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Advice needed on buying a compact camera for a Canon EOS 5D owner

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Nige - 28 Jan 2008 12:38 GMT
Last year, I 'bit the bullet' and splashed out on a Canon EOS 5D
semi-pro model - on the basis that I didn't want to spend the next five
or ten years looking to upgrade cheaper DSLRs and losing money as I
went. A camera for life, you might say. And in most respects, the 5D is
exactly that. With its 24/105 lens it takes truly excellent photos that
can be printed up to A2 (or even bigger) at superb quality.

What I hadn't reckoned on was the time it takes to get the camera into
a shoot-ready state in anything other than full auto mode. Really, this
isn't camera that likes to be rushed and it can be rather unforgiving
if things aren't set up absolutely right. (Maybe all cameras of this
quality are similar in this regard - this is the first time I've used
one regularly).

The other main problem with the camera is its size and weight (- the
latter not being something I remember being mentioned in any of the
reviews I read). Really, a couple of hours with the EOS 5D round your
neck and you need to think about booking an appointment booked with a
chiropractor. On a recent holiday to the US, I actually left the camera
behind on several days because I couldn't face lugging it around - not
something I'd ever normally do.

In fact, I've had to face facts and acknowledge that since I bought the
camera, I'm actually missing a good percentage of the shots I'd have
normally taken,  simply because I can't get into a shoot-ready state
quickly enough - or worse (I'm ashamed to say) because I convince
myself that a particular shot probably won't be worth the effort.
Needless to say, this is very antithesis of what digital cameras are
all about.

All of which brings me to the point of this post... I'm looking to buy
a second camera, preferably a compact model of around 8 megapixels or
more. What I really need is arguably the very opposite of the EOS 5D -
a small, light model that is super-intelligent, ready to use in a
couple of seconds and can be relied upon to produce decent results
under most conditions. OK, it may not produce anything like the same
quality as the EOS 5D, but I figure that if it allows me to nail the
more 'opportunistic' shots that occasionally come along, that's better
than not getting the picture at all.

Does anybody have any advice on a suitable model to buy? I've looked
through all the camera mags, but the sheer breadth of choice gets
bewidering in this area of the market. I particularly like taking night
and low-light shots and would ideally like a model that would be able
to deal with this and not try to 'correct' the exposure or fail to auto
focus. As I say, the smarter the better...

Having spent so much on the 5D, I can't really justify spending a huge
amount, but I do want a camera that I can keep with at all times and
will produce decent results in most situations without me doing all the
thinking for it.

Any advice would be gratefully received...

Nige
Woody - 28 Jan 2008 18:23 GMT
> Last year, I 'bit the bullet' and splashed out on a Canon EOS 5D
> semi-pro model - on the basis that I didn't want to spend the next
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>
> Nige

If you like Canon then an Ixus 60, Ixus 65, or Ixus 70. I have a 60
(against my Nikon D70s) and it is often very difficult to decide which
camera has taken which picture.

Beware of the pixel race. Your 5D has a full frame cell, whereas the
compact (almost any make) will have a much smaller cell. On a compact
6Mp is plenty good enough to print at A3 from full frame - indeed any
half decent 3Mp will do A4 from the full frame. If you go much above 6Mp
you will start to get noise in saturated colours - mainly thermal noise.
You will also find that the more pixels the 'higher' the ASA will go
usually at the expense of the slow end - many have 200ASA as the
slowest!

You also need a camera that has a good optical lens - it's no good
having bucket loads of pixels if the lens does not have the resolution
to go with it. Makes such as Canon, Nikon, Olympus, Panasonic/Leica are
up to it but others not from the 'traditional' camera manufacturers are
not.

The main problem with compacts is shutter lag - which you are not used
to on the 5D. Canon, Ricoh, Casio and Fuji tend to be some of the
quickest, Nikon and Olympus traditionally the slowest.

At the end of the day go to a good shop on a quiet day and play with
them. Like as not one of them will feel right - if you are unlucky more
than one will feel right, then it comes down to bells and whistles and
price. Jessops and Jacobs are two of the better places to go. Currys
seem (to me) to have a limited range and all too often have neither a
memory card to hand or (more usually) a charged battery.

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newshound - 28 Jan 2008 21:38 GMT
Agree with all that, but don't forget image stabilisation if you like to
hand-hold in low light. I have an S2 IS and an Ixus 850 IS. I reckon IS is
reliably worth two stops. Also sounds like you could use, if not full
manual, then a reasonable amout of manual over-ride. And perhaps RAW. After
the EOS you will be fighting noise with the small sensor though.
ongar_route@hotmail.com - 31 Jan 2008 20:05 GMT
> Agree with all that, but don't forget image stabilisation if you like to
> hand-hold in low light. I have an S2 IS and an Ixus 850 IS. I reckon IS is
> reliably worth two stops.

I'll second that. I have Super SteadyShot on my Sony A700, and it's
great.

Last weekend, I was handholding at 1/5s using a 75mm lens and still
getting very sharp shots. An essential addon in my book. Well worth
it.
M.John - 28 Jan 2008 18:24 GMT
Hi,

I also have a 5D and a compact for convenience.

Some things to watch out for, make sure (if possible) your compact takes
same memory card and same battery. I went with a Canon G5 which I find
excellent and easy to use, has a familliar feel to it after the 5D. That way
you can double up on memory and spare batteries for the 5D.

Not sure what the equivalent to the G5 is but could be G9, I dont know
whether the G9 takes the same memory or Battery.

Mark

> Last year, I 'bit the bullet' and splashed out on a Canon EOS 5D
> semi-pro model - on the basis that I didn't want to spend the next five
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> Nige
Alan Clifford - 28 Jan 2008 23:12 GMT
N> All of which brings me to the point of this post... I'm looking to buy
N> a second camera, preferably a compact model of around 8 megapixels or
N> more. What I really need is arguably the very opposite of the EOS 5D -
N> a small, light model that is super-intelligent, ready to use in a
N> couple of seconds and can be relied upon to produce decent results
N> under most conditions. OK, it may not produce anything like the same
N> quality as the EOS 5D, but I figure that if it allows me to nail the
N> more 'opportunistic' shots that occasionally come along, that's better
N> than not getting the picture at all.
N>

My point and shoot is a Fuji F31fd, 3x zoom and pocket size.  As well as
auto-mode it has stuff like aperture and speed priority and slow sync
flash.  It is supposed to have very good high iso capability
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/compactcamerahighiso/page3.asp The newest
version appears to be f50fd.

My wife decided she would like a long zoom and has just ordered a
Panasonic Fz18.  This camera is so light for an 18x zoom and there seems
to be absolutely no discernable shutter lag (compared to the Nikon 8800
that I have).  Apparently it has "intelligent auto" mode - if it analyses
the scene to be a night portrait that is what it will do.  Take a look at
the photos at dpreview.com
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonicfz18/page17.asp

However, when I had two cameras from different manufacturer, an Olympus
10x zoom and a little Nikon pocket size, the difference between the
interfaces drove me mad.  However, I don't seem to have a problem swapping
between the Fuji and Nikon.  It is a consideration and you might be best
sticking to Canon.

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