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Photo Forum / General Photo Topics / UK Photography / March 2007SLR Camera for Sale
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=010&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3 AIT&viewitem=&item=200087606617&rd=1&rd=1 Ebay UseNet Policy eBay members may not post on Usenet groups (Internet newsgroups) to advertise eBay or an eBay listing that is inappropriate or violates the Usenet board policy. If Usenet abuse is reported to eBay, we may among other remedies) remove the listing, issue a warning, temporarily suspend or indefinitely suspend the offender's eBay account. We have no tolerance for UseNet abuse and will take action as appropriate. Please note that we can only take action in cases where it is clear that an eBay member has posted to the Usenet inappropriately. Usenet abuse should also be reported to your ISP (Internet Service Provider) and the email provider of the person posting on the Usenet. Both of these organizations are in a much better position to prevent future Usenet abuse. http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/usenet_policy.html > Ebay UseNet Policy ... In any case, who's going to bother to check eBay without having seen a bit of detail first? Mike.  SignatureIf reply address = connectfee, add an r because it is free not fee. > Ebay UseNet Policy > eBay members may not post on Usenet groups (Internet newsgroups) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/usenet_policy.html If the seller chooses to mention the item on Usenet, that's none of ebay's f.cking business. Regards Mike. >> Ebay UseNet Policy >> eBay members may not post on Usenet groups (Internet newsgroups) [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >f.cking business. >Regards Mike. If ebay's T&C's specifically prohibit posting of ebay auction links on Usenet then it is their business and they can do what they like. Ebay is a commercial company and not the property of its customers. SignaturePaul Giverin British Jet Engine Website http://www.britjet.co.uk > >If the seller chooses to mention the item on Usenet, that's none of ebay's > >f.cking business. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Usenet then it is their business and they can do what they like. Ebay is > a commercial company and not the property of its customers. Indeed, you sign to say you agree with the T&Cs when you setup your eBay account. If you don't agree with them, then don't setup an eBay account. SignatureAndy Hewitt <http://web.mac.com/andrewhewitt1/> > If ebay's T&C's specifically prohibit posting of ebay auction links on > Usenet then it is their business and they can do what they like. Ebay is a > commercial company and not the property of its customers. No - If a condition is totally unreasonable such as not putting a link on Usenet, then that condition is void. If ebay don't like it, they can kiss the sellers arse. Regards Mike. >> If ebay's T&C's specifically prohibit posting of ebay auction links on >> Usenet then it is their business and they can do what they like. Ebay is a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >If ebay don't like it, they can kiss the sellers arse. >Regards Mike. If ebay don't like it, they can pull the auction or the user's account. I think if it went to court, the customer would have some difficulty in proving the condition was unreasonable. Ebay would argue that posting links in an inappropriate place may put ebay in a bad light and as such the condition was reasonable. I would have some sympathy with that argument. SignaturePaul Giverin British Jet Engine Website http://www.britjet.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Giverin" <paul@giverin.co.uk> Newsgroups: uk.rec.photo.misc Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 2:52 PM Subject: Re: SLR Camera for Sale >>> If ebay's T&C's specifically prohibit posting of ebay auction links on >>> Usenet then it is their business and they can do what they like. Ebay is [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > the condition was reasonable. I would have some sympathy with that > argument. It's an interesting dilemma as I see both sides of this debate. Yes it's right a proper for eBay to make terms and conditions but they seem counterproductive. If the advertiser is reasonable in their placing of the notice through newsgroups, as it seems to be in this case then it could only benefit eBay by the greater exposure to would be purchasers. Thus making eBay more money through a healthy response to that lot. eBay would be in their rights to close the auction if it were deemed to be inappropriate but they have become a law unto themselves and many have experienced, as have I their irrational and draconian behaviour. They were taken to task by BBC Watchdog and the OFT and modified their stance. The other issue is that eBay has a distorting effect on the 2nd hand photo retail market and with the digital advance has rendered many film cameras not worth selling at the prices being had. Retailers have progressively turned to commission sales and those left trading in 2nd hand equipment find it difficult to move the stock at the prices they need to sell them for. It is a shame that a near monopoly of on line auctions can be allowed to make unfair terms which this may be but only in certain circumstances could that be argued. Duncan > If the advertiser is reasonable in their placing of the notice through > newsgroups, as it seems to be in this case Charter of uk.rec.photo.misc "No advertising of products, jobs or services is allowed in this group; please use uk.rec.photo.adverts." http://www.usenet.org.uk/uk.rec.photo.misc.html > >> Ebay UseNet Policy > >> eBay members may not post on Usenet groups (Internet newsgroups) [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Usenet then it is their business and they can do what they like. Ebay is > a commercial company and not the property of its customers. What about posting an ebay link via www.tinyurl.com ? H. >> If ebay's T&C's specifically prohibit posting of ebay auction links on >> Usenet then it is their business and they can do what they like. Ebay is >> a commercial company and not the property of its customers. > >What about posting an ebay link via www.tinyurl.com ? Good point!.................... I don't know. SignaturePaul Giverin British Jet Engine Website http://www.britjet.co.uk > >> If ebay's T&C's specifically prohibit posting of ebay auction links on > >> Usenet then it is their business and they can do what they like. Ebay is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > Good point!.................... I don't know. I can see it now.. "Ebay sues TinyUrl for breach of copyright" !! H. > "Paul Giverin" <paul@giverin.co.uk> wrote in message >> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > What about posting an ebay link via www.tinyurl.com ? How would that get around the policy? It would still be a link to an eBay listing. "Ebay UseNet Policy eBay members may not post on Usenet groups (Internet newsgroups) to advertise eBay or an eBay listing that is inappropriate or violates the Usenet board policy. " > How would that get around the policy? It would still be a link to an > eBay listing. In that case so would an ebay link found by Google ? The point being it isn't a *direct* link. H. >> How would that get around the policy? It would still be a link to an >> eBay listing. > > In that case so would an ebay link found by Google ? > > The point being it isn't a *direct* link. It doesn't have to be a direct link:- "Ebay UseNet Policy eBay members may not post on Usenet groups (Internet newsgroups) to advertise eBay or an eBay listing that is inappropriate or violates the Usenet board policy. " So if a group forbids advertising in the charter, like this one does, any post that promotes an eBay item is in contravention of eBay's policy. It wouldn't matter if a redirected link is used, it is where the link terminates that is the relevant point. Apparently swearing isn't a breach, but I hope I'm not the only one who doesn't like it. > > Ebay UseNet Policy > > eBay members may not post on Usenet groups (Internet newsgroups) [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > f.cking business. > Regards Mike. > Apparently swearing isn't a breach, but I hope I'm not the only one who > doesn't like it. I have no problem with swearing. I find people who insist on ignoring usenet convention and posting their replies at the top instead of at the bottom of threads considerably more f.cking offensive. And I _know_ I'm not the only one who doesn't like that. > > Apparently swearing isn't a breach, but I hope I'm not the only one who > > doesn't like it. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > bottom of threads considerably more f.cking offensive. And I _know_ I'm > not the only one who doesn't like that. Shame you can't make your point without swearing, though. > > Apparently swearing isn't a breach, but I hope I'm not the only one who > > doesn't like it. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > bottom of threads considerably more f.cking offensive. And I _know_ I'm > not the only one who doesn't like that. I'll try not to offend your delicate sensibilities again. I won't try very hard, but at least I won't know about it because I've killfiled you. I really can't be bothered with people who use bad language with casual abandon. > I have no problem with swearing. I find people who insist on ignoring > usenet convention and posting their replies at the top instead of at > the bottom of threads considerably more f.cking offensive. And I > _know_ I'm not the only one who doesn't like that. Blame Outlook. It always top posts. I recommend all Outlook or Outlook Express users download a copy of Outlook-QuoteFix or OE-QuoteFix which automatically fixes the top posting in Outlook. It also fixes problems in the way Outlook quotes text. You can get it from http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ or http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/ depending on the version you want. Peter Signaturewww.monopix.co.uk >> I have no problem with swearing. I find people who insist on ignoring >> usenet convention and posting their replies at the top instead of at >> the bottom of threads considerably more f.cking offensive. And I >> _know_ I'm not the only one who doesn't like that. > > Blame Outlook. It always top posts. Outlook doesn't top post, it merely puts the cursor in a convenient position for the user to find. If you were writing a letter on a sheet of paper, and the pen was lying on a desk, would you start writing on the desk because that is where the pen is? Message-ID: <pTyJh.198$F82.90@newsfe4-win.ntli.net> from Harry Stottle contained the following: >> Blame Outlook. It always top posts. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >on a desk, would you start writing on the desk because that is where the >pen is? I assume we are talking about Outlook Express. Outlook is an abomination. When I worked in a college I found it impossible to make it behave properly. SignatureGeoff Berrow (put thecat out to email) It's only Usenet, no one dies. My opinions, not the committee's, mine. Simple RFDs http://www.ckdog.co.uk/rfdmaker/ > I assume we are talking about Outlook Express. I think Outlook is just as bad though haven't used it for a while. Signaturewww.monopix.co.uk Message-ID: <45f6c2fb$0$756$bed64819@news.gradwell.net> from monopix contained the following: >> I assume we are talking about Outlook Express. > >I think Outlook is just as bad though haven't used it for a while. Did you not read the rest of my post? SignatureGeoff Berrow (put thecat out to email) It's only Usenet, no one dies. My opinions, not the committee's, mine. Simple RFDs http://www.ckdog.co.uk/rfdmaker/ > Outlook doesn't top post, it merely puts the cursor in a convenient > position for the user to find. > If you were writing a letter on a sheet of paper, and the pen was > lying on a desk, would you start writing on the desk because that is > where the pen is? God, talk about pedantic. Outlook puts the signature (which you obviously haven't found yet) at the top of the page so YES it DOES top post. Signaturewww.monopix.co.uk > > Apparently swearing isn't a breach, but I hope I'm not the only one who > > doesn't like it. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > bottom of threads considerably more f.cking offensive. And I _know_ I'm > not the only one who doesn't like that. I can't stand people who *snore* on usenet. H. -- "Bend over, I'll drive" |
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