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A man was labelled a terrorist after he took a picture of a police car parked at a bus stop.

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MB - 30 Jul 2008 00:28 GMT
PORTSMOUTH NEWS

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/Quizzed-over-terrorism-and-all.4332791.jp

Quizzed over terrorism... and all for taking this photograph

Published Date: 29 July 2008
By Chris Owen Chief reporter

A man was labelled a terrorist after he took a picture of a police car
parked at a bus stop.

David Gates found himself being questioned under the Terrorism Act after he
spotted the BMW in the middle of the box reserved for buses, and decided to
capture the image on his phone - apparently falling foul of the anti-terror
law in the process.

Mr Gates was then questioned by two officers who asked why he had snapped
the picture of their vehicle, and they told him he was being quizzed under
the Terrorism Act 2000 because the picture could pose a security risk.

They also said this law gave them the right to use stop-and-search powers.

Mr Gates, 42, saw the car in New Road, Copnor, Portsmouth, while the
officers were knocking at a door.

He said: 'I explained I'd taken the picture as their car was parked
illegally, and taking a photograph in public was not illegal.

'I told them I thought using the Terrorism Act and suspecting me of being a
terrorist was ridiculous.'

Mr Gates, an account manager, of St Andrew's Road, Southsea, said he
co-operated with the officers and gave his details, which were checked. He
was told the record of the incident would be kept on file for a year.

Mike Hancock, the Lib Dem MP for Portsmouth South, said: 'The whole thing
is quite bizarre. I don't have a problem with them parking at the bus stop,
but I do have a problem with them using this legislation for something
trivial like this and keeping it for a year.

'If this was used in Portsmouth 50 times in a year, the statistics would
make the city look like a hotbed of terrorism.'

Superintendent Neil Sherrington, the deputy commander for Portsmouth
police, said: 'Officers are given powers under the Terrorism Act to stop
and search.

'The act states that "this power can only be used for the purposes of
searching for articles of a kind which could be used in connection with
terrorism, and may be exercised whether or not the constable has grounds
for suspecting the presence of articles of that kind".'

He added: 'It is therefore reasonable for the officer in this case to have
made reference to the act and been suspicious about why the photograph of
the vehicle had been taken.'

He said the officers were dealing with a domestic incident in New Road, and
could find nowhere else to park.
Poldie - 30 Jul 2008 00:38 GMT
> Mr Gates was then questioned by two officers who asked why he had snapped
> the picture of their vehicle, and they told him he was being quizzed under
> the Terrorism Act 2000 because the picture could pose a security risk.

Did they say how?   Perhaps they were worried terrorists would study the
photo and come up with a foolproof list of ways with which to
distinguish police cars from normal cars.

> He said the officers were dealing with a domestic incident in New Road, and
> could find nowhere else to park.

I'll have to remember that one next time I get a parking ticket.
MB - 30 Jul 2008 00:47 GMT
>> Mr Gates was then questioned by two officers who asked why he had
>> snapped the picture of their vehicle, and they told him he was being
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> photo and come up with a foolproof list of ways with which to distinguish
> police cars from normal cars.

Perhaps they think AQ are going to collect the registration numbers of
police cars to identify them when even the IRA might have noticed the large
fluorescent markings on the side.

I hope the photographer has made a formal complain to the Independent
Police Complaints Commission.

You can just imagine in the famous case of the LAPD and Rodney King, if had
happened in the UK then the photographer would have been detained under the
Terrorism Act.
Rob Morley - 30 Jul 2008 01:13 GMT
> You can just imagine in the famous case of the LAPD and Rodney King,
> if had happened in the UK then the photographer would have been
> detained under the Terrorism Act.

I'm pretty sure that if the perpetrators of that incident had got hold
of the photographer they'd have beaten the sh.t out of him and smashed
his camera rather than just taking his details.
MB - 30 Jul 2008 01:29 GMT
>> You can just imagine in the famous case of the LAPD and Rodney King,
>> if had happened in the UK then the photographer would have been
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> of the photographer they'd have beaten the sh.t out of him and smashed
> his camera rather than just taking his details.

I am sure the British police are quite capable of that also but the common
factor is using their position and powers to try to suppress something
possibly embarrassing to the police.  If the police in Portsmouth were
involved in a legitimate enquiry then they had nothing to fear by the way
that their vehicle was parked being photographed. I suspect that, as
usually happens with the police, they will told that they acted stupidly
but their senior officers will not admit that in public.

MB
Grimly Curmudgeon - 14 Aug 2008 14:29 GMT
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "MB" <mb@invalid.invalid> saying
something like:

>Perhaps they think AQ are going to collect the registration numbers of
>police cars to identify them

Hah. A useful purpose would be to collect the reg numbers so the cars
can be identified and avoided at the used auctions later.
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Rob Morley - 30 Jul 2008 01:11 GMT
> I'll have to remember that one next time I get a parking ticket.

Why not just remember to park legally instead?
Chris H - 30 Jul 2008 09:24 GMT
>> Mr Gates was then questioned by two officers who asked why he had
>>snapped  the picture of their vehicle, and they told him he was being
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>the photo and come up with a foolproof list of ways with which to
>distinguish police cars from normal cars.

That has happened with Q cars in NI.  However it is hardly grounds for
the TA2K to be used.

BTW was it a marked police car of unmarked, were the officers in
Uniform?

>> He said the officers were dealing with a domestic incident in New
>>Road, and  could find nowhere else to park.
>
>I'll have to remember that one next time I get a parking ticket.

Me to.
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savvo - 30 Jul 2008 12:06 GMT
>>I'll have to remember that one next time I get a parking ticket.
>
> Me to.

Not only a racist, but a recidivist criminal, eh?

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MB - 30 Jul 2008 13:32 GMT
>>> Mr Gates was then questioned by two officers who asked why he had
>>> snapped  the picture of their vehicle, and they told him he was being
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> BTW was it a marked police car of unmarked, were the officers in Uniform?

The picture looked like an ordinary marked police car which is presumably
why he noticed it.

MB
Chris H - 30 Jul 2008 14:19 GMT
>>>> Mr Gates was then questioned by two officers who asked why he had
>>>> snapped  the picture of their vehicle, and they told him he was being
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>The picture looked like an ordinary marked police car which is presumably
>why he noticed it.

Then I suggest you see....

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/240907_uk_filming_police_offence.html

Before the links list commences, and for the benefit of those who
haven't heard of this, or who are located outside the UK, which is
rapidly becoming an Orwellian police state fuelled by state induced fear
and paranoia, these are the original advert that the UK police printed
in national and local newspapers all over the country.
http://www.met.police.uk/campaigns/campaign_ct_2008.htm

And now for the excellent parodies....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rubin110/2311540111/sizes/o/
http://craphound.com/images/fearmongering.png.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2314/2312810016_6b1b442ac4.jpg?v=0
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rickcortes/2312095821/sizes/o/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nalsa/2312178629/sizes/o/
http://www.glyphjockey.com/pix08/londonmeowing.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2330/2312332700_5a97b7f5eb_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3286/2312216099_c1e94406c7_o.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24405297@N07/2312229117/sizes/o/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24405297@N07/2312287355/sizes/o/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/edrabbit/2313365852/sizes/o/
http://www.filenanny.com/files/44f7b9c9f14e0/brain.png
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2063/2312906073_85f22db266.jpg?v=0
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4260/urinalscw2.png
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vorian/2313757074/sizes/o/
http://www.ou1.com/bb/beijing_olympics_sign.jpg
http://foo.notabilis.org/terrorists_odd_numbers.png
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24437939@N06/2312900753/sizes/o/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24497537@N06/2317054169/sizes/o/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipacamaniac/2325299389/sizes/o/in/set-72
157604095013621/

And my personal favourite
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3090/2312975136_fa4eb550b7_o.jpg

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Michael J Davis - 30 Jul 2008 15:15 GMT
Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org> observed
>Then I suggest you see....
>
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>And my personal favourite
>http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3090/2312975136_fa4eb550b7_o.jpg

Thanks Chris, I enjoyed those!

It occurred to me that "a little odd" is a euphemism for "foreign", tut
tut!

Mike

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MB - 30 Jul 2008 17:11 GMT
>>The picture looked like an ordinary marked police car which is presumably
>>why he noticed it.
>
> Then I suggest you see....
>
> http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/240907_uk_filming_police_offence.html

I like the way that they just wander off without apologising, admitting
they were wrong or anything.  Typical.

MB
Chris H - 30 Jul 2008 17:29 GMT
>>>The picture looked like an ordinary marked police car which is presumably
>>>why he noticed it.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>I like the way that they just wander off without apologising, admitting
>they were wrong or anything.  Typical.

The police are Never wrong..... He was just lucky they let him off...

You some sort of bleeding heart liberal? :-)))))))

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Trev - 30 Jul 2008 17:40 GMT
>>>> The picture looked like an ordinary marked police car which is
>>>> presumably why he noticed it.
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>
> You some sort of bleeding heart liberal? :-)))))))

Yes It was not Worth there time, but His name is now in the book. Hope he
does not have a car.

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awavey@yahoo.com - 31 Jul 2008 20:57 GMT
>> The police are Never wrong..... He was just lucky they let him off...
>>
>> You some sort of bleeding heart liberal? :-)))))))
>
>Yes It was not Worth there time, but His name is now in the book. Hope he
>does not have a car.

go watch some of his other videos, they know where he lives....
Chris H - 01 Aug 2008 08:25 GMT
>>> The police are Never wrong..... He was just lucky they let him off...
>>>
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>
>go watch some of his other videos, they know where he lives....

Post the link please.
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Rob Morley - 01 Aug 2008 09:16 GMT
> >go watch some of his other videos, they know where he lives....
>
> Post the link please.

The link already posted has:
//
More of Darren Pollards films & documentaries can be seen here:
http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch...

Darren Pollards website: http://www.dazp5.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
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John - 07 Aug 2008 22:25 GMT
>> >go watch some of his other videos, they know where he lives....
>>
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> Darren Pollards website: http://www.dazp5.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
> //

Clearly he has a chip on his shoulder and doesn't believe in treating
working people (in this case the police) with any decent respect.
Neil Barker - 08 Aug 2008 07:21 GMT
> Clearly he has a chip on his shoulder and doesn't believe in treating
> working people (in this case the police) with any decent respect.

Whatever your opinion of him, troll, PC Plod in this case was totally
incorrect and out of order - "it's against the law to film us", my
arse.

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Chris H - 08 Aug 2008 08:30 GMT
>>> >go watch some of his other videos, they know where he lives....
>>>
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>Clearly he has a chip on his shoulder and doesn't believe in treating
>working people (in this case the police) with any decent respect.

I think his lack of respect of the Police directly stems from the
actions of the Police.
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Dick Bowman - 09 Aug 2008 06:49 GMT
Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote in news:OMfFleFxY
$mIFArc@phaedsys.demon.co.uk:

[... deleted ...]

> I think his lack of respect of the Police directly stems from the
> actions of the Police.

Absolutely.
savvo - 08 Aug 2008 13:40 GMT
>>> >go watch some of his other videos, they know where he lives....
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Clearly he has a chip on his shoulder and doesn't believe in treating
> working people (in this case the police) with any decent respect.

Very little respect for viewers of his website as well. I mean,
seriously, dark blue on black?

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Chris H - 08 Aug 2008 15:42 GMT
>>>> >go watch some of his other videos, they know where he lives....
>>>>
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>Very little respect for viewers of his website as well. I mean,
>seriously, dark blue on black?

I found it impossible to read... and it did not work properly in my
browser

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Rob Morley - 30 Jul 2008 17:42 GMT
> Then I suggest you see....
>
> http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/240907_uk_filming_police_offence.html

That's a classic.   :-)
John - 07 Aug 2008 22:18 GMT
>> Mr Gates was then questioned by two officers who asked why he had snapped
>> the picture of their vehicle, and they told him he was being quizzed
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> I'll have to remember that one next time I get a parking ticket.

So if you call the emergency services due to a personal need - you will be
happy to wait whilst they park somewhere properly? Be reasonable.
 
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