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Photo Forum / General Photo Topics / UK Photography / December 2008Ilfochreom slide film from around 1985, what was it?
I have a number of 35mm slide films taken during 1985 where I have noted down the film as "Ilfochrome". It looks as if I processed these films myself, would they have been an E6 process or what? I've done quite a bit of Google searching but the results get swamped by Ilfochrome (ex Cibachrome) paper so I haven't had much luck. I can remember most of the other stuff I processed myself (e.g. Ektachrome E6 and the Agfachrome which *wasn't* E6) but this Ilfochrome just doesn't ring a bell with me.  SignatureChris Green > I have a number of 35mm slide films taken during 1985 where I have noted > down the film as "Ilfochrome". It looks as if I processed these films [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Ektachrome E6 and the Agfachrome which *wasn't* E6) but this > Ilfochrome just doesn't ring a bell with me. Ilfochrome is the current name for the old Cibachrome. It is an archival, very good print format for making optical prints from slides. They do make a transparency product, but it is also designed to print on from slides, resulting in a large "backlit" transparency. I don't remember and cannot find reference to a 35mm Ilfochrome. Perhaps the OP had originally noted the slides for future printing on Ilfochrome. SignatureMichael > > I have a number of 35mm slide films taken during 1985 where I have noted > > down the film as "Ilfochrome". It looks as if I processed these films [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > remember and cannot find reference to a 35mm Ilfochrome. Perhaps the OP > had originally noted the slides for future printing on Ilfochrome. No, it definitely has nothing to do (apart from the name) with the Ilfochrome that used to be Cibachrome. I even have one box of slides that I *didn't* process myself which have "Ilfochrome" on the plastic slide mounts. All the ones I have were taken in 1984 and 1985, it looks as if I might have bought six or ten films a one time at a special price or something like that. SignatureChris Green > No, it definitely has nothing to do (apart from the name) with the > Ilfochrome that used to be Cibachrome. Where does it it say was the country of manufacture? You could usually work out who'd made it from that. IIRC, the usual suspects were: Germany - Agfa ; Japan - Konica or Fuji; Italy - 3M >> No, it definitely has nothing to do (apart from the name) with the >> Ilfochrome that used to be Cibachrome. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Japan - Konica or Fuji; > Italy - 3M There may be a clue on the rebate. Agfa made Boots slide film a while back and, whilt it left its own name off, it's quite obvious on inspection. > > No, it definitely has nothing to do (apart from the name) with the > > Ilfochrome that used to be Cibachrome. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Japan - Konica or Fuji; > Italy - 3M Where would I see "the country of manufacture"? All I have is several sets of mounted slides, no cassettes or anyhthing else like that. I suppose I could unmount some slides and look to see if there's anything in the film margin. SignatureChris Green >>> No, it definitely has nothing to do (apart from the name) with the >>> Ilfochrome that used to be Cibachrome. >> Where does it it say was the country of manufacture? > Where would I see "the country of manufacture"? All I have is several > sets of mounted slides, no cassettes or anyhthing else like that. I > suppose I could unmount some slides and look to see if there's > anything in the film margin. Sorry, I misread your original post thinking you had _unprocessed_ Ilfochrome film. There's a mention of Ilfochcrome slide film here (1982): http://www.photomemorabilia.co.uk/Ilford/Chronology.html "Ilford return to the world of colour films (which they left at the start of 1969) with the re-introduction of an Ilfochrome colour slide film, named Ifochrome 100. An E6 process compatible film, priced £1.60 for a 20exp 35mm and £2.08 for a 36exposure. An Ilfochrome RP6 500cc processing kit (suitable for all E6 reversal films) was priced at £6.25, sufficient to process eight 24exp or five 36exp films. The film was not (?) marketed for more than a few years." No mention of manufacturer, but the 1984 entry implies that Sakura (later Konica) were the makers of Ilforcolor print film, so it wouldn't be much of a leap to assume that they made the slide film too. > >>> No, it definitely has nothing to do (apart from the name) with the > >>> Ilfochrome that used to be Cibachrome. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > (later Konica) were the makers of Ilforcolor print film, so it wouldn't > be much of a leap to assume that they made the slide film too. That sounds about right, thank you! So it was E6 (and thus I could have processed some of them myself) and the dates are right. SignatureChris Green > No mention of manufacturer, but the 1984 entry implies that Sakura > (later Konica) were the makers of Ilforcolor print film, so it wouldn't > be much of a leap to assume that they made the slide film too. We were responsible for test shots on Ilfochrome and Ilfocolor issued by Ilford, and used in exhibitions, in 1984. The slide film was Konicachrome 100 (not Sakurachrome, it was already available as Konica as that time) and the neg films were Konicacolor 100 and 400. Shirley and I shot, to commission, over 1000 varied pix on each stock and visited southern Spain for the purpose as they were needed within 14 days. All were contact printed using new Ilford processes. Ilford continued to use Konica for colour film but it failed to sell. Not long after this, they gave away all their remaining stock. My company received 20,000 rolls of film - both slie and print - which we gave away free to magazine subscribers at our own cost for postage and packing. More stock was given to other publishers. This did briefly improve sales, but ultimately, the unforgiving nature of Konicachrome (exceptionally neutral colour, to the point of being cold, with high contrast and very fine grain) made the slide film less popular than warmer materials from Fuji. David > > No mention of manufacturer, but the 1984 entry implies that Sakura > > (later Konica) were the makers of Ilforcolor print film, so it wouldn't [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > contrast and very fine grain) made the slide film less popular than > warmer materials from Fuji. Thank you! That fits in very well with my evidence (such as it is). My Ilfochrome slides are much as you describe with a tendency to be rather on the dark side as well and, as you say, not very warm. SignatureChris Green >> No, it definitely has nothing to do (apart from the name) with the >> Ilfochrome that used to be Cibachrome. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Japan - Konica or Fuji; > Italy - 3M I'd take a wild stab and say it was manufactured in the UK the Ilford factory is about 10 miles from me in Mobberley Cheshire though they have all but left the film market there is still a website at http://www.ilford.com/en/ up to 10 years ago we were airfreighting roll film and plate for them weekly by the tonnes. For a period they were part of the Ciba -Geigy group. DerekW >>> No, it definitely has nothing to do (apart from the name) with the >>> Ilfochrome that used to be Cibachrome. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > film and plate for them weekly by the tonnes. For a period they were part of > the Ciba -Geigy group. Konica, and packaged in Mobberley. David >>>> No, it definitely has nothing to do (apart from the name) with the >>>> Ilfochrome that used to be Cibachrome. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > David Sounds a bit like today then, trail items twice round the world to sell to americans. You would think it would make more sense to send them to the US direct for packaging we did ship to Japan as well though I dont recall what product just very large pallet boxes, couldn't be ilfochrome could it ? more likely HP5 FP4 and paper. Derek > >> No, it definitely has nothing to do (apart from the name) with the > >> Ilfochrome that used to be Cibachrome. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > factory is about 10 miles from me in Mobberley Cheshire though they > have all but left the film market The Mobberley operation was taken over by Harman Technologies who make a full range of Ilford B&W film, paper and chemicals as well as offering B&W developing and printing. http://www.ilfordphoto.com/ >I'd take a wild stab and say it was manufactured in the UK It was made in Japan, by Konishiroku Photo Industry Co. Ltd., also known as "Konica". Konishiroku made Japan's first colour film in 1940, under the Sakura brand which survived for several decades before being changed to Konica. >the Ilford >factory is about 10 miles from me in Mobberley Cheshire though they have all >but left the film market Ilford's photographic film sales have grown every year for the past 3-4 years. There has been a decline in sales of X-ray film which has largely been replaced by digital technology. > I have a number of 35mm slide films taken during 1985 where I have noted > down the film as "Ilfochrome". It looks as if I processed these films [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Ektachrome E6 and the Agfachrome which *wasn't* E6) but this > Ilfochrome just doesn't ring a bell with me. I remember Ilfochrome film, I used it for a while as it was quite cheap. I have a feeling it may have been rebadged Agfachrome, I feel sure Ilford bought it in from someone else anyhow as they were only really known for making b/w film themselves. Are you sure the 1980's Agfachrome wasn't E6? I thought pretty much all slide films of that era were E6. The only non-E6 film I can recall using back then was Ektachrome Infra Red which I think was an old E4 emulsion. >> I have a number of 35mm slide films taken during 1985 where I have noted >> down the film as "Ilfochrome". It looks as if I processed these films [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > slide films of that era were E6. The only non-E6 film I can recall using > back then was Ektachrome Infra Red which I think was an old E4 emulsion. I think you are right about Agfachrome, although you are ignoring the one great non E6 (or E4 or E2 in their day) film, then and now, which is Kodachrome. SignatureMichael > > I have a number of 35mm slide films taken during 1985 where I have noted > > down the film as "Ilfochrome". It looks as if I processed these films [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > bought it in from someone else anyhow as they were only really known for > making b/w film themselves. That could well be it, I probably bought quite a lot at one go. I lived in the Middle East at the time and bought film when I came home to the UK on leave. I did find one reference suggesting that Ilfochrome was re-badged Fujichrome. > Are you sure the 1980's Agfachrome wasn't E6? I thought pretty much all > slide films of that era were E6. The only non-E6 film I can recall using > back then was Ektachrome Infra Red which I think was an old E4 emulsion. I think it changed in the late 1980s, the Agfachrome that I used as my main film from 1981 through to about 1985 or 1986 was most definitely not E6. It was an easier process (IMHO) for home processing as the temperature for the chemicals was very close to ambient (at least in the Middle East!) whereas E6 chemicals had to be well above ambient. I bought the film in bulk and the chemicals from a company somewhere in Hertfordshire - like Hoddesden, or Ware I think. SignatureChris Green >>> I have a number of 35mm slide films taken during 1985 where I have noted >>> down the film as "Ilfochrome". It looks as if I processed these films [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > I bought the film in bulk and the chemicals from a company somewhere > in Hertfordshire - like Hoddesden, or Ware I think. Agfachrome was definitely a different process until the late 80s. I still have all mine; it was distinctively European in colour rendering and quite grainy compared with Kodachrome. I changed shortly after starting photography in about 1977 and never went back. After a few years in which I didn't have to pay for slide film I went back to it and it had turned into an E6 process- Kodak bought the Deer Park Road lab and Agfa processing went to Bury, IIRC. That must have been about 1988 or 9. > >>> I have a number of 35mm slide films taken during 1985 where I have noted > >>> down the film as "Ilfochrome". It looks as if I processed these films [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > and quite grainy compared with Kodachrome. I changed shortly after > starting photography in about 1977 and never went back. Ah, thank you, at least it proves my memory is about right. I'm still stuck on the Ilfochrome though! :-) > After a few years in which I didn't have to pay for slide film I went > back to it and it had turned into an E6 process- Kodak bought the Deer > Park Road lab and Agfa processing went to Bury, IIRC. That must have > been about 1988 or 9. SignatureChris Green > That could well be it, I probably bought quite a lot at one go. I > lived in the Middle East at the time and bought film when I came home > to the UK on leave. I did find one reference suggesting that > Ilfochrome was re-badged Fujichrome. No Ilford film was ever rebadged Fuji. Barfen film was repackaged bulk E-6 Fujichrome 100, and so were various other UK 'odd brands'. David > > I can remember most of the other stuff I processed myself (e.g. > > Ektachrome E6 and the Agfachrome which *wasn't* E6) but this [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > slide films of that era were E6. The only non-E6 film I can recall using > back then was Ektachrome Infra Red which I think was an old E4 emulsion. I've found the "non-E6" information! The chemicals and bulk film came from a company called Lingcolor in Hitchin (well, it is Hertfordshire!). There were three types of film available, Agfachrome 50S, Agfachrome 50L and Agfachrome 100. The processing times were given for temperatures from 20 to 24.4 celsius which suited me very well. I got very consistent results from the process whereas I sometimes had problems with E6. I have a note on one of the Lingcolor sheets saying "1st pack made up on 14/Dec/1984". Another pack has dates through 1985 and 1986. I can find no references at all to them now. I suppose it's possible that the Lingcolor kits were actually E6 but I'm pretty sure they were marketed as being compatible only with the Agfachrome films of the time. (The main Agfa slide film available then was "Agfacolor CT18") SignatureChris Green >>> I can remember most of the other stuff I processed myself (e.g. >>> Ektachrome E6 and the Agfachrome which *wasn't* E6) but this [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Agfachrome films of the time. (The main Agfa slide film available > then was "Agfacolor CT18") Those sound like the professional stocks- S(short, as in exposure) for flash, and L probably tungsten. Vericolor then had a similar designation. There were a few non-Kodak low temperature E6 kits back then IIRC. I don't think the Agfa process was very different from E6. >>> I can remember most of the other stuff I processed myself (e.g. >>> Ektachrome E6 and the Agfachrome which *wasn't* E6) but this [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Agfachrome films of the time. (The main Agfa slide film available > then was "Agfacolor CT18") All Agfa professional materials from Agfachrome 50*R*S were E6 (the earlier materials without the R in the name are Agfachrome process). All Agfachrome CT materials were not E6 until CT100 etc - those labelled with DIN speeds like CT18 were the unique Agfa process.\ David |
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