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Photo Forum / General Photo Topics / UK Photography / January 2008A3 Printers
I have been reading the thread about A3 printers having been happy with the Epson and HP printers in the past. I had problems with the Epson 1290 and was consigned to the box. However now I'm looking to use it again for general printing and wondered if anyone had success with continuous ink systems (CIS) for the model ? I'm also looking at buying a new printer and been looking at the Epson R2400. Can anyone give me an indication of how many prints they have had with new cartridges? I trying to work out a price per print for the near £100 cost on a full set of carts! TIA D > I'm also looking at buying a new printer and been looking at the Epson > R2400. Can anyone give me an indication of how many prints they have had > with new cartridges? > > I trying to work out a price per print for the near £100 cost on a full set > of carts! TIA D Hate to put it like this, but the R2400 is in the realm of "if you have to ask, you can't afford it". I run one at work and have given up trying to keep track of the costs. I only average the equivalent of three or four A4 sheets a day through it, but it's almost continually flashing to say that one cartridge or another's running out. If I had to take a wild guess at the costs, I'd say around 2 pounds per A4 print (on it's highest quality settings). >> I'm also looking at buying a new printer and been looking at the Epson >> R2400. Can anyone give me an indication of how many prints they have had [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >If I had to take a wild guess at the costs, I'd say around 2 pounds per >A4 print (on it's highest quality settings). That's a pretty wild guess! My guess would be about a quarter of that, or 50p for A4, and around £1 for A3. The important thing with an R2400 is to print at least one A4 every day to be sure to avoid clogging the print heads. >> If I had to take a wild guess at the costs, I'd say around 2 pounds per >> A4 print (on it's highest quality settings). > > That's a pretty wild guess! Well I won't deny that... > My guess would be about a quarter of > that, or 50p for A4, and around £1 for A3. No way, not for photographic images that cover the whole sheet, that's an even wilder guess than mine! Or are you using third party inks and/or papers? > The important thing with an R2400 is to print at least one A4 every > day to be sure to avoid clogging the print heads. I've never had that problem with the R2400. Again, are you using third party inks? The only time I've ever experienced clogged heads on an Epson was when I used Lyson inks on a 1520. Since then I've run a 700, 1270 and the R2400 on genuine Epson inks with no problems at all. >>> If I had to take a wild guess at the costs, I'd say around 2 pounds per >>> A4 print (on it's highest quality settings). [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >an even wilder guess than mine! Or are you using third party inks and/or >papers? No, I buy Epson inks and mostly use Epson papers. >> The important thing with an R2400 is to print at least one A4 every >> day to be sure to avoid clogging the print heads. > >I've never had that problem with the R2400. Again, are you using third >party inks? No, my mistake. I meant to say one A4 every *week*. Sorry! Many amateurs leave an Epson printer unused for 3-4 weeks and expect it to work. Chances are, it will clog. Print an A4 once a week and you are much less likely to have a problem. >I'm also looking at buying a new printer and been looking at the Epson >R2400. Can anyone give me an indication of how many prints they have had >with new cartridges? > >I trying to work out a price per print for the near £100 cost on a full set >of carts! TIA D Epson's web page says: INK CARTRIDGES CAPACITY Black: 640 A4pages @ 3.5% coverage, Colour: 520 A4pages @ 5% coverage. If you a printing A3 sized images in colour then you would be looking at twice the area and near 100% coverage so 520/40 = 13 full colour A3 pages would be the sort of number to expect. The equivalent HP printer would be the Photosmart Pro B9180 and HP claims approx 85 330x483 (A3+) photos according to the page yield web page (uk version): <http://h10060.www1.hp.com/pageyield/uk/en/PSPB9180/photo.html?jumpid=reg_R1002_UKEN>. The full set of 8 ink cartidges will set you back nearly £130 at Amazon prices as far as I can tell. If you just want an A3 printer but not the full graphic arts industry product complete with ICC colour profiles then there are cheaper models.  SignatureOwen Rees [one of] my preferred email address[es] and more stuff can be found at <http://www.users.waitrose.com/~owenrees/index.html> >>I'm also looking at buying a new printer and been looking at the Epson >>R2400. Can anyone give me an indication of how many prints they have had [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >twice the area and near 100% coverage so 520/40 = 13 full colour A3 >pages would be the sort of number to expect. Nonsense. 100% is putting solid ink of each colour on the paper, so it is far too high. 5% is very low, the truth lies in between, but it will certainly be closer to 5% than 100%. >>> I'm also looking at buying a new printer and been looking at the >>> Epson R2400. Can anyone give me an indication of how many prints [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > it is far too high. 5% is very low, the truth lies in between, but it > will certainly be closer to 5% than 100%. I dont want big white holes in my Photos so I vote for 100% of the page filled with ink SignatureTrev You can always tell a Yorkshire man, But you can't tell him much. >I dont want big white holes in my Photos so I vote for 100% of the page >filled with ink Vote for what you like, because you haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about. >Nonsense. 100% is putting solid ink of each colour on the paper, so >it is far too high. 5% is very low, the truth lies in between, but it >will certainly be closer to 5% than 100%. The problem here is the meaninglessness of the "5%" figure. 5% of what? Epson do publish ISO 24711 page yield figures for some of their printers, but I have not found such figures for the R2400. HP publish page yield figures both for the ISO 24711 test set and for photos of quoted sizes. In the absence of information to the contrary, I would expect the ISO-test:photo ink consumption ratio to be similar for other brands of printer on the basis that the most significant factor will be the area printed. HP's figures work out at a factor of over 10 difference in number of pages between full A4 page photos and the ISO test pages (which are intended to be like typical text+graphics business documents as far as I can see). Since the original question was about an A3 capable printer and this is a photo group I am making a wild guess that the nubmer required is for printing A3 size photos and my first approximation would be to find the ISO 24711 number and divide by 20 based on the double area and ISO:photo ratio. SignatureOwen Rees [one of] my preferred email address[es] and more stuff can be found at <http://www.users.waitrose.com/~owenrees/index.html> >>Nonsense. 100% is putting solid ink of each colour on the paper, so >>it is far too high. 5% is very low, the truth lies in between, but it [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >ISO 24711 number and divide by 20 based on the double area and ISO:photo >ratio. The above posting appears designed to inform us how clever the poster is, but tells us absolutely nothing about the issue being discussed. Thank you for all your replies. I realise that using the printer daily will help save the clogging and the cleaning of the heads with inks costs associated with it. Also I realise that inks will be consumed at varying rates dependant on the image printed. But from what I can glean from all of the comments an A3 print will costs around £1 per print plus the same for paper using original manufacture inks and quality papers. Given a unit purchase price of around £400 and I budget £1 per print to run the printer for the first 400 prints, £3 per print reducing to £2 per print seems pretty reasonable. >Thank you for all your replies. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >the printer for the first 400 prints, £3 per print reducing to £2 per print >seems pretty reasonable. You're welcome. You don't need to print daily - I made a mistake when posting that. Once a week should be enough. By concentrating on cost of ink and problems with blocked print heads we missed an important point: I haven't yet found a printer that produces better results than the Epson R2400 on Epson paper. > By concentrating on cost of ink and problems with blocked print heads > we missed an important point: I haven't yet found a printer that > produces better results than the Epson R2400 on Epson paper. I'll go along with that. Incidentally, there is one thing about the R2400 which drives me up the wall. Matt or gloss papers use different black cartridges, sharing the same slot. This means you have to swap cartridges every time you change to the other type of paper. This is a pain in itself, but made worse by the printer driver's reluctance to update itself once you've made the change. You can spend ages clicking through the settings trying to wake it up while it refuses to list the paper type you want. > Incidentally, there is one thing about the R2400 which drives me up the > wall. Matt or gloss papers use different black cartridges, sharing the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > change. You can spend ages clicking through the settings trying to wake > it up while it refuses to list the paper type you want. That's a design feature to encourage you to buy a separate printer for each paper type. :-) >> By concentrating on cost of ink and problems with blocked print heads >> we missed an important point: I haven't yet found a printer that [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >change. You can spend ages clicking through the settings trying to wake >it up while it refuses to list the paper type you want. I agree. Because of that, I decided to use only gloss paper. It suits most of what I do, but there are times when I wish I had the option to use matt without going through the whole rigmarole. |
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