> > My missus wants a film camera and I have no idea what to get,
>
> Any of the Olympus mju series - superb lens, good metering - what more
> do you want?
Agreed.I have the MJU2 with 35mm lens and the zoom 80 with 35-80
lens.Both good, the MJU2 is smaller though, and far easier to
carry.Around £50 new, £25-35 on ebay for either.
> Do beware however that film is getting hard to find. Agfa have gone to
> the wall as have Ilford for a second time, Kodak are stopping making
> some types of film. The only thing likely to remain soon will be Fuji.
I've got to disagree with this.35mm film is still available virtually
everywhere - a corner shop near me sells it.Admittedly there is less
choice in High St. stores, as they seem to only want to sell digi
cameras, but there is still a large range of different films being made,
and still available.
The death of film has been predicted for years, but I cannot see it
going - since around 1980 the lingering death of black and white has
been expected, yet there is still a good range of films,papers and
developers available, maybe not as much choice as in 1980, but the films
of today (Ilford Delta 400 for instance) are far superior to what was
available in 1980.
Agfa have recently gone into administration, but I cannot ever recall
buying any agfa photo product, and it seems there is likely to be a
buyer for many parts of their businesses anyway,whether the film side is
bought is unknown afaik.It wont be a loss to me personally.
Ilford did go into admin last year, but were soon bought out, and have
said they will continue with their range of photo consumables, and will
continue to invest for future develpoments.
Alan.

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harrogate2 - 13 Dec 2005 09:39 GMT
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Just to add to that, agreed Ilford did fail late last year and were
picked up by a management team, but they have gone again in the last
couple of months. They have again been picked up but the new owners
have drastically cut the range - I believe HP5 is a casualty - and
will be producing only about one third of their previous quantities.
As for Agfa, you should try them. I have used their Agfacolor 200 24+3
for years and find it more than acceptable - it doesn't have the
unnatural saturation of some Kodak or the r/g/b appearance (to my
eyes) of Fuji. I ran off three x 36 exp on my F75 in about two hours
on a day trip to Venice last year and it produced some of the best
shots I've ever taken in nearly 40 years of photography. At £5 for
five rolls at Asda it takes some beating.
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>> My missus wants a film camera and I have no idea what to get, I would
>> be grateful if someone more familiar with the current market please
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>> Budget under 100 quid, preferably lower (should get something half
>> decent for that no?)
> Any of the Olympus mju series - superb lens, good metering - what more
> do you want?
The mju's have excellent lenses and accurate auto exposure (I use one
myself) but there's no manual setting other than focus lock / exposure
lock, and no readout to even tell you what the exposure or focus setting
is. I find this quite a drawback as the focus can be fooled by things like
water or ice, and without an aperture readout you can't control or even
predict depth of field, you just have to press the shutter and hope for the
best. Unfortunately when I was buying it these issues didn't occur to me,
it was only out in the field that I realised I had no control.
But its streamlined shape does make it very pocketable and I can make good
A3 prints (the 35mm mju2 seems to be as sharp as my prime Pentax lenses,
though somewhat more flare). Sadly mass market d&p doesn't begin to do
justice to the accurate exposure, it was only when I scanned the negs
myself that I realised they were perfectly exposed and didn't really have
the bleached skies etc that I saw on the prints the lab sent me.

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Michael J Davis - 14 Dec 2005 15:25 GMT
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>myself that I realised they were perfectly exposed and didn't really have
>the bleached skies etc that I saw on the prints the lab sent me.
I agree with that, and don't try to take photos through a window! My
mju2 has a wonderful lens (I have a 24" print, *and* I had to scan it
into the computer first), but the focus is always auto, with the
resultant shutter delay. Other than that it's brill.
Mind you I have hardly used it in the nearly four years since I went
digital.
Mike
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Thank you very much to everyone that answered in this thread, your
suggestions were very helpful and based on that I now have purchased an
Olympus mju 135.
Thanks again all!!
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