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Photo Forum / General Photo Topics / UK Photography / October 2006Poor prints from Photoshop CS2
Printing from Photoshop CS2 has become a real headache. All of the prints are too dark. The same file, imported into a Word document, prints much better, and an image from the internet, sent to the printer also prints very well, so I can't blame the printer. When I take the same file to another computer running Photoshop 7 and a different printer, it also looks much better. I bought a Spyder calibration meter and tried to run that but I'm afraid that I don't really know what to do with the results. I would appreciate any advice on how to set up the color profiles to get my images to look like they do on the monitor. My monitor is a Samsung SyncMaster 913n and my printer is an Epson Photo 700, and I run Win XP SP2 and use Epson glossy photo paper Thanks. I don't print my own photos because of all of the different things to have to control, but here are some questions you have to answer for yourself: What color space in PS are you working in/printing from? RGB, sRGB. CYMK? Did you calibrate your printer? Did you get color profiles for your printer? Did you get color profiles for the paper that you are using. Thr first thing is to make sure that your monitor is calibrated, that what you see is accurate. Then you need to calibrate your printer - your ink affects your colors, and so does your choice of paper.  SignatureIf time slows down as velocity increases, then my broadband connection must be really fast ! Stan Beck > From New Orleans to Brandon MS To reply, remove 101 from address. *** > Printing from Photoshop CS2 has become a real headache. > All of the prints are too dark. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > 700, and I run Win XP SP2 and use Epson glossy photo paper > Thanks. Can you please tell me how to do this ? I'm not too familiar with this. Thanks ! Sven > Did you calibrate your printer? > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> 700, and I run Win XP SP2 and use Epson glossy photo paper >> Thanks. Sorry, but I can't. As I said, I don't print my own photos, because 1.) it's a lot of trouble; and 2.) it costs more in terms of paper/ink prices, including the wasted ink and paper used in the calibration process. Some of the more complete calibration packages, which include the spider for monitor calibration, also have the software and tools to calibrate your printer. I would look at the advanced ColorVision products or the Monaco or Macbeth systems (more expensive). Wish I could be more help. SignatureIf time slows down as velocity increases, then my broadband connection must be really fast ! Stan Beck > From New Orleans to Brandon MS To reply, remove 101 from address. *** > Can you please tell me how to do this ? I'm not too familiar with this. > Thanks ! [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >>> 700, and I run Win XP SP2 and use Epson glossy photo paper >>> Thanks. > Can you please tell me how to do this ? I'm not too familiar with this. > Thanks ! > > Sven Tools delivered with a spectophotometer help you to print a test page with a lot of color patches. After that, use the spectophotometer to measure each individual patch (more expensive models do that automatically). The software creates a profile for you for the specific inks and paper you used. VirtualV > Printing from Photoshop CS2 has become a real headache. > All of the prints are too dark. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > 700, and I run Win XP SP2 and use Epson glossy photo paper > Thanks. Hi! Try Alt + Ctrl + P (Print with preview), then Be sure you have "let Photoshop determine colors", then whatever you use such as "working RGB", relative colorimetric, etc. If you let the printer determine the colors, it will be awful unless your printer has been defined in the same way as Photoshop. Marcel my suggestion is use correct settint in photoshop , printer driver and using correct icc profile in your printer . then you can get pro result . otherwise printing form photoshop is merely a headache . here are some suggestions to setup photoshop How to setup photoshop select edit > color settings 1.select "north America prepress 2" in settings 2.working spaces : a)rgb : adobe rgb (1998) b)cmyk: u.s web coated (swop) v2 c)gray: dot gain 20% d)spot: dot gain 20% 3.color management policies a)rgb : preserve embedded profiles b)cmyk: preserve embedded profiles c)gray: preserve embedded profiles d)profile mismatches :click ask when opening and ask when pasting e)missing profiles : click ask when opening 4.conversion options a)engine : adobe (ace) b)intent: perceptual or relative colorimetric c)click : use black point compensations and dither d) advanced controls d1) uncheck desaturate monitor colors d2) uncheck blend rgb colors using gamma e)select print with preview f)select document g)color handling : let the photoshop manage colors k)select proper printer profile (custom printe profile is preferred) l)rendering indent :perceptual m)set your printer driver n)"best photo" quality option is recmonded o)select "no color management "in the print driver p)Print the picture For more information on custom icc profiles check www.custtomiccprofiles.com > my suggestion is use correct settint in photoshop , printer driver >and using correct icc profile in your printer . then you can get pro [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >select edit > color settings > 1.select "north America prepress 2" in settings WRONG From OP's header:- Newsgroups: alt. photography, rec.photo.misc, rec.photo.technique.art, uk.rec.photo.misc Subject: Poor prints from Photoshop CS2 From: Luis Ortega <lortega@ntlworld.com> This was copied to UK.rec.photo.misc and as NTLWorld is a UK ISP why would he want to set a US setting? > 2.working spaces : > a)rgb : adobe rgb (1998) > b)cmyk: u.s web coated (swop) v2 Wrong again.. OP not in US...... Signature\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ /\/\/ chris@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Thanks guys, I am in UK and I can select European prepress in PSCS2. I did a monitor calibration with my Spyder hardware and then a printer profile and some tests. Interestingly, the differences between US and European prepress are indistinguishable to my eyes and my wife's as well. But the differences between using PSCS2 and letting the printer do colour management did show some differences. We tended to agree that letting the printer do colour management produced somewhat stronger results. When PSCS2 does colour management (with the correct printer profile entered) the prints are just slightly lighter and softer. With the printer handling colour management on automatic the prints are a tiny bit richer in colour and slightly darker in the shadow tones. I assume that going to windows and telling it to install the latest profile created makes it use my profile instead of the generic epson photo 700 profile that came with windoes, but I'm not sure. We also realized that unless we have a good exposure on the original photo, things are much harder to get looking nice, even if we can tweak the photo in PSCS2. The differences between letting PSCS2 and the printer do colour management are very slight with a good photo. This surprised me as I though that PSCS2 would be better at printing than my older epson photo 700. Does anyone think that getting one of the newer printers, say the epson photo 340, will improve the ability to colour manage as opposed to finer resolution images or not. Thanks for all the advice offered. >> my suggestion is use correct settint in photoshop , printer driver >>and using correct icc profile in your printer . then you can get pro [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Wrong again.. OP not in US...... > Printing from Photoshop CS2 has become a real headache. > All of the prints are too dark. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > 700, and I run Win XP SP2 and use Epson glossy photo paper > Thanks. If the color management is handled by the printer (driver), make sure Photoshop isn't doing the color conversions (or visa versa). VirtualV you can manage color with printer driver and get result from acceptable to excellent . this all depends how you setup and use printer drivers .If you use printer driver for color management then there is no point to use this expensive graphics editing software specially photoshop . photoshop is a software that can give you pro result if you use proper setting . by letting photoshop not to color manage is sending printer a garbage values. and you get garbage in = garbage out . which nobody wants. > Printing from Photoshop CS2 has become a real headache. > All of the prints are too dark .....snip..... > My monitor is a Samsung SyncMaster 913n and my printer is an Epson Photo > 700, and I run Win XP SP2 and use Epson glossy photo paper Check your printer driver and update as needed. I remember reading at dpreview that MS Broke Clolorsync profiles in XP SP2 and that caused a lot of Epson users grief with prints from PSCS2. Supposedly an updated driver or profile fixes it. |
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