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Security of a camera whilst travelling abroad.

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DAVE PRICE - 29 Jul 2006 19:13 GMT
Security of a camera whilst travelling abroad.

Hi all

This may be slightly 'Off topic'

I'm thinking of visiting either Prague, Budapest or Krakow this January.  I
have visited both Prague and Budapest this year using my Canon A85

The A85 was easily slipped into my pocket when on the trams metro etc.    I
now have a Canon EOS 350D a much more expensive camera and far too large for
my pocket.

My question is:- how do others secure  their camera so that it's not
snatched when travelling to places away from home. Especially when the
camera is mounted on a tripod.

Regards Dave

Bristol UK

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Brian - 29 Jul 2006 20:47 GMT
>Security of a camera whilst travelling abroad.
>
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>
>and    uk.rec.photo.misc

Basically with if the camera's out I wear it round my neck with a hand
on it.  If its in it's top loader case I have the strap around the
body (courier style) not over the shoulder and in a few really dodgy
places I've had a second waist strap on the bag as well.

I would think carrying the tripod with an strap attached to it and
over the body would do.  I carry my birding tripod that way - for
comfort not security tho'.

I didn't feel at all threatened in Poland last year.

Brian
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Alan Clifford - 30 Jul 2006 13:55 GMT
B> (for email change closed to open)

You used "From: Brian <briansngfbox@btclosedworld.com>".  It is rather bad
form to use someone else's domain in newsgroup postings and
btclosedworld.com belongs to someone:  

Registrant:
MatthewKeay
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Domain name: BTCLOSEDWORLD.COM

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Brian - 31 Jul 2006 22:04 GMT
> B> (for email change closed to open)
>
> It is rather bad form to use someone else's domain in newsgroup postings
> and btclosedworld.com belongs to someone:
>
> Registrant:
[snips]

Hmm, and probably slightly worse form to broadcast their name &
street address to all of newsnet.  :(

B.
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Brian - 01 Aug 2006 09:36 GMT
>> It is rather bad form to use someone else's domain in newsgroup postings
>> and btclosedworld.com belongs to someone:
>>
>> Registrant:
>[snips]

I can't find it and Google doesn't appear to know it other than a
fairly common munging for btopenworld.  If you would confirm I'll
change my munged addy and post to an appropriate BTO newsgroup to pass
on the info.

Brian
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A.Lee - 01 Aug 2006 16:42 GMT
> I can't find it and Google doesn't appear to know it other than a
> fairly common munging for btopenworld.  If you would confirm I'll
> change my munged addy and post to an appropriate BTO newsgroup to pass
> on the info.

The domain holder will be getting all of your junk usenet mail.
For domain name queries, try here:
http://whois.co.uk/cart/index.htm

It'll come up with name either free or alloctaed, and that'll give a
link to the domain name owner.
Alan.
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Alan Clifford - 01 Aug 2006 19:53 GMT
B>
B> >>
B> >> It is rather bad form to use someone else's domain in newsgroup postings
B> >> and btclosedworld.com belongs to someone:
B> >>
B> >> Registrant:
B> >[snips]
B> >
B> I can't find it and Google doesn't appear to know it other than a
B> fairly common munging for btopenworld.  If you would confirm I'll
B> change my munged addy and post to an appropriate BTO newsgroup to pass
B> on the info.
B>
B> Brian
B> (for email change closed to open)
B>

Not really a topic for this newsgroup so I shan't reply again.

What do you wish me to do to confirm what I have already told you?  Just
do a whois query of the domain name to confirm what I have told you for
yourself.

If you want to use an invalid domain, use the .invalid domain which is a
name reserved for use as an invalid domain - see
http://rfc.net/rfc2606.html or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-level_domain

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Doctor J. Frink - 01 Aug 2006 21:46 GMT
>>> It is rather bad form to use someone else's domain in newsgroup postings
>>> and btclosedworld.com belongs to someone:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>change my munged addy and post to an appropriate BTO newsgroup to pass
>on the info.

Even if it weren't registered now it could be in the future, and that
domain would start to collect spam from your munged address.

The only safe option is to choose a domain that will never be used and
that can be guaranteed by using .invalid

eg briansngfbox@btclosedworld.com.invalid

as (I believe) the .invalid TLD is reserved for just such instances.

Frink

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Brian - 01 Aug 2006 23:28 GMT
>The only safe option is to choose a domain that will never be used and
>that can be guaranteed by using .invalid
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Frink

Thank you for that. I think I've now complied.

Brian

Brian

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Brian - 01 Aug 2006 23:35 GMT
>B> (for email change closed to open)
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>
> Domain name: BTCLOSEDWORLD.COM
For some reason your original post didn't reach my newsreader or news
server - I responded to the snipped one from the other Brian so hadn't
seen the info above.  There's an awful lot goes on out there my silver
surfer brain knows nothing of or about.
Hope I satisfy the netiquette now.

Brian

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Brian - 01 Aug 2006 23:41 GMT
>Hope I satisfy the netiquette now.
>
>Brian
>
>(For email change closed to open)
..and I've change the signature file.

Brian
David Kilpatrick - 29 Jul 2006 21:07 GMT
> Security of a camera whilst travelling abroad.
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> snatched when travelling to places away from home. Especially when the
> camera is mounted on a tripod.

We've done a week in Prague and a week in Buda (staying in Buda, which
beats staying in Pest which can be a bit scary in terms of streetlife).
Carrying not one but two to four cameras, photo backpack, bags, lenses
etc between us and using nothing but public transport bus and metro, and
walking in both places.

Felt entirely secure, even in remote or off-mainstreet areas, evening,
day, night, parks, zoos, fairgrounds, castles, churches, museums,
woodlands and countryside, suburbs. Certainly no more threat than you
would feel in Edinburgh or Newcastle and probably less than you would
feel in London.

Altogether a better experience in both places than our last visit to
Paris, which is the world's least attractive and romantic city by
comparison and yielded an instant £30-for-£7 ticket scam when someone
'helped us' get the right metro pass on arrival (still don't know how
they did it, appeared to press all the right buttons for a 7-day pass,
showed the right money - presumably palmed single journey tickets in
place of the 7-dayers as the machine spat the real ones out).

In Prague our hotel involved walking a few hundred metres through pine
woods with cycle paths at night. In Buda, we made the decision to walk 2
kilometres to the main metro station to buy our one-week pass rather
than get a taxi or as yet un-sussed bus. We also walked the entire
circuit of Margaret Island which was well populated with dossers. Ended
up sheltering from a sudden downpour with two robust-looking rough
sleepers complete with bottles in hand. We acknowledged their existence,
they didn't bother us.

Here's a URL for what we filed with Alamy from Budapest - may not seem a
lot for a short week, but we're not machine-gun shooters and only put
shots with sales potential on Alamy, and this excludes our RF material
under a different pseudonym:

http://www.alamy.com/stock-photography-search-results.asp?qt=budapest+kilpatrick

Both visits were made in Spring/Summer; we booked Budapest for a January
trip, but a week before it was due, looked at the weather for
photography and the answer was awful - so we switched the booking for
May and the conditions were fine. Usual Easyjet flexibility.

David
Michael J Davis - 06 Aug 2006 11:58 GMT
David Kilpatrick <iconmags3@btconnect.com> observed
>> Security of a camera whilst travelling abroad.
>>    Hi all
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>would feel in Edinburgh or Newcastle and probably less than you would
>feel in London.

I have a friend who, in Prague, put his bag on the ground to take a
photo then looked down to find the bag had gone.

;-(

Mike

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Bandicoot - 06 Aug 2006 16:09 GMT
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> I have a friend who, in Prague, put his bag on the ground to take a
> photo then looked down to find the bag had gone.

Sadly, that can happen absolutely anywhere, and shoulddn't be seen as
reflecting on Prague in particular.

If I must put a bag on the ground, unless I am completely alone I always
step through the shoulder strap, and/or clamp the bag between my feet.

Peter
Luke Bosman - 29 Jul 2006 22:01 GMT
> My question is:- how do others secure  their camera so that it's not
> snatched when travelling to places away from home. Especially when the
> camera is mounted on a tripod.

More often than not my camera is kept securely round my neck. In the
event of someone trying to remove it from the tripod, I have several
feet of blunt instrument in my hand with which to see off any potential
thief.

I have never had any issues with this, however. (Fingers crossed: I'm
taking the kit to West Africa tomorrow.)

Luke

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Bandicoot - 03 Aug 2006 03:14 GMT
> Security of a camera whilst travelling abroad.
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> snatched when travelling to places away from home. Especially when
> the camera is mounted on a tripod.

These are not 'high risk' places, but of course opportunists do exist
everywhere.  One thing I've always done is have a carabiner and short length
of climbing sling in a pocket of my bag.  The sling can go through a loop on
the bag and any time I feel I want a little extra 'grab protection' the
'biner gets clipped to my belt.

The bag is usually over my shoulder diagonally, and may have a waist belt
too (for comfort more than security) so it is pretty secure anyway, but I
still find the extra security useful on ocassion.  With it between bag and
body it is hidden, so even if someone slashes the bag strap and makes a run,
they'll suddenly find the bag is still attached to you after all.  It is
also useful when you sit down for lunch: the bag goes on a vacant chair at
the table and is clipped to the table leg or chair back.  This is no use if
the bag is out of your sight, but in this situation where it is in your view
all the time, the extra security means no one can grab it and make a run for
it: they have to stop and undo something first.

As ever though, vigilance is the real defence, and relying on any physical
clip, strap, lock or cord is actually a problem rather than a help if you
let it reduce your vigilance level.

Peter
Brian - 03 Aug 2006 19:37 GMT
<snip>
.  One thing I've always done is have a carabiner and short length
>of climbing sling in a pocket of my bag.  The sling can go through a loop on
>the bag and any time I feel I want a little extra 'grab protection' the
>'biner gets clipped to my belt.

<snip>  It is
>also useful when you sit down for lunch: the bag goes on a vacant chair at
>the table and is clipped to the table leg or chair back.  

Great - not thought of that although I've used a carabiner and loop to
secure a camera and binoculars to something fixed when sailing.

Brian
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