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EOS400D - £400 now.

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A.Lee - 06 Apr 2007 08:02 GMT
Tesco, of all places, are currently doing the EOS 400D, with lens for
£400, and apparently, there is a £50 cash back from Canon when you send
in the form - looks to be quite a bargain if you are in the market for a
DSLR.
<http://direct.tesco.com/promo/?id=S00002332>

(sick after paying £400 4 weeks ago for a 350D!)
Alan.
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Tony Polson - 06 Apr 2007 10:23 GMT
>Tesco, of all places, are currently doing the EOS 400D, with lens for
>£400, and apparently, there is a £50 cash back from Canon when you send
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>(sick after paying £400 4 weeks ago for a 350D!)

There are great deals around on other DSLRs too, of just about every
brand.  The days of the £299 DSLR body are not far away.  

I have heard that the one to avoid is Sony, whose Alpha A100 has not
sold well, casting doubt on whether the new DSLR models due later in
2007 will ever be produced.
Trev - 06 Apr 2007 10:35 GMT
>>Tesco, of all places, are currently doing the EOS 400D, with lens for
>>£400, and apparently, there is a £50 cash back from Canon when you send
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> sold well, casting doubt on whether the new DSLR models due later in
> 2007 will ever be produced.

I think you heard wrong. Not as big as Canon and Nikon but doing well in
its own rights
Tony Polson - 06 Apr 2007 12:19 GMT
> I think you heard wrong.

Given who I heard it from, I don't think so, as it was based on hard
figures, rather than sentiment.
Flying Rat - 06 Apr 2007 21:29 GMT
> > I think you heard wrong.
>
> Given who I heard it from, I don't think so, as it was based on hard
> figures, rather than sentiment.

away from figures, I was up on the mound at Manchester Airport last week
and the guy next to me had one of those beasties. I was a little
surprised at how poor the finish on the Sony was.

Shiny black plastic isn't something I'd expect to see on a DSLR. The
package just did not give a feeling of quality or robustness. Purely on
that basis, if I was a newbie and comparing the Sony to a Nikon or Canon
of a similar price bracket it would put me off.

The Sony looked and felt considerably less sturdy.

FR
David Kilpatrick - 06 Apr 2007 12:39 GMT
>>Tesco, of all places, are currently doing the EOS 400D, with lens for
>>£400, and apparently, there is a £50 cash back from Canon when you send
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> sold well, casting doubt on whether the new DSLR models due later in
> 2007 will ever be produced.  

If you are right Tony, I'd better buy a couple of A100 bodies quick, as
they do everything I need up to 75Mb file output and with the new CZ
16-80mm I'm looking at detail I rarely get to see from 1Ds MkII files -
even when enlarged to the same size as 1Ds MkII files.

The figures I've seen show that the A100 has sold as well
percentage-wise as both the KM 5D and 7D did when available
simultaneously, with the 5D at a similar 'age' the A100. However the
DSLR marketplace has doubled overall since then and I would guess most
of the increase is in the sub-£500 bracket, which may well have trebled
in volume.

So, while 6.x per cent of the DSLR market with a single camera is not as
good as 40.x per cent with an entire range, it's not a failure yet.

David
Tony Polson - 06 Apr 2007 13:39 GMT
>If you are right Tony,

It isn't my opinion, I am just reporting what I have heard.

>I'd better buy a couple of A100 bodies quick, as
>they do everything I need up to 75Mb file output and with the new CZ
>16-80mm I'm looking at detail I rarely get to see from 1Ds MkII files -
>even when enlarged to the same size as 1Ds MkII files.

More-or-less the same sensor produces outstanding detail in the Pentax
K10D and the Nikon D200/D80.  It makes the 10 MP sensor in the new
Leica M8 look disappointing at any price, let alone at £2990.

>The figures I've seen show that the A100 has sold as well
>percentage-wise as both the KM 5D and 7D did when available
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>So, while 6.x per cent of the DSLR market with a single camera is not as
>good as 40.x per cent with an entire range, it's not a failure yet.

I would agree with that analysis.  But let us not forget that the
sales of the KM 5D and 7D were so bad that Konica Minolta exited the
camera business.  The signs are not good.
Paul Giverin - 06 Apr 2007 13:28 GMT
>Tesco, of all places, are currently doing the EOS 400D, with lens for
>£400, and apparently, there is a £50 cash back from Canon when you send
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>(sick after paying £400 4 weeks ago for a 350D!)
>Alan.

Hmm.. with my wife's 10% Tesco staff discount and the Canon £50
cashback, I'm looking at £310. I'm very tempted. I'm really pleased with
my "prosumer"  Minolta A200 which is only a year old but I'll eventually
upgrade sometime in the future. At £310 it could be sooner rather than
later. The only downside is that it wouldn't be long before I was
looking for an additional lens.

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Tony Polson - 06 Apr 2007 13:41 GMT
>>Tesco, of all places, are currently doing the EOS 400D, with lens for
>>£400, and apparently, there is a £50 cash back from Canon when you send
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>later. The only downside is that it wouldn't be long before I was
>looking for an additional lens.

Given that the 18-55mm lens on the 400D is truly atrocious, the sooner
you look for a replacement, the better.
Paul Giverin - 07 Apr 2007 07:33 GMT
>>Hmm.. with my wife's 10% Tesco staff discount and the Canon £50
>>cashback, I'm looking at £310. I'm very tempted. I'm really pleased with
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Given that the 18-55mm lens on the 400D is truly atrocious, the sooner
>you look for a replacement, the better.

I agree that the reviews don't treat it very kindly but as I probably
couldn't even buy the 400D body for £310, I can treat the lens as a
freebie which I can use while I save up for something better.

I was looking on ebay last night to get some idea how much I might get
for my Minolta A200 if I decide to buy the EOS 400D. Bearing in mind I
paid £310 (new) for my A200 a year ago, I was amazed to see a used one
go for £275. That seems a lot for a year old, out of production fixed
lens camera.

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Malcolm Stewart - 07 Apr 2007 08:11 GMT
> In message <1ufc13l9m5ne2tsr2g67q695kpbs6h189e@4ax.com>, Tony Polson

>>Given that the 18-55mm lens on the 400D is truly atrocious, the sooner
>>you look for a replacement, the better.
>>
> I agree that the reviews don't treat it very kindly but as I probably
> couldn't even buy the 400D body for £310, I can treat the lens as a
> freebie which I can use while I save up for something better.
snip

I have a copy of the 18-55 kit lens (bought separately, would you believe)
and use it on my 30D as a lightweight GP companion when I'm birding with my
EF300 f2.8L.  To my surprise; and under the right conditions it's produced
pin sharp glossy A4 < prints > totally indistinguishable* from similar sized
prints from my 5D and prime lenses.  Getting there however, even if the
scene is a fairly contrasty sunny day type of subject, requires more
processing than I normally apply.  So perhaps the kit lens is low in
internal contrast, and so far I haven't tried printing to A3 which my other
lenses can handle with ease.  Just don't expect pin sharp results at full
aperture, and it does look different when viewed on screen at 100% without
any high radius USM.
*There is a difference but only when viewed via magnifier, and I haven't yet
checked it for drawing distortion.
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A.Lee - 07 Apr 2007 20:18 GMT
> > In message <1ufc13l9m5ne2tsr2g67q695kpbs6h189e@4ax.com>, Tony Polson
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> EF300 f2.8L.  To my surprise; and under the right conditions it's produced
> pin sharp glossy.....  snipped.

The lens review here here:
http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/lenses/canon_1855_3556/index.htm

also says it can give reasonable results when stopped down a bit, and
not used at the extreme wide angle limit.
Alan.

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Paul Giverin - 07 Apr 2007 21:06 GMT
>The lens review here here:
>http://www.photozone.de/8Reviews/lenses/canon_1855_3556/index.htm
>
>also says it can give reasonable results when stopped down a bit, and
>not used at the extreme wide angle limit.
>Alan.

Thanks for the link Alan. I'll have to bookmark that site, it looks
quite useful.

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Paul Giverin - 07 Apr 2007 21:02 GMT
>I have a copy of the 18-55 kit lens (bought separately, would you believe)
>and use it on my 30D as a lightweight GP companion when I'm birding with my
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>*There is a difference but only when viewed via magnifier, and I haven't yet
>checked it for drawing distortion.

Thanks for the review Malcolm. I've ordered the EOS 400D kit so in a few
day I should be able to see for myself. I'm still quite a novice and I'm
sure that the lens won't be holding me back ;)

Hopefully in the months to come, I'll get to know the camera and I'll be
in a better position to decide what additional lens I'll need.

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Bill - 15 Apr 2007 11:16 GMT
I don't get this - the link takes you to the Tesco site all right but the
price is shown as £499.99

> Tesco, of all places, are currently doing the EOS 400D, with lens for
> £400, and apparently, there is a £50 cash back from Canon when you send
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> (sick after paying £400 4 weeks ago for a 350D!)
> Alan.
Trev - 15 Apr 2007 11:27 GMT
>I don't get this - the link takes you to the Tesco site all right but the
>price is shown as £499.99

You where too late or Tesco realised their mistake
Bill - 15 Apr 2007 11:31 GMT
Looks that way - it's also showing as out of stock

>>I don't get this - the link takes you to the Tesco site all right but the
>>price is shown as £499.99
>>
> You where too late or Tesco realised their mistake
Paul Giverin - 15 Apr 2007 11:59 GMT
>>I don't get this - the link takes you to the Tesco site all right but the
>>price is shown as £499.99
>>
> You where too late or Tesco realised their mistake

They sold out fairly quickly and then Tesco put the price back up to
£500 again. I managed to get mine for £310 which included my wife's
staff discount and Canon's £50 cashback.

Its early days and I'm still finding my way around the camera but I'm
really pleased with it.

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Bill - 15 Apr 2007 13:39 GMT
Congratulations Paul!

>>>I don't get this - the link takes you to the Tesco site all right but the
>>>price is shown as £499.99
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Its early days and I'm still finding my way around the camera but I'm
> really pleased with it.
 
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