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Canon launch 1DS MkIII today

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David Kilpatrick - 22 Feb 2007 10:50 GMT
The launch is in London, I'm not there (too far to go), but all the
press info is already up and released:

http://f2photo.co.uk/news/browse.php

Also news from Pentax.

David

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Daniel Rocha - 22 Feb 2007 11:10 GMT
> The launch is in London, I'm not there (too far to go), but all the
> press info is already up and released:
>
> http://f2photo.co.uk/news/browse.php
>
> Also news from Pentax.

Too bad, we need to be registered to see the news from f2photo.

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David Kilpatrick - 22 Feb 2007 11:59 GMT
>>The launch is in London, I'm not there (too far to go), but all the
>>press info is already up and released:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Too bad, we need to be registered to see the news from f2photo.

But that's all. There is no cost to registering and all that we have
done so far in two or three years of operation is send one single email
to all registered users announcing the change of ownership of the
printed magazine.

Without registration, we might as well not have the website at all.

David
John Bean - 22 Feb 2007 12:13 GMT
>But that's all. There is no cost to registering and all that we have
>done so far in two or three years of operation is send one single email
>to all registered users announcing the change of ownership of the
>printed magazine.

Ok...

>Without registration, we might as well not have the website at all.

In light of the content of the first paragraph which implies
you don't use the registration data (so far), what else do
you gain from the registration that makes you say it's so
essential?

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David Kilpatrick - 22 Feb 2007 13:14 GMT
>>But that's all. There is no cost to registering and all that we have
>>done so far in two or three years of operation is send one single email
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> you gain from the registration that makes you say it's so
> essential?

Back in 1995 I created the first on-line photo magazine, Photon. It was
incredibly successful, relative to the era. It was in the world's top 5
websites and indirectly resulted in the £1.5m Euro-money grant which
gave Scotland its first big Pipex 'backbone' - our site was responsible
for the majority of all bandwidth being used through the Edinburgh hub
as it then existed (before broadband). Photon altered my life, because
it was so outstandingly successful; we changed the title of our magazine
PHOTOpro to match it, went monthly, took on six staff, and thought the
future lay in the website.

But this was before php, before *everything* really, and I just created
a plain HTML site. No-one registered, we had no advanced stats or
anything, and the service providers were simultaneously greedy (would
have wanted thousands of pounds to implemented any such things) and
jealous (our site occupied 95 per cent of their server's capacity and
all their commercial clients had their pagehit stats dwarfed by Photon).
You had to scroll down hundreds of entries before you could even spot
one of their own site figures. We did not pay them to create the site, I
did it myself in BBEdit and HTML 2.

Once the grant was secured for the new Pipex capacity, they demanded
£25,000 a year to continue the service and of course we couldn't pay. We
were summarily removed from the 'funded' regional server, and forced to
transfer the domain and space elsewhere. No-one really knew how to
ensure our high ratings (Yahoo was then the main search engine) stayed
put, and with full-time staff now dependent on the overall success of
Photon, we were in trouble. We had no email addresses for any of the
30,000 regular readers (doesn't sound much now but it was then). The
website went into downspin once removed from our local server;
adminstering it became difficult; the new server was unreliable, updates
could no longer be done by ftp; we moved again - it got worse not better.

No large commercial ISP would consider us at this point because of the
large number of good quality large JPEGs. We sold Photon to
www.photoshot.com in 1999, ceased to publish the magazine monthly,
joined forces with the BFP and relaunched the mag as Freelance Photographer.

From five years of work - two very successful and three fighting
against problems we didn't understand, which would now be overcome in
minutes - we had absolutely nothing from Photon, except our database of
printed magazine subscribers. We had no email list and that reduced the
value of the site by 80 per cent; all we had were the usual website
stats, and they were not validatable or detailed. We couldn't contact
our readers, and nor could the buyer of the site.

Failing to have a simple, free registration process probably cost us all
the potential Photon ever had. The f2photo site can never even be a
shadow of what Photon was, as there's no income from it (Photon
attracted worthwhile advertising and hundreds of magazine subscriptions
a month before) and I can't justify two weeks a month running it, or pay
anyone to do anything now. But with the registered email list we do at
least have the ability to reach genuinely interested readers.

f2photo.co.uk will probably disappear in the next few weeks, as the new
owners of f2 magazine don't want it to continue as a website, and they
are not ready to have any web presence. We will move all the archived
pdf articles, newsfeed, etc to the Icon Publications domain. We'll
continue - definitely - to ask for free registration and at some point I
may begin a monthly e-news letter.

David
John Bean - 22 Feb 2007 14:34 GMT
>>>But that's all. There is no cost to registering and all that we have
>>>done so far in two or three years of operation is send one single email
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> you gain from the registration that makes you say it's so
>> essential?

[snip extensive reply]

>f2photo.co.uk will probably disappear in the next few weeks, as the new
>owners of f2 magazine don't want it to continue as a website, and they
>are not ready to have any web presence. We will move all the archived
>pdf articles, newsfeed, etc to the Icon Publications domain. We'll
>continue - definitely - to ask for free registration and at some point I
>may begin a monthly e-news letter.

David, I really do appreciate your extensive reply, far more
than I expected, but it doesn't really answer my question.
The most successful internet presences in photography don't
require registration to *read* them, which is what my
question was all about. The very fact that they are so
successful yet need no registration to read them flies in
the face of the reasons you listed in your reply. I'm still
puzzled.

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Mark Dunn - 23 Feb 2007 17:46 GMT
Registration at least makes the site worth something for David. He doesn't
want to do the virtual equivalent of throwing free magazines from a roof
somewhere. He wants to know who his audience are. I've just had the email he
mentions, the only one in three years, and I don't have a problem giving him
my email address in exchange for good, independent, relevant content. And if
anyone out there still doesn't know who David Kilpatrick IS, do some
homework. He's been in the trade longer than me, which is a little while
now.

> >>>But that's all. There is no cost to registering and all that we have
> >>>done so far in two or three years of operation is send one single email
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> the face of the reasons you listed in your reply. I'm still
> puzzled.
 
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