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Nikon 18-200mm VR lens waiting times

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Francis Turton - 29 Nov 2006 01:05 GMT
I ordered a Nikon 18-200mm VR lens from shopping4cameras.com, which
said it was "normally delivered within 28 days". However the 28 days
are now up, and I've been reading around about this lens's availability
and I fear I may have a much longer wait on my hands after all :(

Has anyone here ordered this lens? It would be nice to know if the
extra wait is going to be in the order of weeks or months. Thanks.

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Richard Polhill - 29 Nov 2006 08:41 GMT
> I ordered a Nikon 18-200mm VR lens from shopping4cameras.com, which
> said it was "normally delivered within 28 days". However the 28 days
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18-200mm? Wow!

I've nothing useful to add but, 18-200mm! Cor!
Francis Turton - 29 Nov 2006 23:17 GMT
> > I ordered a Nikon 18-200mm VR lens from shopping4cameras.com, which
> > said it was "normally delivered within 28 days". However the 28 days
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>
> I've nothing useful to add but, 18-200mm! Cor!

I gather most lenses with such a wide focal range are a bit dodgy but
the critical consensus on this one seems to be that it's a winner. It
has its limitations, but I gather the cheaper smaller-range Nokia
lenses that it replaces aren't brilliant anyway and you're as well
going with this one (except, clearly, for the fact that you'll go grey
waiting for it).

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Francis Turton - 30 Nov 2006 00:07 GMT
> has its limitations, but I gather the cheaper smaller-range Nokia

Duh. I mean Nikon. (I work in mobile telecomms, and it's late :) )

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Richard Polhill - 30 Nov 2006 08:09 GMT
>> has its limitations, but I gather the cheaper smaller-range Nokia
>
> Duh. I mean Nikon. (I work in mobile telecomms, and it's late :) )
>
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You know it's amazing the number of times I've typed Nokia when meaning Nikon.
Tony Polson - 29 Nov 2006 09:31 GMT
>I ordered a Nikon 18-200mm VR lens from shopping4cameras.com, which
>said it was "normally delivered within 28 days". However the 28 days
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Has anyone here ordered this lens? It would be nice to know if the
>extra wait is going to be in the order of weeks or months. Thanks.

Let's get this straight.  You ordered a lens online, paid for it and
it hasn't been delivered after 28 days.  

You should contact the seller and find out why.  You are wasting your
time asking questions here; your problem is with the supplier you
chose to order from.  So contact them.

Who on earth are "shopping4cameras.com" anyway?  Did it not occur to
you to order from a reputable, well known supplier?  

I hope you get your lens soon, but if not, do reflect on the wisdom of
saving a few pennies by going to a supplier with an uncertain
reputation.
Francis Turton - 29 Nov 2006 11:21 GMT
> Let's get this straight.  You ordered a lens online, paid for it and
> it hasn't been delivered after 28 days.
>
> You should contact the seller and find out why.  You are wasting your
> time asking questions here; your problem is with the supplier you
> chose to order from.  So contact them.

(a) I haven't paid for it - I don't get charged till it's shipped.
(b) I don't have a problem with the seller.
(c) I'm not wasting my time as I've already had one useful answer
(thanks Peter Parry).

So don't jump to conclusions. I happen to know this lens is in short
supply the world over and I wanted some advice on how long I'm
realistically going to have to wait for it (as opposed to how long the
retailer tells me I'll have to wait).

> Who on earth are "shopping4cameras.com" anyway?  Did it not occur to
> you to order from a reputable, well known supplier?
>
> I hope you get your lens soon, but if not, do reflect on the wisdom of
> saving a few pennies by going to a supplier with an uncertain
> reputation.

shopping4cameras have a good rating on the online retailer comparison
sites. I'd never order from a supplier I hadn't done some research on.

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Geoff Berrow - 29 Nov 2006 12:08 GMT
Message-ID: <1164799280.763711.219240@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> from
Francis Turton contained the following:

>(a) I haven't paid for it - I don't get charged till it's shipped.
>(b) I don't have a problem with the seller.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>realistically going to have to wait for it (as opposed to how long the
>retailer tells me I'll have to wait).
According to this
http://uk.best-price.com/procSystem,showProductSearchByUserSearch,,0,Nikon+18-20
0Mm+Vr.html

it is in stock.
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Tony Polson - 29 Nov 2006 16:48 GMT
> According to this
>http://uk.best-price.com/procSystem,showProductSearchByUserSearch,,0,Nikon+18-20
0Mm+Vr.html

>it is in stock.

They are always "in stock" up to the point just after the website
accepts your payment.  

After that, the words "back order" mysteriously appear.  :-(
Geoff Berrow - 29 Nov 2006 17:01 GMT
Message-ID: <kcerm2h3hnjf9nfu4hdj1t7p94qtqjt6da@4ax.com> from Tony
Polson contained the following:

>They are always "in stock" up to the point just after the website
>accepts your payment.  
>
>After that, the words "back order" mysteriously appear.  :-(

Ah...

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Richard Polhill - 30 Nov 2006 08:14 GMT
>> According to this
>> http://uk.best-price.com/procSystem,showProductSearchByUserSearch,,0,Nikon+18-20
0Mm+Vr.html

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>
> After that, the words "back order" mysteriously appear.  :-(

I suspect that they do not hold any stock at all, in fact I'd put money on it.
They'll take orders and get the goods delivered directly from their
wholesalers. Which means that they actually have no idea as to whether it is
in stock at the time you order, just immediately after when the confirmation
comes back from the wholesaler's system.

It is how most cut price internet resellers work, especially in computing. I
cannot see how photographic equipment will be handled differently.
Tony Polson - 30 Nov 2006 11:47 GMT
>>> According to this
>>> http://uk.best-price.com/procSystem,showProductSearchByUserSearch,,0,Nikon+18-20
0Mm+Vr.html

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>It is how most cut price internet resellers work, especially in computing. I
>cannot see how photographic equipment will be handled differently.

Exactly.
Roger Whitehead - 02 Dec 2006 13:11 GMT
> Who on earth are "shopping4cameras.com" anyway?  Did it not occur to
> you to order from a reputable, well known supplier?

They're part of Jessops, which, if possibly not reputable, is at least
well known.

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Tony Polson - 02 Dec 2006 22:14 GMT
>> Who on earth are "shopping4cameras.com" anyway?  Did it not occur to
>> you to order from a reputable, well known supplier?
>
>They're part of Jessops, which, if possibly not reputable, is at least
>well known.

I didn't know they were part of Jessops, but that could explain why
the service is crap.

Jessops is the new Dixons.  Discuss.  

;-)
Flying Rat - 03 Dec 2006 16:38 GMT
> >> Who on earth are "shopping4cameras.com" anyway?  Did it not occur to
> >> you to order from a reputable, well known supplier?
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>
> ;-)

You can occasionally get a bargain at Dixons (or the DSG group stores in
general). I've yet to see anything at a decent price in Jessops.

So on the grounds that DSG has at least one redeeming feature.....I
think we can safely say that jessops is sub-Dixons nowadays.
Tony Polson - 03 Dec 2006 22:18 GMT
>Tony Polson wrote:
>> I didn't know they were part of Jessops, but that could explain why
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>You can occasionally get a bargain at Dixons (or the DSG group stores in
>general). I've yet to see anything at a decent price in Jessops.

That's very true.  :-(

>So on the grounds that DSG has at least one redeeming feature.....I
>think we can safely say that jessops is sub-Dixons nowadays.

You're right.  Jessops are bad news for the consumer.
Peter Parry - 29 Nov 2006 11:00 GMT
>I ordered a Nikon 18-200mm VR lens from shopping4cameras.com, which
>said it was "normally delivered within 28 days".

Only if you redefine the unit commonly called the day to be a week
long.

>However the 28 days
>are now up, and I've been reading around about this lens's availability
>and I fear I may have a much longer wait on my hands after all :(

Mine arrived two months ago after a wait of 6 months.  Purdys
(www.ajpurdy.co.uk) were very helpful and arranged the loan of
another lens for a holiday in the meantime (I had also purchased a
D200 body from them).  They only required a small deposit up front,
and were quite open and accurate with their guess of how long it
would take to arrive.   Ultimately there isn't a lot more the
supplier can do if stock isn't there.

>Has anyone here ordered this lens? It would be nice to know if the
>extra wait is going to be in the order of weeks or months.

Probably months, but it is worth the wait.  If your original supplier
takes longer than 30 days to deliver you can cancel the contract
under the Distance Selling Regulations (Sect 19(1), 19(2)and 19(5)).
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Francis Turton - 30 Nov 2006 13:07 GMT
> Mine arrived two months ago after a wait of 6 months.  Purdys
> (www.ajpurdy.co.uk) were very helpful and arranged the loan of
> another lens for a holiday in the meantime (I had also purchased a
> D200 body from them).

That's nice of them. If I knew how long it would take for the 18-200 to
arrive I'd have gone with a seller that offered a similar service.

> They only required a small deposit up front,
> and were quite open and accurate with their guess of how long it
> would take to arrive.

That's more than can be said for shopping4cameras and they will
definitely be losing a feedback star from me for that.

> >Has anyone here ordered this lens? It would be nice to know if the
> >extra wait is going to be in the order of weeks or months.
>
> Probably months, but it is worth the wait.

Oh well, that's something :)

> If your original supplier
> takes longer than 30 days to deliver you can cancel the contract
> under the Distance Selling Regulations (Sect 19(1), 19(2)and 19(5)).

While I'm mildly annoyed that s4c clearly knew delivery would be longer
than 28 days, there doesn't seem much point in cancelling the order
given that I've already done a month of "time" with them :)

Thanks for the information!

Francis

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Francis Turton - 06 Dec 2006 15:27 GMT
> > If your original supplier
> > takes longer than 30 days to deliver you can cancel the contract
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> than 28 days, there doesn't seem much point in cancelling the order
> given that I've already done a month of "time" with them :)

Well, I phoned up shopping4cameras the day I posted this, and was told
it was unlikely they'd be getting another delivery before Christmas.

Then what should happen that night but I get an email from them saying
it had been fully dispatched.

It had been too - unfortunately a day too late for me to take on
holiday but still: here it is :)

Disturbed to learn of the Jessops link tho'.

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Andrew Haley - 11 Dec 2006 18:21 GMT
> I ordered a Nikon 18-200mm VR lens from shopping4cameras.com, which
> said it was "normally delivered within 28 days". However the 28 days
> are now up, and I've been reading around about this lens's availability
> and I fear I may have a much longer wait on my hands after all :(

> Has anyone here ordered this lens? It would be nice to know if the
> extra wait is going to be in the order of weeks or months. Thanks.

It's probably not your supplier's fault: Nikon are having a difficult
time meeting demand.  It's a complex lens with no fewer than three
aspherical elements, and it is selling extremely well.

My dealer would not promise any delivery date at all: in the end, I
had to wait for about 40 days or so.

Andrew.
Francis Turton - 11 Dec 2006 19:49 GMT
> > I ordered a Nikon 18-200mm VR lens from shopping4cameras.com, which
> > said it was "normally delivered within 28 days". However the 28 days
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> time meeting demand.  It's a complex lens with no fewer than three
> aspherical elements, and it is selling extremely well.

Yes, I knew that. I didn't have a beef with the supplier - I just
wanted to adjust my expectations appropriately.

As it happens, in the end the lens only arrived 2 days later than the
"normal" 28. I've no complaints about that, even though I may just have
been lucky.

I can definitely say the lens rocks (in the figurative, not literal,
sense). All I need now is for the bloody rain to stop so I can actually
take some worthwhile pictures :)

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