I keep reading about IS in modern cameras and lenses and people seem to
go on about it as if it's essential. It's not in any camera I have and
it was never in any camera I've ever had.
I've managed to get perfectly good and sharp shots over the years,
hand-held with 450mm lenses. The rule of thumb was that to avoid lens
movement ruining a shot you the shutter speed in fractions of a second
must be at least the length of lens used. So, if you're shooting wide
open in low light with a 50mm lens you can get away with 1/60th sec. But
if you're shooting on a sunny day, but in the woods, with a 450mm you
need 1/500 sec. You know there is a risk of shake so you're careful, if
you can use a tripod you do, if not then a monopod, or a bean bag, or
rest the lens on a branch, or lean against a tree. With a little care
you can get that speed down without needing a tripod.
Just what is the big deal with IS? Have I missed the point? Weren't most
of the best photo's in the world shot without it?
I'm not looking to start a flame war and this is not a troll.

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John Bean - 05 Jan 2007 23:46 GMT
>Just what is the big deal with IS? Have I missed the point? Weren't most
>of the best photo's in the world shot without it?
You can ask the same question about absolutely any
technological change in photography. Instead ask the
opposite question - why aren't we all using wet plates in
our (large) cameras and processing each individually
immediately after exposure before it has a chance to dry?

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Malcolm Stewart - 05 Jan 2007 23:59 GMT
>I keep reading about IS in modern cameras and lenses and people seem to
> go on about it as if it's essential. It's not in any camera I have and
> it was never in any camera I've ever had.
I have one lens with IS, the Canon EF 28-135. It's a zoom, and since I went
digital, most shots have been with fixed focal length lenses, so I've hardly
used the IS. It did (sort of) help many years ago, on film, when I came
across some very young ducklings in a shadowy piece of Thames backwater. I
got the background quite sharp, and the ducklings were quite a blur - 0.5s,
from memory!
Now, I'd rack up the ISO to 1600 or even 3200, and hope the noise was kept
under control!

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Tony Polson - 06 Jan 2007 00:37 GMT
>I keep reading about IS in modern cameras and lenses and people seem to
>go on about it as if it's essential. It's not in any camera I have and
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>Just what is the big deal with IS? Have I missed the point? Weren't most
>of the best photo's in the world shot without it?
IS enables you to get sharp, shake-free photos using a shutter speed 3
stops slower than the 1/focal length rule. It is not essential if you
can obtain a shutter speed of 1/focal length, perhaps by increasing
the ISP speed you are shooting at.
Of course you might still need the faster shutter speed to freeze
action. IS does not help with that, only with camera shake.
You can take a wide range of shots without IS. But there is no doubt
that a wider range of shots is possible with IS.
I was sceptical until I got my Canon 5D, 24-105mm and 70-200mm IS
lenses. Now I am convinced of the value of IS for some of my shots.
To be able to shoot in low light with a 24mm lens at 1/8 second or
even 1/4 and still get pin sharp shots is a joy. But if the subject
moves, IS doesn't work very well at all!
harrogate3 - 06 Jan 2007 08:47 GMT
> I keep reading about IS in modern cameras and lenses and people seem to
> go on about it as if it's essential. It's not in any camera I have and
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>
> I'm not looking to start a flame war and this is not a troll.
Simple. The average camera user (irk?) these days knows little or
nothing about photography - even the little rule that you and any
photographer worth his or her salt knows only too well.
So to get over the problem of people blaming their tools because they
don't know what they are doing why not use a bit of software that
takes it out of their hands. Then they get what they think are
acceptable pictures and the trade gets no comes-backs. Easy really.
Evidence? How many people go around places like York Minster or
Trafalgar Square and take pictures on a phone camera and are happy
with the results?
I rest my case M'Lud.

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Bill Wright - 06 Jan 2007 14:16 GMT
> Evidence? How many people go around places like York Minster or
> Trafalgar Square and take pictures on a phone camera and are happy
> with the results?
This stupid woman came up to me yesterday and invited me to look at the
screen on her phone, which carried a picture of her dog. The dog was in the
distance and I was clearly expected to coo over it, yet it only occupied
about five pixels and could have been any brown quadruped or indeed a small
rock. It seems that a very large part of the appreciation of photographs is
to do with perception and memory rather than the image itself. I coo-ed.
Bill
Harry Stottle - 06 Jan 2007 16:01 GMT
>> Evidence? How many people go around places like York Minster or
>> Trafalgar Square and take pictures on a phone camera and are happy
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> the screen on her phone, which carried a picture of her dog. The dog
> was in the distance and I was clearly expected to coo over it
Get a divorce, it worked for me;-)
Laurence Payne - 06 Jan 2007 09:50 GMT
>Just what is the big deal with IS? Have I missed the point? Weren't most
>of the best photo's in the world shot without it?
All of the best photographs in the world were shot on whatever
equipment was available at the time. Have you any SENSIBLE objections
to is?
Michael J Davis - 06 Jan 2007 18:24 GMT
Justin C <justin.0612@purestblue.com> observed
>I keep reading about IS in modern cameras and lenses and people seem to
>go on about it as if it's essential. It's not in any camera I have and
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>rest the lens on a branch, or lean against a tree. With a little care
>you can get that speed down without needing a tripod.
Absolutely right! I do all those things too. So you've never lost a shot
due to camera shake? And on a day like today, where the best I could do
was 1/4sec at 200ASA f2.8? At times like this I need a little help - and
I'm not proud - as a photographer I use all the help I can get. Tripod,
monopod, beanbag. I got the lot. Regrettably I no longer have an f2.0
lens, but that's only one stop better than I have got.
>Just what is the big deal with IS? Have I missed the point? Weren't most
>of the best photo's in the world shot without it?
What's the big deal with 400 ASA or higher film, What's the big deal
with f1.4 lenses, what's the big deal with aspheric glass?
>I'm not looking to start a flame war and this is not a troll.
Good. If it doesn't work for you, don't worry.
I love the Venus 2 engine on my little Panasonic - at 12x zoon I can get
reasonable pix in even dull conditions - which would be useless without.
Look at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/watchman/221391198/
which is magnified from the centre of an image taken at 12x zoom (420mm
equiv.) at 1/100 sec. - me in squatting position.
(And yes, the image could still be better!)
It would have been hopeless without IS.
The disadvantage, of course, is that while using longer exposures, the
IS doesn't (yet) compensate for subject movement. It'll come!!
HIH
Mike
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Toke Eskildsen - 07 Jan 2007 17:11 GMT
> The disadvantage, of course, is that while using longer exposures,
> the IS doesn't (yet) compensate for subject movement. It'll come!!
It might be possible for subjects that doesn't turn, but only move
around. One simple idea would be to take two photos at a non-blurring
shutter speed, then determine what has been moved and add the sensor-
information for the moved pixels. I believe something like it is
already done for astronomy pictures, where it is called stacking?
As for turning objects, I don't see what could be done. But I would
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Justin C - 07 Jan 2007 23:57 GMT
> I love the Venus 2 engine on my little Panasonic - at 12x zoon I can get
> reasonable pix in even dull conditions - which would be useless without.
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>
> It would have been hopeless without IS.
Nice feather detail.
I have to say I am now wiser WRT IS. I obviously hadn't given it much
thought. I suppose it's down to implementation as to whether I'd buy a
camera with it - it may be that there will come a time when you can't
buy a camera without it - if it added significantly to the size or
weight I'd be averse.
I shall read more posts about it when they come up and hope to
understand it further (I'm not interested enough to go looking for info
just yet).
Thanks Michael, and everyone else, for your replies.

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Liz Leyden - 06 Jan 2007 22:50 GMT
> I keep reading about IS in modern cameras and lenses and people seem to
> go on about it as if it's essential. It's not in any camera I have and
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> rest the lens on a branch, or lean against a tree. With a little care
> you can get that speed down without needing a tripod.
In poorer light, but where fixing the camera isn't a possibility, e.g.
following an irregularly moving subject, and you don't want to rack up
the ISO, it'd be a real boon. Shooting here, I don't often get the
sort of light to use the reciprocal speed, so I do sort-of covet an IS
lens. I can live without it. Also, some people because of health
problems can't hold a camera as steady as others.
Slainte
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Cathode Ray - 24 Jan 2007 08:45 GMT
> > I keep reading about IS in modern cameras and lenses and people seem to
> > go on about it as if it's essential. It's not in any camera I have and
> > it was never in any camera I've ever had.
I have four Canon IS lenses ranging over focal lengths from 18mm to
400mm, used on EOS 3, 30D and 5D bodies. As others have commented they
allow you to get away with hand held shots at higher shutter speeds
I work for a national utility company as the heat of testing &
development and we have a helicopter that we use to patrol and survey
high voltage overhead lines. It is fitted with gyro stabilised infra
red, visible light and ultra-violet (used to detect corona discharge)
cameras for this purpose.
Recently I have started to use my 30D with the 100-400M Canon IS lens
to take detailed photographs of the lines, pylons, masts, insulators
and fittings and image stabilisation is absolutely essential for this
application as it reduces the vibration of the helicopter to an
absolute minimum. I tend to shoot at ISO 400 to ensure a reasonably
fast shutter speed. Image quality has been excellent with minimal blur.
Next month I will try the 5D for this application and see if the
additional pixel count improves the detail further, although being a
full frame sensor, the advantage of the 1.6x focal length
multiplication of the 30D will be lost. Time for a teleconverter
perhaps?
I know most subscribers to this group won't have the opportunity to
undertake aerial photography, but if you do, IS is a must. I presume
that it would be similarly useful when photographing from other moving
vehicles such as ships, cars etc.
Ray