daniele. I've inherited boxes of family photos. I plan to scan them onto my PC so that I can preserve them in their original form on a hard drive. I can then print them onto pages as needed. Use a search engine to find archival quality photo storage. "Acid free" is also a term that you could use. The fading could be due to ageing or poor storage. Some makes of photo pager aged quite badly. Best wishes, Rog. --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net --- >>I have a large number of family photographs - a large carton full of >> prints, slides and negatives - that I need to go through, sort out, and [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net --- Don't rely on a hard drive as your only backup they do fail as do DVDs and CDs. Multiple backups onto various media seems to be reasonable idea. John. >>>I have a large number of family photographs - a large carton full of >>> prints, slides and negatives - that I need to go through, sort out, and [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > John. Definitely. But hopefully, affordable network storage devices with RAID, suitable for ordinary mortals, will be along fairly soon. Anyone got any recommendations? >>>>I have a large number of family photographs - a large carton full of >>>> prints, slides and negatives - that I need to go through, sort out, and [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > ordinary mortals, will be along fairly soon. Anyone got any > recommendations? Hello again. I thought about archiving to DVD but they only hold 4.7GB. I use several external hard drives and usually add a new one into the archiving every 18 months or so. Regards, Rog. --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net --- >>>> I have a large number of family photographs - a large carton full of >>>> prints, slides and negatives - that I need to go through, sort out, and [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > for ordinary mortals, will be along fairly soon. Anyone got any > recommendations? A Windows Home Server? It doesn't use RAID, as that's a bit restricting. Instead, it still duplicates files across 2 drives, but allows you to have a random collection of all sorts of drives attached to the server. What's more, it'll do your PC backups for you as well. They're not expensive - you can even build your own from an old PC and some disk drives. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/windowshomeserver/default.mspx http://blogs.technet.com/homeserver/ Another alternative is the various on-line storage solutions available - if you trust them never to lose your data. >>>> I have a large number of family photographs - a large carton full of >>>> prints, slides and negatives - that I need to go through, sort out, and [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > for ordinary mortals, will be along fairly soon. Anyone got any > recommendations? A Windows Home Server? It doesn't use RAID, as that's a bit restricting. Instead, it still duplicates files across 2 drives, but allows you to have a random collection of all sorts of drives attached to the server. What's more, it'll do your PC backups for you as well. They're not expensive - you can even build your own from an old PC and some disk drives. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/windowshomeserver/default.mspx http://blogs.technet.com/homeserver/ Another alternative is the various on-line storage solutions available - if you trust them never to lose your data. > > But hopefully, affordable network storage devices with RAID, > > suitable for ordinary mortals, will be along fairly soon. Anyone > > got any recommendations? > > A Windows Home Server? Why bother when you can do it with Linux? >> > But hopefully, affordable network storage devices with RAID, >> > suitable for ordinary mortals, will be along fairly soon. Anyone [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Why bother when you can do it with Linux? Which one? Over half the 450 different distributions are obsolete and unsupported... :-( Then there are the security holes.....  Signature\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ > >Why bother when you can do it with Linux? > > Which one? Over half the 450 different distributions are obsolete and > unsupported... :-( So pick one that isn't going to go away soon - Redhat, SuSE or one of the popular Debian-based ones. > Then there are the security holes..... Like Windows doesn't have them? It's not really going to matter if it's only talking to machines on your LAN and running restricted software anyway, because a load of stuff can be stopped at the firewall and a load more is only picked up from mail and browsers, which needn't be running on the server. >> >Why bother when you can do it with Linux? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >So pick one that isn't going to go away soon - Redhat, SuSE or one of >the popular Debian-based ones. You know I heard people say that 10 years ago over the Linux flavour of the month and half of them are now gone..... >> Then there are the security holes..... >> >Like Windows doesn't have them? It does but the are single source and no one other than MS can put them in. With Linux holes can be put in asynchronously at any point at any time in any of the 200+ different distributions. The same is true of the compilers. Also as the source is available anyone can get hold of your version put a hack in, rebuild it etc... Signature\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ >>> >Why bother when you can do it with Linux? >>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Also as the source is available anyone can get hold of your version put > a hack in, rebuild it etc... How do you trust your NetGear NAS? You do know what OS NetGear use to drive their NAS devices don't you? Yup, it's Linux, how will you sleep tonight? Stop believing the FUD being spread by MS. Do a little research and see how many governments and multi-nationals are ditching MS in favour of this unsafe, insecure OS which you fear, it really isn't so bad. Justin. SignatureJustin C, by the sea. And verily, didst Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org> hastily babble thusly: >>So pick one that isn't going to go away soon - Redhat, SuSE or one of >>the popular Debian-based ones. > > You know I heard people say that 10 years ago over the Linux flavour of > the month and half of them are now gone..... And yet all the main distributions that existed back then are still around. It's open source, it can be forked and fly-by-nights can be setup and vanish all the time. Big deal. Don't like it, just stick with the big boys. The ones still around from 10 years ago btw... Include: Red Hat, Mandriva (changed their name from Mandrake after the publishers of mandrake the magician sued), Debian, Slackware, SuSE, Turbolinux (for the oriental types mainly, I believe). Alas, Caldera had a nervous breakdown, bought out a unix company and turned into the most reviled technology company in the history of the world... Only took them a year to do it too. Unbelievably, they're still clinging on to life. Some of the new kids on the block who're gonna be sticking around for a long time include Ubuntu and Fedora. >>> Then there are the security holes..... >>> >>Like Windows doesn't have them? > > It does but the are single source and no one other than MS can put them > in. That's not how it WORKS. You think security holes are "put in"? Intentionally? They're included DURING the writing process as unintentioned errors, mistakes, bugs. The important thing is how quickly they can be removed, and microsoft does not have a good record on that. Some security bugs have been around for well over ten years in windows, carrying over to each new version since NT3.5 and only fixed recently, if at all. > With Linux holes can be put in asynchronously at any point at any time > in any of the 200+ different distributions. The same is true of the > compilers. You're reversing the argument in a VERY stupid way. Bugs are located and fixed. They aren't deliberately sneaked in. So while you say "microsoft is a single source and can only add so many security holes, while linux can get thousands sneaked in", that ACTUAL argument is "Microsoft has far fewer developers to locate the bugs, while linux has many many eyes all over the world who can spot them, report them and fix them" The actual fact is, bugs reported in linux get fixed far faster on average then those reported in windows. > Also as the source is available anyone can get hold of your version put > a hack in, rebuild it etc... and then try to get people to use it... The whole point of open source is the ability to make changes that suit you. Just because you changed your version of the source to include a back door that would allow you to gain access to other people's systems doesn't mean your version would automatically get taken up by the community. It would be examined, diffed, the hole would be found and MAYBE if you added anything that did make an improvement, that would be upstreamed. The hole wouldn't. Otherwise your patch would be rejected and you'd be blocked as an idiot. | spike1@freenet.co.uk | | | Andrew Halliwell BSc | "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't | | in | suck is probably the day they start making | | Computer science | vacuum cleaners" - Ernst Jan Plugge | >But hopefully, affordable network storage devices with RAID, suitable >for ordinary mortals, will be along fairly soon. Anyone got any >recommendations? Netgear ReadyNAS Pro Pioneer. I have one with 6*1TB drives gives me 4.5Tb of RAID6 (should be able to recover any two drives failing.) Total cost less that 1400 GBP. Bought it about 5 months ago. I got that for my business and there are cheaper options. The 6 drive chassis (empty) is about 750 GBP and you add the drives you want from a list of recommended drives. You can run with any number from 1-6 and it will expand with you. I think can hold a maximum of 16Tb.... 10 years ago I doubt there was anyone anywhere (including governments) who had 16TB in one place. Let alone under a desk. I went for the 1tb drives at about 55GBP each. The other thing you MUST have is a decent UPS with auto shutdown NetGear recommend a set that work with the ready NAS an APC unit will cost about 60GBP so for 1500 GBP you get 4.5TB or RAID6 with power conditioning/backup. BTW it will alos turn itself on and off at set times and to a whole host of admin and sharing options. So you can let the kids have access to one area but not others where you keep your experimental pictures of the spouse... As I said there are cheaper options fron Netgear starting at systems with 2 or 4 drives. Lacie do similar but you have to buy the drives from them in caddies (expensive) Buffalo do similar. As for storage and back up I run a PPC G5 Mac with a 1Tb second hard drive for my picture library. As I use Lightroom it always prompts for a back up when importing files the back up goes to an external 1Tb Lacie fire wire drive. Every week the library is back up to the Ready NAS box. (We back up other things to the NAS as well. ) So at any one time there are 2 or 3 copies of any picture. Now I know people say hard drives don't last for ever.... none of mine are over 10 years old. The data on them is up to 20 years old. As we upgrade PC's and storage the data is moved. The only problem is if there is nothing to read the file format. So archive the tools for reading it. If you use a Nikon or Canon you are fire proof. As they have something like 80% of the market there will always be a decoder for their file formats. Signature\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ >>But hopefully, affordable network storage devices with RAID, suitable >>for ordinary mortals, will be along fairly soon. Anyone got any [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > anyone anywhere (including governments) who had 16TB in one place. Let > alone under a desk. When I joined the CEGB, their mainframes at Park Street were supposed to have the biggest RAM in the UK outside the military and security services; something like 938k, as I recall. (Admittedly it would have been 16 bit). > I went for the 1tb drives at about 55GBP each. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > As I said there are cheaper options fron Netgear starting at systems > with 2 or 4 drives. Yes, I bid for one of these a while ago on eBay but lost. They are still a bit pricey for the ordinary punter. I manage my domestic backups "by hand" with a combination of USB drives and memory sticks, but I can't help thinking there is a market opportunity there for someone who can put together a friendly package. A pair terabyte drives and a box for £200? Changing the subject slightly, I read an article recently that claimed modern hard drives didn't really need a UPS but would survive power trips without corrupting data. >> As I said there are cheaper options fron Netgear starting at systems >> with 2 or 4 drives. >> >Yes, I bid for one of these a while ago on eBay but lost. Why bid? Why not buy one? > They are still a bit pricey for the ordinary punter. Really? How much was your camera and lens? > I manage my domestic backups "by hand" with a combination of USB >drives and memory sticks, but I can't help thinking there is a market >opportunity there for someone who can put together a friendly package. >A pair terabyte drives and a box for £200? That has been done... Netgear, Buffalo Lacie etc etc etc > Changing the subject slightly, I read an article recently that claimed >modern hard drives didn't really need a UPS but would survive power >trips without corrupting data. Possible.... You want to take the chance? As it is my UPS not only holds power over blips when the power dies but also spikes, over voltage and lighting strikes on the line etc. Also the problem is the lost of a small amount of data can fill a complete file. Signature\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ > >I have a large number of family photographs - a large carton full of > > prints, slides and negatives - that I need to go through, sort out, and > > organise into some form of appropriate permanent storage. > > > > Some just need to be safely archived, others will go into albums. > I've inherited boxes of family photos. I plan to scan them onto my PC so > that I can preserve them in their original form on a hard drive. I can then > print them onto pages as needed. I have never understood the attraction of that, for photographs. Obviously, for stuff that needs to be archived in order to keep a record, digitising makes a lot of sense, but I would find much less pleasure in digitised photographs. > Use a search engine to find archival quality photo storage. "Acid free" is > also a term that you could use. Thanks. I bought a couple of these: <http://www.arcare.com/Store/Products/Photographic-Storage/Photograph-St orage/Photo-Storage-Boxes> and they will keep the pictures safer while we organise them, and put some into albums. Daniele > >I have a large number of family photographs - a large carton full of > > prints, slides and negatives - that I need to go through, sort out, and > > organise into some form of appropriate permanent storage. > Use a search engine to find archival quality photo storage. "Acid free" is > also a term that you could use. I found: <http://www.preservationequipment.com/Store/Products/Archival-Storage/Bo xes/Oversize-Photo-Storage-Boxes> Though it seems they are out of stock. Can anyone recommend something similar? Daniele In message <1jfgh3o.qpmqu2729ogN%real-not-anti-spam-address@apple- juice.co.uk>, D.M. Procida <real-not-anti-spam-address@apple- juice.co.uk> writes >> >I have a large number of family photographs - a large carton full of >> > prints, slides and negatives - that I need to go through, sort out, and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Though it seems they are out of stock. Can anyone recommend something >similar? Should have gone to vision on imaging at the NEC last week... lots of stuff like that. However as I was not interested I can't remember who but there were several archive/storage systems on show Signature\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ |
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