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JPEG vs RAW

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David - 25 Aug 2008 16:49 GMT
I have seen advice offered to inexperienced photographers that it is
better to shoot RAW  rather than JPEG. I assumed it was a graduation
in seriousness from JPEG to RAW; but now I think I see.
    I was dissatisfied with most of my JPEGs, so I started shooting RAW
just to see what all the fuss was about. Now I see what massive
capacity there is to change what you shot! Some of my shots have been
off exposure by 1 1/2 stops, but were still capable of full correction
in PS. As I process, I try to think about why the shots needed the
specific corrections applied. (I can usually pin it down to wrong
camera settings; like choice of metering area, for instance.) When my
images no longer need modidication before converting to JPEGs, I'll
know I can shoot straight JPEG.

Regards
David
Alex Monro - 26 Aug 2008 11:54 GMT
> I have seen advice offered to inexperienced photographers that it is
> better to shoot RAW  rather than JPEG. I assumed it was a graduation
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> images no longer need modidication before converting to JPEGs, I'll
> know I can shoot straight JPEG.

There are a few other advantages to RAW which still apply, even if you
nail the exposure spot on.  One is the ability to adjust the white
balance in post processing.  Another is the wider dynamic range
recorded, which allows you to use tone mapping in post processing to
reveal a greater range of light intensities, from the shadows to
highlights, without them blocking up as black or burning out to white.

This is particularly useful for high contrast subjects, such as
landscapes in bright conditions.  Studio shots, of course, give you
more control of the light to enable you to keep it within the dynamic
range of jpeg.
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Alex Monro
Exeter, UK
Running on Linux (Kubuntu 7.1)

David - 26 Aug 2008 18:43 GMT
On 26 Aug, 11:54, Alex Monro <nospamdeleteabusen...@argaty.org.uk>
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> Exeter, UK
> Running on Linux (Kubuntu 7.1)

Funny you should mention 'landscapes in bright conditions'. Guess
which type of shot needed the 1 1/2 stops correction !
Just as well that I enjoy the PP almost as much as being out there
with the camera.

Regards,
David
Marty Fremen - 28 Aug 2008 21:14 GMT
> On 26 Aug, 11:54, Alex Monro <nospamdeleteabusen...@argaty.org.uk>
>> There are a few other advantages to RAW which still apply, even if you
>> nail the exposure spot on.

Two general advantages of raw spring to mind.

One is that JPEG is limited to 8 bits per channel in dynamic range, whereas
raw gives you the full bit depth the sensor is capable of. Compact cameras
may inherently not have much more than 8 usable bits of dynamic range but
SLRs will have up to 14 (the raw file will probably be 16 bits per channel
but the lower bits will only be noise).

The second advantage is that the in-camera noise processing is not applied
to the raw, which means you will retain more shadow detail. With my Ricoh
GX100, despite Ricoh having quite a light touch in jpeg noise reduction,
there is nevertheless a lot more shadow detail in raws than jpegs. If you
have, say, a Panasonic camera, the difference is likely to be immense.

The third of the two advantages is that other in-camera processing is also
avoided, notably film effect highlights. By film effect I mean the abrupt
digital cutoff of highlight detail is often ameleorated by in-camera
processing which progressively attenuates the highlights to emulate the
shoulder found in film. This means that usable highlight detail is being
bleached out in order to prevent the scarring of a sudden cutoff. With raw,
all the tonal detail is retained up to the cutoff point. (A raw processor
like Ufraw can reinstate the film effect if scarred highlights are a
problem.)
Rob - 06 Sep 2008 09:16 GMT
> I have seen advice offered to inexperienced photographers that it is
> better to shoot RAW  rather than JPEG. I assumed it was a graduation
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> Regards
> David

Thank you for your message on uk.rec.photo.  I have just posted a sob
story on my new Fuji Pro S5 camera.  But by the look of it shooting
Raw files seem to be a better option

To quote you " As I process, I try to think about why the shots needed
the specific corrections applied......."  you have been an eye opener.

Could I ask what program you use to edit Raw files

Thanks

Rob
David - 24 Sep 2008 17:42 GMT
> > I have seen advice offered to inexperienced photographers that it is
> > better to shoot RAW  rather than JPEG. I assumed it was a graduation
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>
> Rob

Rob, I use PS CS3, importing my images as RAW of course, automatically
opens ACR. The tools I use are still the 'basic' set, with occasional
excursions into that one with individual colour sliders. Still
learning ! (And still making the same old mistakes, like failing to
check ALL camera settings after a lens change.)

The points made by Alex and Marty are well received. Honestly, I
cannot see myself going back to JPEG anytime soon. The only exception
was when I tested a lens in a camera shop recently, and anticipated
makeing comparisons in the shop (took them home in the end).

Regards,
David
 
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