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A man was labelled a terrorist after he took a picture of a police car parked at a bus stop.
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MB - 30 Jul 2008 00:28 GMT PORTSMOUTH NEWS
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/Quizzed-over-terrorism-and-all.4332791.jp
Quizzed over terrorism... and all for taking this photograph
Published Date: 29 July 2008 By Chris Owen Chief reporter
A man was labelled a terrorist after he took a picture of a police car parked at a bus stop.
David Gates found himself being questioned under the Terrorism Act after he spotted the BMW in the middle of the box reserved for buses, and decided to capture the image on his phone - apparently falling foul of the anti-terror law in the process.
Mr Gates was then questioned by two officers who asked why he had snapped the picture of their vehicle, and they told him he was being quizzed under the Terrorism Act 2000 because the picture could pose a security risk.
They also said this law gave them the right to use stop-and-search powers.
Mr Gates, 42, saw the car in New Road, Copnor, Portsmouth, while the officers were knocking at a door.
He said: 'I explained I'd taken the picture as their car was parked illegally, and taking a photograph in public was not illegal.
'I told them I thought using the Terrorism Act and suspecting me of being a terrorist was ridiculous.'
Mr Gates, an account manager, of St Andrew's Road, Southsea, said he co-operated with the officers and gave his details, which were checked. He was told the record of the incident would be kept on file for a year.
Mike Hancock, the Lib Dem MP for Portsmouth South, said: 'The whole thing is quite bizarre. I don't have a problem with them parking at the bus stop, but I do have a problem with them using this legislation for something trivial like this and keeping it for a year.
'If this was used in Portsmouth 50 times in a year, the statistics would make the city look like a hotbed of terrorism.'
Superintendent Neil Sherrington, the deputy commander for Portsmouth police, said: 'Officers are given powers under the Terrorism Act to stop and search.
'The act states that "this power can only be used for the purposes of searching for articles of a kind which could be used in connection with terrorism, and may be exercised whether or not the constable has grounds for suspecting the presence of articles of that kind".'
He added: 'It is therefore reasonable for the officer in this case to have made reference to the act and been suspicious about why the photograph of the vehicle had been taken.'
He said the officers were dealing with a domestic incident in New Road, and could find nowhere else to park.
Poldie - 30 Jul 2008 00:38 GMT > Mr Gates was then questioned by two officers who asked why he had snapped > the picture of their vehicle, and they told him he was being quizzed under > the Terrorism Act 2000 because the picture could pose a security risk. Did they say how? Perhaps they were worried terrorists would study the photo and come up with a foolproof list of ways with which to distinguish police cars from normal cars.
> He said the officers were dealing with a domestic incident in New Road, and > could find nowhere else to park. I'll have to remember that one next time I get a parking ticket.
MB - 30 Jul 2008 00:47 GMT >> Mr Gates was then questioned by two officers who asked why he had >> snapped the picture of their vehicle, and they told him he was being [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > photo and come up with a foolproof list of ways with which to distinguish > police cars from normal cars. Perhaps they think AQ are going to collect the registration numbers of police cars to identify them when even the IRA might have noticed the large fluorescent markings on the side.
I hope the photographer has made a formal complain to the Independent Police Complaints Commission.
You can just imagine in the famous case of the LAPD and Rodney King, if had happened in the UK then the photographer would have been detained under the Terrorism Act.
Rob Morley - 30 Jul 2008 01:13 GMT > You can just imagine in the famous case of the LAPD and Rodney King, > if had happened in the UK then the photographer would have been > detained under the Terrorism Act. I'm pretty sure that if the perpetrators of that incident had got hold of the photographer they'd have beaten the sh.t out of him and smashed his camera rather than just taking his details.
MB - 30 Jul 2008 01:29 GMT >> You can just imagine in the famous case of the LAPD and Rodney King, >> if had happened in the UK then the photographer would have been [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > of the photographer they'd have beaten the sh.t out of him and smashed > his camera rather than just taking his details. I am sure the British police are quite capable of that also but the common factor is using their position and powers to try to suppress something possibly embarrassing to the police. If the police in Portsmouth were involved in a legitimate enquiry then they had nothing to fear by the way that their vehicle was parked being photographed. I suspect that, as usually happens with the police, they will told that they acted stupidly but their senior officers will not admit that in public.
MB
Grimly Curmudgeon - 14 Aug 2008 14:29 GMT We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember "MB" <mb@invalid.invalid> saying something like:
>Perhaps they think AQ are going to collect the registration numbers of >police cars to identify them Hah. A useful purpose would be to collect the reg numbers so the cars can be identified and avoided at the used auctions later.
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Rob Morley - 30 Jul 2008 01:11 GMT > I'll have to remember that one next time I get a parking ticket. Why not just remember to park legally instead?
Chris H - 30 Jul 2008 09:24 GMT >> Mr Gates was then questioned by two officers who asked why he had >>snapped the picture of their vehicle, and they told him he was being [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >the photo and come up with a foolproof list of ways with which to >distinguish police cars from normal cars. That has happened with Q cars in NI. However it is hardly grounds for the TA2K to be used.
BTW was it a marked police car of unmarked, were the officers in Uniform?
>> He said the officers were dealing with a domestic incident in New >>Road, and could find nowhere else to park. > >I'll have to remember that one next time I get a parking ticket. Me to.
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savvo - 30 Jul 2008 12:06 GMT >>I'll have to remember that one next time I get a parking ticket. > > Me to. Not only a racist, but a recidivist criminal, eh?
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MB - 30 Jul 2008 13:32 GMT >>> Mr Gates was then questioned by two officers who asked why he had >>> snapped the picture of their vehicle, and they told him he was being [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > BTW was it a marked police car of unmarked, were the officers in Uniform? The picture looked like an ordinary marked police car which is presumably why he noticed it.
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Chris H - 30 Jul 2008 14:19 GMT >>>> Mr Gates was then questioned by two officers who asked why he had >>>> snapped the picture of their vehicle, and they told him he was being [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >The picture looked like an ordinary marked police car which is presumably >why he noticed it. Then I suggest you see....
http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/240907_uk_filming_police_offence.html
Before the links list commences, and for the benefit of those who haven't heard of this, or who are located outside the UK, which is rapidly becoming an Orwellian police state fuelled by state induced fear and paranoia, these are the original advert that the UK police printed in national and local newspapers all over the country. http://www.met.police.uk/campaigns/campaign_ct_2008.htm
And now for the excellent parodies....
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rubin110/2311540111/sizes/o/ http://craphound.com/images/fearmongering.png.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2314/2312810016_6b1b442ac4.jpg?v=0 http://www.flickr.com/photos/rickcortes/2312095821/sizes/o/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/nalsa/2312178629/sizes/o/ http://www.glyphjockey.com/pix08/londonmeowing.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2330/2312332700_5a97b7f5eb_o.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3286/2312216099_c1e94406c7_o.jpg http://www.flickr.com/photos/24405297@N07/2312229117/sizes/o/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/24405297@N07/2312287355/sizes/o/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/edrabbit/2313365852/sizes/o/ http://www.filenanny.com/files/44f7b9c9f14e0/brain.png http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2063/2312906073_85f22db266.jpg?v=0 http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4260/urinalscw2.png http://www.flickr.com/photos/vorian/2313757074/sizes/o/ http://www.ou1.com/bb/beijing_olympics_sign.jpg http://foo.notabilis.org/terrorists_odd_numbers.png http://www.flickr.com/photos/24437939@N06/2312900753/sizes/o/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/24497537@N06/2317054169/sizes/o/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipacamaniac/2325299389/sizes/o/in/set-72 157604095013621/
And my personal favourite http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3090/2312975136_fa4eb550b7_o.jpg
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Michael J Davis - 30 Jul 2008 15:15 GMT Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org> observed
>Then I suggest you see.... > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >And my personal favourite >http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3090/2312975136_fa4eb550b7_o.jpg Thanks Chris, I enjoyed those!
It occurred to me that "a little odd" is a euphemism for "foreign", tut tut!
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MB - 30 Jul 2008 17:11 GMT >>The picture looked like an ordinary marked police car which is presumably >>why he noticed it. > > Then I suggest you see.... > > http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/240907_uk_filming_police_offence.html I like the way that they just wander off without apologising, admitting they were wrong or anything. Typical.
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Chris H - 30 Jul 2008 17:29 GMT >>>The picture looked like an ordinary marked police car which is presumably >>>why he noticed it. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I like the way that they just wander off without apologising, admitting >they were wrong or anything. Typical. The police are Never wrong..... He was just lucky they let him off...
You some sort of bleeding heart liberal? :-)))))))
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Trev - 30 Jul 2008 17:40 GMT >>>> The picture looked like an ordinary marked police car which is >>>> presumably why he noticed it. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > You some sort of bleeding heart liberal? :-))))))) Yes It was not Worth there time, but His name is now in the book. Hope he does not have a car.
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awavey@yahoo.com - 31 Jul 2008 20:57 GMT >> The police are Never wrong..... He was just lucky they let him off... >> >> You some sort of bleeding heart liberal? :-))))))) > >Yes It was not Worth there time, but His name is now in the book. Hope he >does not have a car. go watch some of his other videos, they know where he lives....
Chris H - 01 Aug 2008 08:25 GMT >>> The police are Never wrong..... He was just lucky they let him off... >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >go watch some of his other videos, they know where he lives.... Post the link please.
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Rob Morley - 01 Aug 2008 09:16 GMT > >go watch some of his other videos, they know where he lives.... > > Post the link please. The link already posted has: // More of Darren Pollards films & documentaries can be seen here: http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch...
Darren Pollards website: http://www.dazp5.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ //
John - 07 Aug 2008 22:25 GMT >> >go watch some of his other videos, they know where he lives.... >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Darren Pollards website: http://www.dazp5.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ > // Clearly he has a chip on his shoulder and doesn't believe in treating working people (in this case the police) with any decent respect.
Neil Barker - 08 Aug 2008 07:21 GMT > Clearly he has a chip on his shoulder and doesn't believe in treating > working people (in this case the police) with any decent respect. Whatever your opinion of him, troll, PC Plod in this case was totally incorrect and out of order - "it's against the law to film us", my arse.
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Chris H - 08 Aug 2008 08:30 GMT >>> >go watch some of his other videos, they know where he lives.... >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Clearly he has a chip on his shoulder and doesn't believe in treating >working people (in this case the police) with any decent respect. I think his lack of respect of the Police directly stems from the actions of the Police.
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Dick Bowman - 09 Aug 2008 06:49 GMT Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote in news:OMfFleFxY $mIFArc@phaedsys.demon.co.uk:
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> I think his lack of respect of the Police directly stems from the > actions of the Police. Absolutely.
savvo - 08 Aug 2008 13:40 GMT >>> >go watch some of his other videos, they know where he lives.... >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Clearly he has a chip on his shoulder and doesn't believe in treating > working people (in this case the police) with any decent respect. Very little respect for viewers of his website as well. I mean, seriously, dark blue on black?
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Chris H - 08 Aug 2008 15:42 GMT >>>> >go watch some of his other videos, they know where he lives.... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Very little respect for viewers of his website as well. I mean, >seriously, dark blue on black? I found it impossible to read... and it did not work properly in my browser
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Rob Morley - 30 Jul 2008 17:42 GMT > Then I suggest you see.... > > http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/240907_uk_filming_police_offence.html That's a classic. :-)
John - 07 Aug 2008 22:18 GMT >> Mr Gates was then questioned by two officers who asked why he had snapped >> the picture of their vehicle, and they told him he was being quizzed [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I'll have to remember that one next time I get a parking ticket. So if you call the emergency services due to a personal need - you will be happy to wait whilst they park somewhere properly? Be reasonable.
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