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Photo Forum / General Photo Topics / UK Photography / January 2007Pentax K10D
As I use a telephoto in the great outdoors it seems the K10D would be an improvement on my *ist, given its 10 Mpixels, anti shake and anti splash seals + other nice features. I dont suppose anyone can suggest a reason I shouldnt load my credit card with even more debt?  SignatureMike Reid UK Walking - photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site Spain Walking -food "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk" > I dont suppose anyone can suggest >a reason I shouldnt load my credit card with even more debt? thought not :-( SignatureMike Reid UK Walking - photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site Spain Walking -food "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk" The Reid <dontuse@fellwalk.co.uk> observed >> I dont suppose anyone can suggest >>a reason I shouldnt load my credit card with even more debt? > >thought not :-( LOL! I assume no one had any interest... Mike SignatureMichael J Davis <>< When we forget ourselves, we usually do something that everyone else remembers. Anon <>< >>thought not :-( > >LOL! I assume no one had any interest... I've pressed the buy button now, as nobody jumped in with "that awful camera" or "better one out next week". SignatureMike Reid UK Walking - photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site Spain Walking -food "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk" > The Reid <dontuse@fellwalk.co.uk> observed > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > LOL! I assume no one had any interest... Not so! I was very interested. Interested to hear what everyone else would say.... ;-) Peter >> I dont suppose anyone can suggest >>a reason I shouldnt load my credit card with even more debt? > >thought not :-( Serves you right for asking such an ill-considered question. ;-) Had you stated what you need in a camera, and asked whether the Pentax K10D would fulfil those needs, you might have received some good advice. But don't be surprised that, in the absence of any information as to what you might need it for, or expect it to do, no-one here cares whether you buy it or not. >But don't be surprised that, in the absence of any >information as to what you might need it for, or expect it to do, >no-one here cares whether you buy it or not. "As I use a telephoto in the great outdoors" didn't give any clues? I suppose I could be a beach paparazzo from that, OK, is it a good camera for hard core pornography? SignatureMike Reid UK Walking - photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site Spain Walking -food "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk" >>But don't be surprised that, in the absence of any >>information as to what you might need it for, or expect it to do, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >suppose I could be a beach paparazzo from that, OK, is it a good >camera for hard core pornography? I think it is a *perfect* camera for you. Go waste your money. ;-) >>"As I use a telephoto in the great outdoors" didn't give any clues? I >>suppose I could be a beach paparazzo from that, OK, is it a good >>camera for hard core pornography? >I think it is a *perfect* camera for you. So do I actually, given I'm tied to Pentax, it will help when using the long lens and should return better quality than the *ist. (I was lying about the pornography) SignatureMike Reid UK Walking - photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site Spain Walking -food "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk" >>>"As I use a telephoto in the great outdoors" didn't give any clues? I >>>suppose I could be a beach paparazzo from that, OK, is it a good [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >(I was lying about the pornography) (who cares?) ;-) >>(I was lying about the pornography) > >(who cares?) well, you cared enough to reply. Have you got toothache? SignatureMike Reid UK Walking - photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site Spain Walking -food "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk" >>>(I was lying about the pornography) >> >>(who cares?) > >well, you cared enough to reply. I cared enough to point out the nonsense of someone who is considering buying a more expensive camera, but cannot say what he needs it for, because he apparently does not know. Still, a lot of photo companies would go out of business but for people like you. >I cared enough to point out the nonsense of someone who is considering >buying a more expensive camera, but cannot say what he needs it for, >because he apparently does not know. Look sunshine, I told you what it was for in the first sentence. Did you read it? OK, lets start again for your benefit. I'm doing more wildlife than previously, in addition to the usual landscape. (hence the "great outdoors" reference) i'll be using a telephoto a lot more (hence telephoto reference). Now perhaps you tell me why anti shake, the vary "film" speed programme and 10Mpixels rather than 6 and other features are a waste of money for me? I dont actually want to know of course, I just wanted any bad vibes that were about or news of new models (I'm not that interested in cameras and dont keep up to date, you see, i'm just interested in photography). >Still, a lot of photo companies would go out of business but for >people like you. You dont know what sort of people I am. and see a dentist about the toothache. SignatureMike Reid UK Walking - photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site Spain Walking -food "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk" >and other features the weatherproofing too. I'm a little nervous about complex cameras out on the hills in all weathers. My simple old auto nothing film camera is half the size and much less for weather to damage. SignatureMike Reid UK Walking - photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site Spain Walking -food "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk" > >and other features > > the weatherproofing too. I'm a little nervous about complex > cameras out on the hills in all weathers. My simple old auto > nothing film camera is half the size and much less for weather > to damage. Keep that for backup then. The LX has very good weather sealing, other Pentax film cameras do OK in the wet - neither better nor worse than anyone else's - which is better than _most_ digitals. I would _expect_ the K10D to be similarly good at keeping out the water as the LX, but of course it'll be likely to stop working more completely and probably more quickly if water ever does get into it. Take a shower cap or similar to protect it when in actual rain. Peter >I would _expect_ the K10D to be similarly good at keeping out the water as >the LX, but of course it'll be likely to stop working more completely and >probably more quickly if water ever does get into it. Yes, I'm hoping they have done an LX job and less hopefully suspect water and digital hate each other even more than film cameras. For serious hill days I take film as the old camera is much smaller, less likely to fail and I suppose now expendable. I rarely actually take shots in the rain but the inside of the rucksack can be pretty damp on a bad day. One + for digital is not changing film in blizzards, although since I had digital I've not had any real winter weather. SignatureMike Reid UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk" > >I would _expect_ the K10D to be similarly good at keeping out > >the water as the LX, but of course it'll be likely to stop working [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > film in blizzards, although since I had digital I've not had any real > winter weather. Yep, I'm wondering if this country doesn't 'do' real winters anymore. Just wet and increasingly windy ones. Something else to thank our hydrocarbon addiction for... I see that the new DA* lenses announced last year are also supposed to be sealed against the elements. Peter > One + for digital is not changing >> film in blizzards, although since I had digital I've not had any real [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >wet and increasingly windy ones. Something else to thank our hydrocarbon >addiction for... the only hope is the possible failure of the north Atlantic drift! >I see that the new DA* lenses announced last year are also supposed to be >sealed against the elements. Useful. Sadly cameras seem to have to be designed to have hundreds of features rather than the sort of things outdoor users want, weatherproof, small, light. I'd like a camera system weatherproofed like GPS units or my old "weathercam" which I took a lot of very low quality but highly atmospheric wild weather mountain footage on. SignatureMike Reid UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk" >You dont know what sort of people I am. On the contrary, your are about as obvious as can be. >>You dont know what sort of people I am. >On the contrary, your are about as obvious as can be. only to those who jump to what they see as "obvious" conclusions. I wonder how long we can keep this going? SignatureMike Reid UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk" >>But don't be surprised that, in the absence of any >>information as to what you might need it for, or expect it to do, >>no-one here cares whether you buy it or not. > > "As I use a telephoto in the great outdoors" didn't give any clues? I thought it did, but as I have no experience of the camera, I didn't post, which is probably the case for most other people. Slainte Liz Signaturehttp://www.v-liz.com - Kenya; Tanzania; Namibia; India; Galapagos Photo Gallery: http://www.betterphoto.com/gallery/gallery.asp?memberID=165111 >> "As I use a telephoto in the great outdoors" didn't give any clues? >I thought it did, but as I have no experience of the camera, I didn't >post, which is probably the case for most other people. I wasnt expecting a lot of replies, silence was fine, unless it was well known the camera was a dud. Which it seems it isnt. Loads of people posting "dunno" would have been odd :-) I'm looking forward to using the set aperture, set shutter, vary film speed program. And the 500mm lens I ordered too, christ, the CC bills! I suspect someone might have read "thought not :-(" as "nobody replied :-(" as opposed to:- "bugger, i'll have to buy it then :-(" SignatureMike Reid UK Walking - photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site Spain Walking -food "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk" > .... 500mm lens Oooooooh, spenny Mike. I have an idea how much I'd have to pay for the Canon equivalent. Not jealous at all ;-P Chris >Oooooooh, spenny Mike. I have an idea how much >I'd have to pay for the Canon equivalent. > >Not jealous at all ;-P you wont be jealous of my Tesco card! SignatureMike Reid UK Walking - photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site Spain Walking -food "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk" > >> "As I use a telephoto in the great outdoors" didn't give any clues? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I'm looking forward to using the set aperture, set shutter, vary > film speed program. And the 500mm lens I ordered too Which 500 did you get? I am assuming it's probably not the Pentax f4.5. Peter >And the 500mm lens I ordered too > >Which 500 did you get? I am assuming it's probably not the Pentax f4.5. I could only afford a Sigma zoom, maybe if the wildlife shots take off, I'll "invest" in one of those grey monsters or the Pentax, which at under £2000 wasnt as expensive as I expected. A lot seem nearer £3000. In fact I just went and added it to my Amazon wish list! SignatureMike Reid UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk" > I am assuming it's probably not the Pentax f4.5. > >I could only afford a Sigma zoom, maybe if the wildlife shots take >off, I'll "invest" in one of those grey monsters or the Pentax, which >at under £2000 wasnt as expensive as I expected. A lot seem nearer >£3000. ignoring other factors, thats £1400 to go from 5.6 to 4.5! SignatureMike Reid UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk" > >And the 500mm lens I ordered too > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > at under £2000 wasnt as expensive as I expected. A lot seem nearer > £3000. Actually it was the fact that the 500mm f4.5 is quite an old lens and I didn't think it was still in production that made me wonder. It's manual focus too, though you might not mind that (I wouldn't.) The 600mm f4 is a wonderful lens - but it weighs a ton, and costs a ton of cash too... Peter >Actually it was the fact that the 500mm f4.5 is quite an old lens and I >didn't think it was still in production that made me wonder. Is it. Amazon seem to think they can get it, but they often have old things still listed >It's manual focus too, though you might not mind that (I wouldn't.) I wasn't an autofocus fan till I got it when I went digital, for wildlife I think I prefer it so far, mostly I do landscape so its irrelevant. I just hate lenses where you cant read the hyperfocal point on the barrel. >The 600mm f4 is a wonderful lens - but it weighs a ton, and costs a ton of >cash too... I just read luminous landscape on the 500+ F4s. The reviewer said he found the biggest ones just too heavy* and I certainly cant justify the cost. Even the 170-500 is twice the length of my longest current lens! Maybe if there was a compromise, a 500 F5.6 or better non zoom at quality between the two, at say £900 I would be tempted if I get into this area more. Perhaps there is? *however, when I was last in the Shetlands a chap was using one hand held and seemed quite happy, didnt see the results though. SignatureMike Reid UK walking, food, photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site Spain walking, food, tourism "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk" > >Actually it was the fact that the 500mm f4.5 is quite an old lens and > >I didn't think it was still in production that made me wonder. > > Is it. Amazon seem to think they can get it, but they often have old > things still listed I _believe_ Pentax stopped making it in in 1998, but I wouldn't be surprised if they still have some in the warehouse as new stock. > >It's manual focus too, though you might not mind that (I wouldn't.) > > I wasn't an autofocus fan till I got it when I went digital, for > wildlife I think I prefer it so far, mostly I do landscape so its > irrelevant. I just hate lenses where you cant read the hyperfocal > point on the barrel. The K 500mm f4.5 does have DoF scales on the barrel, in the same style as other Pentax K lenses. > >The 600mm f4 is a wonderful lens - but it weighs a ton, and costs a > >ton of cash too... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > zoom at quality between the two, at say £900 I would be tempted if > I get into this area more. Perhaps there is? There is an A* 600mm f5.6 EDIF that was made up till 2000 which should be a better lens than the 500mm f4.5, but I know nothing about cost or availability - or, indeed, whether it has the DoF scale that you need (not that there is much DoF at all with a 600mm). If I could have either lens, and cost wasn't a factor, I'd have the 600 just because I've seen how much more contrast the newer Pentax ED long lenses have compared to earlier long glass. I wouldn't refuse the 500 if one fell in my lap though. There is a even a K 400-600mm f8-12 reflex zoom. This is a very high quality lens, despite its weirdness - but probably much too slow for what you want. > *however, when I was last in the Shetlands a chap was using one > hand held and seemed quite happy, didnt see the results though. The 500mm f4.5 weighs nearly 3.4kg, the 600mm f5.6 is about 3.3kg, and the 600mm f4 is a whopping 6.8kg. I could imagine using the former two handheld, but not the 600/4 - it's good on a monopod or bean-bag though. I use a Wimberley Side-kick with my big lenses. Peter > As I use a telephoto in the great outdoors it seems the K10D would be > an improvement on my *ist, given its 10 Mpixels, anti shake and anti > splash seals + other nice features. I dont suppose anyone can suggest > a reason I shouldnt load my credit card with even more debt? I hear tell that many people are unhappy with the built-in image processing / jpeg converter. I suppose that as long as you shoot RAW it will be pretty good. Have you looked at the review on www.dpreview.com? >Have you looked at the review on www.dpreview.com? yes, its a good detailed review, isn't it. (I always shoot RAW, so there seems to be no reason not to buy except lack of funds) SignatureMike Reid UK Walking - photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site Spain Walking -food "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk" >> Have you looked at the review on www.dpreview.com? > > yes, its a good detailed review, isn't it. (I always shoot RAW, so > there seems to be no reason not to buy except lack of funds) Which is, of course, the main reason I haven't. >> yes, its a good detailed review, isn't it. (I always shoot RAW, so >> there seems to be no reason not to buy except lack of funds) > >Which is, of course, the main reason I haven't. pity if its let itself down on a thing like that. Still, its saved you some money. You didn't consider converting them post-camera? Of course the real reason I want it is to look macho with a nice expensive camera with a huge dangling lens on the front. SignatureMike Reid UK Walking - photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site Spain Walking -food "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" Beginners UK flight sim addons "http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk" >>> yes, its a good detailed review, isn't it. (I always shoot RAW, so >>> there seems to be no reason not to buy except lack of funds) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Of course the real reason I want it is to look macho with a nice > expensive camera with a huge dangling lens on the front. Sure. What I meant was my reason for not buying one is lack of funds. |
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